Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

[Gardener1850]

I just checked out the website for "preparing a people", they have made it pretty clear that they have nothing to do with Chad Daybell.

https://www.preparingapeople.com/

From the above: "His last speaking engagement was back in February of 2019, in Boise, Idaho" which means those Oct and Nov dates were in 2018.
I should add their statement to the timeline thread as well.

ETA: I added the PAP statement and made note that Chad's PAP speaking dates are likely 2018: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

 

[Laughing]

Ewww. I hope that Heaven isn’t the “home with a lot of light” that Julie Rowe was referring to.

Preferable to some of the alternatives -- wonder if this, ah, religious group maybe does some Scientology-style 're-training?'

Where are Tylee & Josh???

 

[fred&edna]

Thanks for pointing those event flyers out. I added them to the Timeline thread but I wanted to note that we can't tell from 3 of the flyers what year those events happened as they only have month and day on them. One flyer on that page has Sept 2018 on it so I think those appearances all might have been in 2018. MOO.

Yes, could be those dates are in 2018. Thank you, G1850!

ETA: Many apologies to all... I used my scanner and talked to my gnomes (I mean angels) behind the curtain (I mean veil) and they said I'm old and thus provided me with OLD info. Seriously... tho.... I'm sorry if I lead anyone astray!

 

[Gardener1850]

From the above: "His last speaking engagement was back in February of 2019, in Boise, Idaho" which means those Oct and Nov dates were in 2018.
I should add their statement to the timeline thread as well.

ETA: I added the PAP statement and made note that Chad's PAP speaking dates are likely 2018: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

All of this along with Lori going AWOL in Feb/Mar 2019 makes me wonder what happened in Feb 2019. Did Chad say something at that event that was too "out there" for them and the PAP people stopped inviting him as a speaker? Or did he cut ties with them, maybe to get closer to Lori? Would the PAP people have quietly cut Chad and Lori off from their org if they found out their two speakers (both married to other people at that time) had been having an affair with each other?

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

All of this along with Lori going AWOL in Feb/Mar 2019 makes me wonder what happened in Feb 2019. Did Chad say something at that event that was too "out there" for them and the PAP people stopped inviting him as a speaker? Or did he cut ties with them, maybe to get closer to Lori? Would the PAP people have quietly cut Chad and Lori off from their org if they found out their two speakers (then both married to other people) had been having an affair with each other?

MOO

I believe the Daily Mail story that stated the LDS church was investigating Daybell, his claims of being a prophet, and that he was excommunicated.


Man on the run with new wife was kicked out of the Mormon church for declaring himself a prophet | Daily Mail Online
That is probably why PAP, dropped him like a hot potato.

 

[afitzy]

Another DM article with pictures of many of the people involved with the case to make it easier to put a name and a face together.

Family of missing children say mother Lori Vallow 'joined cult' | Daily Mail Online

DM timeline of the disappearance of 2 children:

Timeline of Joshua and Tylee's disappearance
July 11: Lori Vallow's husband, Charles Vallow, killed in self-defense by her brother, Alex Cox, in Arizona following an argument between the three people

August: The last time Joshua's grandparents, Kay and Larry Woodcock, said they saw the boy via FaceTime

August: September: Lori moved children Joshua and Tylee to Rexburg, Idaho

September 23: The last time Joshua was seen at his school in Idaho

October: Activity found on a Venmo account that may belong to Tylee

October 19: Chad Daybell's wife, Tammy Daybell, dies at their home in Rexburg. Officials rule her death to be of natural causes

October 22: Tammy is buried in Springville, Utah

Late October: Lori and Chad get married

November 26: Out-of-state relatives ask Idaho police to perform a welfare check on Joshua. Lori and Chad claim he is in Arizona with a family friend. Police also learn Tylee has not been seen since September, either

November 27: Police execute a search warrant at Lori and Chad's home, discovering the couple have fled the city

December 11: Tammy Daybell's body is exhumed from the Utah cemetary

December 12: Lori's brother, Alex Cox, believed to have died in Arizona

 

[fred&edna]

Is there a way to (easily) link to cached versions of a website?

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I just checked out the website for "preparing a people", they have made it pretty clear that they have nothing to do with Chad Daybell.

https://www.preparingapeople.com/

Yeaaaah, that's what they all say. I now summon Charles Schultz of Hogan Hero's fame: "I knooow NOTHIN'K!" Yeah, they know a lot. Interview them.

 

[fred&edna]

I'll be sitting in the corner - very quietly - for awhile

 

[BigAl16]

Would the PAP people have quietly cut Chad and Lori off from their org if they found out their two speakers (both married to other people at that time) had been having an affair with each other?

MOO

Given their LDS background and aim to appeal to that demographic, I think this theory could be true. Don't know that it is, but it is a credible possibility. MOO.

