Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

[arizonamomoffour]

Travis Cty Texas, has a family court case, Vallow, Lori, regarding Tylee, but with a Petitioner not Joseph Anthony Ryan. Not sure what that was about, year 2010
Online Case Information

The other name listed was the lawyer, Hays

 

[Gardener1850]

While updating the timeline I think I stumbled upon another social media account for Tylee called Prezi.

Project on Linear Functions that she made 16 March 2017: #1:
Project she did on Abraham Lincoln on 2 March 2016: Baltimore Sun

There appears to be another project called "Untitled" that was deleted or made private. I'm not familiar with this app or website so I'm not sure if there is a way to see more of her projects or her profile info.
@diggndeeperstill can the wayback machine be applied to Prezi to see Tylee's other projects?

Anyway, thought I would share-- it doesn't tell us much except that she was probably in school those dates and Tylee is very smart. MOO.

 

[Friday Fan]

Charles Vallow resided in Texas, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if the laws are the same in every state. Of course, he could have written her out of his life insurance. However, I kinda doubt it.

 

[Colorado303]

By the time they released the bolo the drive would have been completed. And if the flew, there would be record of it in manifests. It's possible (MOO) that the LE knows where C and V are and how they got there.

Actually, FAA does not require flight plans if you are flying “VFR” —visual flight rules, or at least they didn’t back when I flew. Flying VFR means you will keep the plane level by looking at the ground and navigate by comparing landmarks on the ground to a flight map. That requires adequate visibility at all times. To fly VFR you must have at least 3 miles visibility and you cannot fly through any clouds.

The alternative is IFR or instrument flight rules. There you may rely on your instruments for some or most of the flight and I believe need to file a flight plan. New pilots first get their VFR license then have more ground school, flight time and another flight test to get their IFR rating,

In order pass your VFR flight test you still have to prove you can navigate, break a stall and achieve straight and narrow flight using only your instruments (they want to know you can escape from clouds should they suddenly form around you). So if visibility was bad (cloudy or night time) a newly certified VFR pilot could still technically fly, just not legally ( or as safely)

Rexburg-Madison is an uncontrolled airport, meaning no there’s no control tower and no air traffic controller. So there’s no record of who takes off, what time they leave, how many passengers are aboard or direction of flight.

 

[Friday Fan]

Apologies if this has been posted, have we seen a picture of Alex?
Was his wife with him when he died?
Where exactly was he when he died? At home?
Work? Etc.
TIA

I saw an annoying video of him. He's very average looking. However, he does annoying impersonations of Looney Tunes characters. He looks a bit like Charles Vallow, but not as muscular. They have another brother who is a DJ and Alex was in the studio. Average build with reddish balding hair. Short facial hair.

 

[NvrEndgStry]

I wouldn't be surprised if the laws are the same in every state. Of course, he could have written her out of his life insurance. However, I kinda doubt it.

I wonder if the reporter Joshua Lum (I believe in Phoenix?) who has been talking with Charles Vallow’s son could get the answer on Lori getting anything from him?

Edit: Justin Lum Fox10 Phoenix (not Joshua)

 

[Gardener1850]

Travis Cty Texas, has a family court case, Vallow, Lori, regarding Tylee, but with a Petitioner not Joseph Anthony Ryan. Not sure what that was about, year 2010
Online Case Information

The petitioner mentioned there is a family law attorney. IMO Joe Ryan most likely hired him to represent him in the custody case for Tylee. MOO.

 

[BigAl16]

Travis Cty Texas, has a family court case, Vallow, Lori, regarding Tylee, but with a Petitioner not Joseph Anthony Ryan. Not sure what that was about, year 2010
Online Case Information

Hmm. Not sure what to make of that, but the petitioner who is not Joe Ryan is a name that if you search Facebook you can find a guy with an account that has the right first and last name on the account, other information available on him indicates the middle initial is also correct, and he lives in Austin (Travis County). It appears that he is an attorney by trade, current a judge in Hays County (includes some Austin suburbs). I notice the case in question shows an attorney name for Lori, but not for the Petitioner. Possibly he was acting as Joe's attorney and it didn't get recorded that way?

