Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

[LHS]

Here it is linked. It is images of the pages rather than just the document.
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Wow... just wow! How vindictive can you get? Transferring all the rental points, taking all the money, and all the valuables, leaving all the things JJ needs with him, but cancelling Charles' flight, taking his truck, his clothing, and his business computer. It looks to me like she wanted to hurt Charles as much as possible, but also didn't care about JJ Whatsoever!

Can anyone point me to the reference about the service dog being returned?

 

[Redvines86]

Interesting reading about the prepper community in Hawaii. I asked a good LE friend of mine today, where do you think Chad and Lori are? He said, where did they say they are?
I think fake passports aren't as hard to come by as I thought, also interesting research.
MOO of course lol.

 

[BigAl16]

Here it is linked. It is images of the pages rather than just the document.
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

"The parties have emancipated children along with JJ."

This makes no sense, does it? Unless he's referring to children that each parent has separate from the other, as in Charles has an adult son (it appears) who was on one of the AZ news stories in the last day or so. But then that interpretation would be implying that Tylee is emancipated too.

I'm kind of shocked given all of the things documented here that Charles would then back off and try to make a go of it. He's obviously more forgiving than I would ever be. MOO

 

[BigAl16]

Wow... just wow! How vindictive can you get? Transferring all the rental points, taking all the money, and all the valuables, leaving all the things JJ needs with him, but cancelling Charles' flight, taking his truck, his clothing, and his business computer. It looks to me like she wanted to hurt Charles as much as possible, but also didn't care about JJ Whatsoever!

Can anyone point me to the reference about the service dog being returned?

I didn't see it say the service dog was taken or returned, but it does mention that JJ needs the dog. It also said something about taking the dogs collar when he came home to with her throwing roadblocks all the way and discovered she was gone with a lot of stuff. Why mention the collar and not the dog, isn't clear.

 

[Trask]

@Trask
So Charles moved to Houston in March 2019, with JJ? That is when Charles' older son helped with the move? When did Charles (and JJ?) return to Arizona? Charles' older son said he still wishes Charles hadn't gone back. Where was Tylee all that time? Was she staying with her uncle Alex? Was Alex living elsewhere, or in that same home?

Yes, Charles moved to Houston in March with JJ. JJ's grandparents reported that when Lori returned to AZ at the end of March, Charles offered to fly her to Houston to visit JJ on March 31st. Lori refused stating that she had a prior commitment and that she couldn't see JJ for another two weeks. They don't mention where Tylee was during this period.

They also said that although Charles had "moments of clarity," about Lori's actions, he was still in love with her and wanted to reconcile. At the time of the shooting, MSM was reporting that Charles was a Texas resident so while it's speculation on my part, I think the son is referring to going back to Lori as opposed to moving back to AZ.

 

[LHS]

"The parties have emancipated children along with JJ."

This makes no sense, does it? Unless he's referring to children that each parent has separate from the other, as in Charles has an adult son (it appears) who was on one of the AZ news stories in the last day or so. But then that interpretation would be implying that Tylee is emancipated too.

I'm kind of shocked given all of the things documented here that Charles would then back off and try to make a go of it. He's obviously more forgiving than I would ever be. MOO

I think this refers to CR, Lori's older son, and I think she may have an older daughter also... as well as Charles' son that has spoken out on Fox 10 in Phoenix in the last couple days. They would all have been adults (emancipated). What I find odd is how little of Tylee is found in that time frame. She wouldn't be an adult at that time (still isn't), and she isn't Charles' child.... but she is Lori's.

 

[LHS]

I didn't see it say the service dog was taken or returned, but it does mention that JJ needs the dog. It also said something about taking the dogs collar when he came home to with her throwing roadblocks all the way and discovered she was gone with a lot of stuff. Why mention the collar and not the dog, isn't clear.

Yes I know what that particular source said, however, I thought someone said something about the dog being returned and I wasn't sure if that was properly sourced or ended up as rumor.

 

[renarde]

"The parties have emancipated children along with JJ."

This makes no sense, does it? Unless he's referring to children that each parent has separate from the other, as in Charles has an adult son (it appears) who was on one of the AZ news stories in the last day or so. But then that interpretation would be implying that Tylee is emancipated too.

I'm kind of shocked given all of the things documented here that Charles would then back off and try to make a go of it. He's obviously more forgiving than I would ever be. MOO

And still... no real mention of Tylee in that sad narrative. Emancipated?

