Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

[tresir2012]

Entirely O/T but it's the book of Revelation (not plural with an s). Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine. In any case, way back in the thread there were a couple of LDS church members that wondered why the discussion on LDS doctrine was still taking place (as if to connect it somehow with what they've allegedly done?) when it had already been pointed out that Chad and Lori were way out in left field. I agree with those posters.

Moo.

Silly Billy has just clarified it can be discussed. This is what she just said

"In this case, it certainly appears related, and as long as members can tie their specific information to the case at hand, relevant but limited discussion is being allowed within the thread."

 

[jjenny]

Can someone listen to this at 1hr 5min 52 seconds and summarize what they hear? It's like a game of telephone. I believe the family insider is on the Cox side of the family, since Colby is relaying information to them. I guess I had assumed everyone had listened to these Youtube shows.

It sounds like a triple hearsay, but apparently as far as the story goes per the youtube show, Tylee was told to take JJ outside, then heard two gunshots, and then Lori came out and drove JJ to school. The main point being, Tylee was alive and living with Lori and JJ in Arizona when Charles was killed.

 

[Colorado303]

This case is tricky because you have two dynamics at play. Chad and Lori are separate from the kids. There are two separate networks aiding and supporting them and it is very likely these networks are not connected to each other at all with Lori as the only commonality. So, on the one hand you want to make sure that the kids stay in place wherever they are and not be moved again and on the other you want to ramp up pressure on Chad/Lori and/or their network to get them on the move - more mistakes happen that way, i.e. plan A is better than plan B which is better than plan C and so on.

The most recent events - the search yesterday and the court documents about Lori coming out - are meant to pressure both networks. Up until yesterday Lori could be one face to the network involved with the kids and another face to the network helping her and Chad. The media stories need only reach the right people to start disrupting what has kept Chad/Lori "safe".

The thought that the adults and children are being sheltered by different networks is interesting. How would you expect people in each of those networks to feel about television, radio, internet etc. Particularly as related to news (on this case and otherwise).

I can so easily see L/C persuading their network they must stay away from these things because gov’t and LE will use your activity to spy on you (or because the local news anchor is really Satan).

If the group that has the children is more nurturing, live off the land types maybe they aren’t inclined to seek out the news anyway. Do you think that’s likely to be the case?

I understand you can’t say much, but what does your gut say as to whether Tylee and JJ are still alive? And has your opinion changed at all in recent days?

 

[Redvines86]

It sounds like a triple hearsay, but apparently as far as the story goes per the youtube show, Tylee was told to take JJ outside, then heard two gunshots, and then Lori came out and drove JJ to school. The main point being, Tylee was alive and living with Lori and JJ in Arizona when Charles was killed.

Is Lori a good enough liar that she can insert facts and people believe them? Could she tell the police Tylee was there and they believe her because they have no reason not to? I don't know, I just feel like the last day anyone saw Tylee for sure is very unclear. Even Tylee in Idaho, did Lori say something that made it sound like Tylee had been in Idaho?

 

[arizonamomoffour]

Another site, references Alex Cox stun-gunning and breaking Charles Vallow's ribs at an altercation after a custody hearing. Is that true? Said Alex did time for that in jail.

 

[Colorado303]

I believe it came from interview w/one of Charles’ family members earlier this week. Not the first GH interview but possibly the second or third. It may also have been in a MSM article that was reporting family comments. I will try to find it.

Whoever it was said the support pup was being kept by someone somewhere in AZ. When I read that I was relieved because the V family has said there have been other dogs she had Alex let loose in the desert to die.

Wow... just wow! How vindictive can you get? Transferring all the rental points, taking all the money, and all the valuables, leaving all the things JJ needs with him, but cancelling Charles' flight, taking his truck, his clothing, and his business computer. It looks to me like she wanted to hurt Charles as much as possible, but also didn't care about JJ Whatsoever!

Can anyone point me to the reference about the service dog being returned?

 

[KonaHonu]

We know based on a Hawaiian school newsletter (referenced in the official timeline that has been compiled) that Tylee was on the December 2018 high school freshman honor roll, so she did, it appears, complete that semester. However, she does disappear from honor rolls for semesters after that.

This is outlandish, but could it be possible that she never left Hawaii with Lori? Are there any social media records from her varying accounts that show that she was posting from somewhere other than Hawaii or verified sightings of her in the continental US in 2019 (e.g. police report that lists her as a witness to the “self defense” incident)?

Just throwing this out there for some discussion.

