Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #3

[Angleterre]

One possibility would be that something in Chad's behavior made someone close to him (family or close friend of Chad and/or Tammy maybe) think there might be something more there. I could see the quick marriage being the reason or part of the reason for someone's concern. MOO

Or could the quick marriage be to do with the compelability laws???
So that they cannot be compelled to give evidence against each other?

 

[Jethro4WS]

In light of your belief the kids are alive, what's your opinion of why they are being hidden? I hope you're right. JMO

Well, the attorney for Chad and Lori pretty much sums it up - that they believe there is some action in play to take the children away from Lori and/or the investigations into the various deaths could result in charges and a conviction that would take Lori from them. I believe rather strongly that Lori does not want either child with Vallow or Ryan family members.

There have been a handful of cases involving missing Mormon children here at WS that involved either an actual custody dispute - especially loss of custody - or the potential of loss of custody and in every one I worked on there was at least several (up to more than two dozen) people that helped to hide the children from the courts, law enforcement, CPS, etc.

Lori has managed to get through more than two decades with children and not harm them so I do not believe that harm would suddenly manifest itself. It is entirely possible but I don't believe it to be the case here.

 

[Angleterre]

Well, the attorney for Chad and Lori pretty much sums it up - that they believe there is some action in play to take the children away from Lori and/or the investigations into the various deaths could result in charges and a conviction that would take Lori from them. I believe rather strongly that Lori does not want either child with Vallow or Ryan family members.

There have been a handful of cases involving missing Mormon children here at WS that involved either an actual custody dispute - especially loss of custody - or the potential of loss of custody and in every one I worked on there was at least several (up to more than two dozen) people that helped to hide the children from the courts, law enforcement, CPS, etc.

Lori has managed to get through more than two decades with children and not harm them so I do not believe that harm would suddenly manifest itself. It is entirely possible but I don't believe it to be the case here.

I sincerely hope that you are right however one caveat to that is that she may have got through two decades without harming the children however those two decades were not in the presence of Chad and who is to say that since she got with Chad
, she hasn’t been brainwashed into nefarious activity where the children are concerned ?

 

[BigAl16]

Or could the quick marriage be to do with the compelability laws???
So that they cannot be compelled to give evidence against each other?

What I was saying was the quick marriage caused concern or more attention to Tammy's death. Totally different question and answer than why the quick marriage.

The theory that the quick marriage was so they couldn't be compelled to testify against each other might be. But if so it would only make sense if they are clueless as to how that particular law works since it only applies to conversations between the couple that are confidential and only during the period that they are married. Every reason for why they might want this protection that I can see would have to be for something that happened prior to the marriage.

MOO

 

[BigAl16]

Well, the attorney for Chad and Lori pretty much sums it up - that they believe there is some action in play to take the children away from Lori and/or the investigations into the various deaths could result in charges and a conviction that would take Lori from them. I believe rather strongly that Lori does not want either child with Vallow or Ryan family members.

There have been a handful of cases involving missing Mormon children here at WS that involved either an actual custody dispute - especially loss of custody - or the potential of loss of custody and in every one I worked on there was at least several (up to more than two dozen) people that helped to hide the children from the courts, law enforcement, CPS, etc.

Lori has managed to get through more than two decades with children and not harm them so I do not believe that harm would suddenly manifest itself. It is entirely possible but I don't believe it to be the case here.

WS?

 

[Angleterre]

What I was saying was the quick marriage caused concern or more attention to Tammy's death. Totally different question and answer than why the quick marriage.

The theory that the quick marriage was to they couldn't be compelled to testify against each other might be. But if so it would only make sense if they are clueless as to how that particular law works since it only applies to conversations between the couple that are confidential and only during the period that they are married. Every reason for why they might want this protection that I can see would have to be for something that happened prior to the marriage.

In that case then your compelability laws in USA work slightly differently to the UK so I will recind that train of thought

 

[Jethro4WS]

WS?

WS = WebSleuths.

 

[PJFL]

WS?

Websleuths.

 

[Redvines86]

We don't have any idea who Lori has harmed or hasn't harmed. Also, more times than we can ever count where someone harms, or more, a child, and it's the first time that person has done it. She now has motives to get rid of the children she didn't have before. She also know there is no custody battle. She isn't in one.

 

[BigAl16]

WS = WebSleuths.

Well I feel a bit slow now.

Thanks for your patience with the newbie.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I sincerely hope that you are right however one caveat to that is that she may have got through two decades without harming the children however those two decades were not in the presence of Chad and who is to say that since she got with Chad
, she hasn’t been brainwashed into nefarious activity where the children are concerned ?

In my opinion Lori is driving the bus here. Chad is likely a bit full of himself and is having a mid-life crisis and Lori is the fuel to keep that fire burning but I think, like Lori's prior husbands, that Chad is just along for the ride.

 

[Angleterre]

Well I feel a bit slow now.

Thanks for your patience with the newbie.