Where was Tylee when all of this was happening?

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

What is the computer game he made her give up? Is there a link to this bit of info? If so, it really points to a side of Chad (manipulative with his wife) that hasn't been documented yet.

Every time a read something he writes, I am amazed at how conceited, narcissistic, vain, and self-aggrandizing he is. He has been throwing red flags for years, but seemingly had everyone convinced what a nice, humble guy he was. It was all a lie, and he is getting exposed. Moo.

 

[LHS]

And still... no real mention of Tylee in that sad narrative. Emancipated?

Where was Tylee when all of this was happening?

That's also my concern there... it's weird. She wouldn't be emancipated or an adult. But I'm not sure of if/when she graduated/GED'd with schooling and how courts would refer to that.

 

[LHS]

Every time a read something he writes, I am amazed at how conceited, narcissistic, vain, and self-aggrandizing he is. He has been throwing red flags for years, but seemingly had everyone convinced what a nice, humble guy he was. It was all a lie, and he is getting exposed. Moo.

Well not everyone. The one author he published books for and that I am close friends with has said for YEARS now that something is wrong with him. I think thanks to her I never went near any of that.

 

[jjenny]

He writes about it here:
16- Paving the way to Paradise | cdaybell.com

So basically he claimed he talked to Tammy's dead grandma's spirit and grandma wanted Tammy to stop playing the game Tammy liked to play so Tammy could spend her time working on genealogy research. All righty then.

 

[jjenny]

Do we know if Tammy shared any of the unorthodox beliefs with Chad? Presumably she read all his books?

Well apparently he claimed to have talked to spirits (enter dead grandma' s spirit) to make Tammy do or not do things (like playing the game she liked). So I am assuming Tammy believed he had visions and talked to spirits, otherwise she wouldn't have listened.

 

[Friday Fan]

That's also my concern there... it's weird. She wouldn't be emancipated or an adult. But I'm not sure of if/when she graduated/GED'd with schooling and how courts would refer to that.

I don't think her education is a factor. Too many kids go that route these days. I think in AZ, adulthood is 18.

I don't know why Tylee was not mentioned, although she is not a part of this suit.

 

[renarde]

Yes, Charles moved to Houston in March with JJ. JJ's grandparents reported that when Lori returned to AZ at the end of March, Charles offered to fly her to Houston to visit JJ on March 31st. Lori refused stating that she had a prior commitment and that she couldn't see JJ for another two weeks. They don't mention where Tylee was during this period.

They also said that although Charles had "moments of clarity," about Lori's actions, he was still in love with her and wanted to reconcile. At the time of the shooting, MSM was reporting that Charles was a Texas resident so while it's speculation on my part, I think the son is referring to going back to Lori as opposed to moving back to AZ.

@Trask
Thank you, this makes a lot of sense.

Was JJ enrolled in school in the Houston area then (March 2019)?

 

[jjenny]

This "cult" is really odd to me. The players we know about don't seem too interested in dragging their children along with them. They seem more interested in finding various ways to leave them behind.

In my opinion, cults need to grow to survive. And they use children to do that.

Granted, for all we know they fled to an area they've already established ahead of time.

I'm not sure of Melani's status but if you count her, there's a minimum of 11 children plus grandchildren abandoned, missing, or worse.

JMO

You forget they think the end of the world is coming. They might not expect to survive.

 

[KonaHonu]

"The parties have emancipated children along with JJ."

This makes no sense, does it? Unless he's referring to children that each parent has separate from the other, as in Charles has an adult son (it appears) who was on one of the AZ news stories in the last day or so. But then that interpretation would be implying that Tylee is emancipated too.

I keyed into that as well. So it would seem that Tylee wasn't living with them and/or was emancipated (at 16) in Feb 2019. That seems very strange. She seems to have completely disappeared from the picture sometime in 2018.

 

[Trask]

Interesting discussion on FB with Tylee Ryan's aunt.

Can't find it. Can you be more specific?

 

[jjenny]

It sounds like Chad manipulated Tammy and presumably his followers by claiming he talked to dead spirits and these spirits wanted things done or not done. I guess if you believe that sort of thing you don't want to anger a dead spirit.

 

[155etta]

It sounds like Chad manipulated Tammy and presumably his followers by claiming he talked to dead spirits and these spirits wanted things done or not done. I guess if you believe that sort of thing you don't want to anger a dead spirit.

Snort.