I think the honor roll record was December 2016. Do we have any verifiable sighting or evidence of her existence after that. I'm aware of texts and Venmo payments but that just means someone kept up her phone. Her social media activity stopped in late 2016. She changed her Facebook cover photo in March 2017 and was apparently back in Arizona by then. But I have found nothing after that. Coincidentally (?) that would be about the time Lori got involved with the "cult."

 

[Mistree]

Or they flew... which would negate the point of releasing car info.

Still had to have someone take them to the airport.
Rexburg has a super tiny airport and isn’t commercial.
The nearest airport is Idaho Falls and that’s about 20-30 minute drive.

 

[Redvines86]

I think the honor roll record was December 2016. Do we have any verifiable sighting or evidence of her existence after that. I'm aware of texts and Venmo payments but that just means someone kept up her phone. Her social media activity stopped in late 2016. She changed her Facebook cover photo in March 2017 and was apparently back in Arizona by then. But I have found nothing after that. Coincidentally (?) that would be about the time Lori got involved with the "cult."

Exactly, it seems a little like things people are taking as facts actually come from Lori.

 

[LHS]

Still had to have someone take them to the airport.
Rexburg has a super tiny airport and isn’t commercial.
The nearest airport is Idaho Falls and that’s about 20-30 minute drive.

By the time they released the bolo the drive would have been completed. And if the flew, there would be record of it in manifests. It's possible (MOO) that the LE knows where C and V are and how they got there.

 

[tresir2012]

Can someone listen to this at 1hr 5min 52 seconds and summarize what they hear? It's like a game of telephone. I believe the family insider is on the Cox side of the family, since Colby is relaying information to them. I guess I had assumed everyone had listened to these Youtube shows.

GH is saying that Colby said Lori told Tylee to take JJ out to the car and that Tylee heard two shots then Lori came out and drove JJ to school, returned then called 911.

 

[BigAl16]

Another site, references Alex Cox stun-gunning and breaking Charles Vallow's ribs at an altercation after a custody hearing. Is that true? Said Alex did time for that in jail.

I thought that Alex did that to Joseph, not Charles.

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

to say that he only wanted custody vs. he had the ability to ask legally to obtain might be a better way to phrase perhaps?

Tylee's aunt, on social media, stated that she was told Charles spent $600,000 for the various custody actions surrounding Tylee. If true, presumably Joseph would have had the same financial burden. Joseph put up a hell of a fight.

 

[afitzy]

Another site, references Alex Cox stun-gunning and breaking Charles Vallow's ribs at an altercation after a custody hearing. Is that true? Said Alex did time for that in jail.

I don't believe this incident related to Charles but rather to Lori's previous husband (believe its the father of Tylee).

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

I thought that Alex did that to Joseph, not Charles.

He did. Alex broke beat up and broke Joseph's ribs. Charles was the unfortunate recipient of two bullets to the chest.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Exactly, it seems a little like things people are taking as facts actually come from Lori.

I agree. I'm to the point I need to hear "I saw Tylee face to face on or about". Remember the Taylor Rose open case? The people that helped the mother move were told Taylor was in the bathtub/bathroom. They assumed it was true. She was dead and buried in another state for months by then.

 

[Redvines86]

GH is saying that Colby said Lori told Tylee to take JJ out to the car and that Tylee heard two shots then Lori came out and drove JJ to school, returned then called 911.

Exactly. Lori said.

 

[BigAl16]

Still had to have someone take them to the airport.
Rexburg has a super tiny airport and isn’t commercial.
The nearest airport is Idaho Falls and that’s about 20-30 minute drive.

There is also a shuttle service that I'm pretty sure could get them to airports to the south, Idaho Falls and Pocatello are mostly commuter airlines (IF having one budget airline with bigger planes coming in) but the shuttle goes as far south as Salt Lake (the nearest major airport) and I think could maybe get them to Las Vegas (potentially where they wanted to go anyway). This service runs larger vans or smaller buses. I'd thing it possible if they did that then someone might have recognized them when the pictures started hitting the news, but given the limited number who would have seen them, maybe not.

 

[Steelslady]

Another site, references Alex Cox stun-gunning and breaking Charles Vallow's ribs at an altercation after a custody hearing. Is that true? Said Alex did time for that in jail.

It happened outside the court house.

 

[snoflake20]

It sounds like a triple hearsay, but apparently as far as the story goes per the youtube show, Tylee was told to take JJ outside, then heard two gunshots, and then Lori came out and drove JJ to school. The main point being, Tylee was alive and living with Lori and JJ in Arizona when Charles was killed.

But it doesn't say that Tylee was seen by Colby or heard her voice? So it could have been relayed by text only?