We have all been there - Any abbreviations that are used and you don’t understand, then like you did just now, ask , because I’m sure at some time or another, we have all had to either consult the appendix of WS abbreviation terminology on here or we have had to ask! Good to have you here with us sharing your train of thought and posing excellent questions and alternative points...

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I believe you can link if her account. I’ve seen a couple that are her and a friend but not on her page alone and I decided not to link.

I found Tylee in a couple of YouTube videos... just did a search for "tyleearyan" on YouTube, and a couple of videos popped up, with extra details in the description of the videos.

 

[tresir2012]

Well, the attorney for Chad and Lori pretty much sums it up - that they believe there is some action in play to take the children away from Lori and/or the investigations into the various deaths could result in charges and a conviction that would take Lori from them. I believe rather strongly that Lori does not want either child with Vallow or Ryan family members.

There have been a handful of cases involving missing Mormon children here at WS that involved either an actual custody dispute - especially loss of custody - or the potential of loss of custody and in every one I worked on there was at least several (up to more than two dozen) people that helped to hide the children from the courts, law enforcement, CPS, etc.

Lori has managed to get through more than two decades with children and not harm them so I do not believe that harm would suddenly manifest itself. It is entirely possible but I don't believe it to be the case here.

I hope you are right about that. So do you believe the four deaths are at all suspicious? And if not or if so, why?

 

[Angleterre]

In my opinion Lori is driving the bus here. Chad is likely a bit full of himself and is having a mid-life crisis and Lori is the fuel to keep that fire burning but I think, like Lori's prior husbands, that Chad is just along for the ride.

You are quite possibly right in your assertion and until we are furnished with more information then who knows? It’s certainly one of , if not the most perplexing threads that I have ever come across here on WS

 

[jjenny]

Well, the attorney for Chad and Lori pretty much sums it up - that they believe there is some action in play to take the children away from Lori and/or the investigations into the various deaths could result in charges and a conviction that would take Lori from them. I believe rather strongly that Lori does not want either child with Vallow or Ryan family members.

There have been a handful of cases involving missing Mormon children here at WS that involved either an actual custody dispute - especially loss of custody - or the potential of loss of custody and in every one I worked on there was at least several (up to more than two dozen) people that helped to hide the children from the courts, law enforcement, CPS, etc.

Lori has managed to get through more than two decades with children and not harm them so I do not believe that harm would suddenly manifest itself. It is entirely possible but I don't believe it to be the case here.

Police already came out and stated very clearly that three WAS NO ACTIVE custody battle in this case.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Bringing forward a post I made last week with every SM account I could find for Tylee:

Facebook: Tylee Ryan
Last active 2017

Instagram: Tylee Ryan (@tyleearyan) • Instagram photos and videos
Private, last public comment I could find 03/18

Snapchat: @tyleeryan
Private

Roblox: Profile - Roblox
Last active 2018?

Venmo: @tyleearyan
Last active 10/19

Twitter: www.twitter.com/tyleearyan
Last active 2016

Pinterest Tylee Ryan (Tyleearyan) on Pinterest
Last active 3 years ago

Adding this Instagram as well.
@tylee.photography • Instagram photos and videos
Last post or comment June 18, 2016

 

[Jethro4WS]

We don't have any idea who Lori has harmed or hasn't harmed. Also, more times than we can ever count where someone harms, or more, a child, and it's the first time that person has done it. She now has motives to get rid of the children she didn't have before. She also know there is no custody battle. She isn't in one.

It is what she believes or what she needs others to believe, rather than what is true, that is important. Unless and until you can convince Lori, or those that believe her, that this is not about custody nothing will change. Law enforcement stating that it is not the case is not enough. There being no cases in courts in Arizona, Idaho, or elsewhere is not enough. So long as she keeps insisting that is what is going on that is what her supporters will believe. You would have to prove way beyond a reasonable doubt to her supporters that Lori is not being truthful (which would be very difficult) in order to get anyone who knows the children's whereabouts or her whereabouts to budge. That, or start arresting people for obstruction that can be proven to have lied in order to continue this fiasco. Keep in mind that any actions by law enforcement or other agencies only serve to validate what Lori and/or Chad have been telling the people helping them.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Police already came out and stated very clearly that three WAS NO ACTIVE custody battle in this case.

Doesn't matter. The people helping Lori and Chad will believe Lori and Chad over anyone else no matter how many times or how emphatically law enforcement says otherwise. It is the way it works in cases like this.

 

[renarde]

I believe you can link if her account. I’ve seen a couple that are her and a friend but not on her page alone and I decided not to link.

I didn't want to link or embed the videos of Tylee since she is with a friend in the videos. They seemed to be having lots of fun, but that was in February 2016. Seeing video of Tylee rather than just still photos was helpful though. Her personality really came through.

The missing posters describe Tylee as blonde, but these videos seem to show her as a brunette... I guess both JJ and Tylee may have different hairstyles / color, especially since Lori was a hairdresser at some point.