 

[afitzy]

For those that watched the GH interview here is a FOX10 TV video of the 2 family members interviewed regarding JJ.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=626373584769486

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Given their LDS background and aim to appeal to that demographic, I think this theory could be true. Don't know that it is, but it is a credible possibility. MOO.

This will all come out in the upcoming, best selling book: "Prepping Properly for a Beautious PayDay, aka Drop yer Life Anchors" by John Krakauer

 

[BigAl16]

Late October: Lori and Chad get married

A nitpick, but this should probably say "Late October or very early November." It's been vaguely described as "a couple of weeks after Tammy died" which literally and exactly a couple weeks would be two weeks and November 2nd, but from a practical standpoint could be 10 days or 3 weeks. That's assuming they really did get married which I lean toward actually happening even though no one has been able to prove it yet.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I'll be sitting in the corner - very quietly - for awhile

HAve you tried copy / pasting the URL right into the text box?

 

[afitzy]

Here is Chad 'official website' for those interested:

cdaybell.com | The Official Website for Chad Daybell

Here is Spring Creek Books website - Publishing Company owned by Chad:
Spring Creek Book Company

 

[fred&edna]

HAve you tried copy / pasting the URL right into the text box?

Yes. But, honestly... not worth posting. It's all good. Thank you

 

[SuperTmo]

Visibility of the missing people at almost any stage of the investigation can be of great value to LE.

Other states have been a bit more flexible in their use of Amber and also have other alert options (Silver etc.) and don't always treat the criteria in a sequential order as you suggest. The analysis undertaken by LE in Rexburg ID PD was quite literal and so no alert was issued. The only thing that seemed to get visibility for the fact that 2 children were missing was social media and not LE unfortunately.

But, look at the tragedy of what is now being faced due in part of the lack of visibility this case received from Rexburg PD! Not only were the 2 children not reported missing for 2 months (still don't understand how families as large as the groups involved with this case allowed this to happen) but then Rexburg PD appeared to do little other than putting the missing information on their social media pages. Eventually the AZ and TX families became involved and activated social media as to the fact that the 2 children had been missing for 2 months. At some point the FBI became involved but its not clear whether its just random SLC field office people being 'consulted' or whether there is a full scale deployment of FBI and the CARD Team as we have seen be so effective in other cases. I'm not even sure if we know who has primary accountability for finding the 2 missing children given the multiple states involved in the search? IS THE FBI THE PRIMARY AGENCY RESPONSIBLE OR NOT?

I am absolutely stuck on the fact that not one person in Rexburg ID either at a school or a friend of any of the parties involved had the courage to contact LE. Not one. I'm not sure what this says about the local community which is over 90% LDS either but I believe its quite shocking. But, its what we are dealing with in this case sadly. Are children simply treated as possessions of their parents and placed in and out of school and nobody questions what is happening around them? It seems like people stay in their own lane and close their eyes to what goes on in other families unfortunately.

Are Rexburg ID PD powerless against Parents such as Lori and Chad who remove minor children (possibly against their will) to places unknown and take them out of school for long periods of time? Is there no accountability required for parents of minor children in ID and UT? ID seems to have the most lax home schooling laws in the US but does this mean that parents can simply 'disappear' their minor children with no accountability? As others have suggested, we don't even know if Tylee at 17 yo was married to some cult member to offer her shelter during this period and whether this might have been done against her will too!

Rexburg PD according to MSM allegedly knew that the 2 children were NOT with Lori and Chad at the time these 2 hit the road and entered hiding. Lori as the legal guardian I do believe has legal responsibility for the children, yet she isn't being held to account so far as we can see by LE.

The reason I'm arguing for creative use of ANY alert system is that the children could be anywhere but most likely have been seen by someone during their travels. The geographic search region is huge and there is no way for LE to get the photos out across such a huge region absent some kind of alert IMO.

We don't even know if BOLOs were issued for any of the Lori or Chad vehicles over the past 2 months or if any warrants have been obtained for Lori and Chad or related family members that might have information? The Rexburg PD website has a vague reference to a possible car being driven by Chad I believe but yet has zero license plate information.

Assuming the 2 children are alive (I think this is sadly highly doubtful at this point) then connecting the dots between some of the players and family involved in this case, you have a search area that ranges from Kansas (location of Julie Rowe and some key LDS historical sites), TX (family locations), AZ (family locations), ID (family locations and LDS sites), and possibly UT.

There have been theories floated that the 2 children are with family of Lori. So, where are these people and are they speaking to LE and assisting the investigation or are they like Chads extended family hiding behind lawyers?

If the children are alive then its likely they are being sheltered by family or 'cult' members. It now appears unlikely any of these people will cooperate with LE IMO. It just seems like the only hope to finding the children alive would be someone not affiliated with the situation making a call to LE that they have seen the 2 children. But, given the huge possible search area its unlikely that people even know these 2 children are missing.

Given that Rexburg PD seems to be on 'vacation' until after Christmas then who is running this investigation and why have we not seen a Press Conference from ID or AZ State Police or even the FBI? So far as I can tell more is happening on social media to track what is going on here rather than with LE and this is concerning, if true.

I've seen many missing cases but never one like this. Who is the primary LE spokesperson for this case? What responsibility is the State of ID State Police taking for the overall situation? Where is the FBI Spokesperson for this case that so far as I can tell based on sketchy information potentially touches 5 very large States?

MOO

You may not like it but it isn’t a case that qualified. We don’t make the rules, and primarily the biggest one is the belief that there was an abduction. Nobody believes that was the case. They don’t even know what state these kids could be in. What good would an Amber Alert do 2-3 months later? Literally all it would say is look for two blonde kids matching their height and weight. With no suspect and no vehicle, the risk is every pair of blonde kids being called in to LE which is a waste of resources.

As for the rest: the school and the community aren’t to blame. LE believes the mother withdrew the boy to home school, which is her right. If you’d take the time to read the posts you’ll see that there aren’t any requirements for home school. The family didn’t live there long so Tylee probably didn’t have time to make many friends. Shoot... even Tylee’s “good friends” back in Arizona did not give any concern over her no longer communicate. It is not anyone’s fault but Lori’s that her kids are gone.

 

[b2alicia]

This post is me catching up with a day's worth of questions, so bear with me on formatting and volume...



Maybe my grandparents were told about this situation (Tammy's parents are usually told a lot about what's happening with all the extended family), but I know for sure no one in my family was ever told about Tammy being held at gunpoint. That's troublesome information to hear.



It is concerning to see how much seems to have been dropped by local law enforcement. I can vouch for Tammy's case that while the family thought it weird that we were all told "Tammy's death must have been natural so we won't do an autopsy", we all decided it was ultimately up to Chad. Boy I wish someone had thought about it a little more...



I'm of the impression that the Daybells cut contact with us at Chad's request, there's talk that he's been telling them we betrayed their family, but I'm not too sure on this.



Chad seemed to be hit hard by grief, or at least that's the impression I got as I was grieving myself and only saw him at the funeral/viewings.



I don't know. I don't think he or Tammy were too big on vacationing, but I wouldn't rule it out for Chad.



Chad and Lori had a line of communication with law enforcement for about a day after the search warrant was executed, but they were uncooperative and kept giving provably false information. I think they kept saying the kids were somewhere new, and when LE would call that place to follow up it would be shown to be another lie.



I don't know exactly, but it was most definitely a 2-way conversation for a bit because I know that one aunt in particular expressed displeasure at what he told them. It could have been Facebook Messenger, or it could have been a phonecall. Regarding current communication: We hardly get bits and pieces from one of his kids. I doubt we hear everything from this source, and it also steps through about 5 people before it gets through the information chain to me. The Daybells skipped visiting family for Christmas this year after they found out they fed us lies from Chad, because they felt guilty. That's what I heard, at least. So I'd be surprised if they are lying about having contact with him.



I am Tammy's nephew, and Chad's (former?) nephew-in-law. Tammy is my dad's sister.



As mentioned above I had no idea this took place. There's no telling if they contacted police or even any of the family. That would be something LE would have to figure out.



On the Douglas side of things, we were told Tammy died and that it was suspected to be of natural causes. Chad used that as justification to not do an autopsy, which while surprising to the family, we decided to accept.

Thank you so much for sharing your point of view with us. I can't imagine how hard this has been on you or your family. Please know that you can vent here all you like.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

*modsnip*

OK! So there has been some confusion over the custody battle of Joe Ryan / Lori irt Tylee... some thought he had won custody, but then GH said no... HOWEVER seems the reason they moved to Hawaii was to get Joe out of their hair irt Tylee. Which makes it really suspicious, irt Joe's unknown reason death. Then of course Charles / Lori were into a custody issue of JJ which resulted in Charles getting killed by Alex. Once Joe and Charles were dead, not only was there no custody issue, there was almost no other oversight of the kids, besides perhaps Larry and Kay who may well have instigated the police wellness check. Colby was getting monthly money from Tylee on Venmo and that continued ONCE after Tylee disappeared. The fact Tylee's Jeep was used on an assassination attempt on Brandon B. (likely driven by Alex) also a nice clue to it all.

The fact Tylee no longer has her Jeep, likely a loved possession, is a pretty bad sign.

 

[fred&edna]

Oh, what the heck...

The first podcast in this cached page shows Preparing a People podcast Sep 16 2019 with Chad Daybell. They pulled the podcast so you can't listen but it was there.

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