Edit: I see immediately afer posting that @gardner1850 already said the same thing and we got to that same conclusion via a different route.

 

[Cookies101]

Wait... Seth (Neighbor) saw Alex and Lori packing up the truck? When did Lori and Chad get back from Hawaii and did Chad move into Lori's house? or did Lori move in with Chad? Could the neigbor have mistaken Melani for Lori or Alex for Chad? Maybe Chad was the friend? Sorry if this confuses everyone. I'm just trying to figure out if the neighbor actually knows who is who in this story, just like the rest of us. MOO

So true!! I’ll add another twist. Could the neighbor have mistaken Melani for Tylee? During early discussions sleuthers thought Lori may have a 3rd daughter....this turned out to be Melani.

 

[BigAl16]

So true!! I’ll add another twist. Could the neighbor have mistaken Melani for Tylee? During early discussions sleuthers thought Lori may have a 3rd daughter....this turned out to be Melani.

That seems less likely though, because he'd met Tylee the one time.

 

[renarde]

Travis Cty Texas, has a family court case, Vallow, Lori, regarding Tylee, but with a Petitioner not Joseph Anthony Ryan. Not sure what that was about, year 2010
Online Case Information

Intervenor? Karl Hays was a family law attorney at the time, I think.

 

[Friday Fan]

So true!! I’ll add another twist. Could the neighbor have mistaken Melani for Tylee? During early discussions sleuthers thought Lori may have a 3rd daughter....this turned out to be Melani.

Should be easy to tell them apart. Hope the right questions were asked. Melani looks like Lori to me. Tylee looks like a teenager.

 

[Friday Fan]

I heard something funny on FB: Someone compared Lori and Chad to an odd couple consisting of Farrah Fawcett and Chris Farley. I just thought it was funny!

(I hope I don't get in trouble for this!)

 

[Zella]

While updating the timeline I think I stumbled upon another social media account for Tylee called Prezi.

Project on Linear Functions that she made 16 March 2017: #1:
Project she did on Abraham Lincoln on 2 March 2016: Baltimore Sun

There appears to be another project called "Untitled" that was deleted or made private. I'm not familiar with this app or website so I'm not sure if there is a way to see more of her projects or her profile info.
@diggndeeperstill can the wayback machine be applied to Prezi to see Tylee's other projects?

Anyway, thought I would share-- it doesn't tell us much except that she was probably in school those dates and Tylee is very smart. MOO.

I've not used Prezi in several years, but I know it's a website that lets you make some pretty cool presentations. Certainly jazzier than PowerPoint. Seems like if she was using it for multiple school projects she was probably the type of student who went above and beyond the requirements.

 

[Colorado303]

Good Lord, how could they not? How could they not know about Alex hitting one of her previous husbands?

I guess the same way they didn’t know evidence had recently been presented to the court indicating Lori said she would kill Charles.

 

[JustAFriend11]

I have always thought that the location of Tylee's Jeep may be a key in trying to figure out what may have happened to her (and possibly JJ). If Tylee's Jeep was involved in the attempted murder of BB in AZ on 10/2 (and apparently authorities have the Jeep), how did it get there?

If Tylee traveled with Lori and JJ in August when they moved from AZ up to Rexburg, did Tylee leave the Jeep with Alex (and ride with Lori and JJ), or did Tylee drive the Jeep herself to Rexburg? I think most 17 yr olds, if moving permanently, would want to bring their car/Jeep with them.

IF Tylee took the Jeep to Rexburg, then how did it get back to AZ before 10/2? IF Tylee was seen by Seth in Rexburg, and IF the Jeep was in AZ on 10/2, then sometime between 9/23 and 10/2 somebody drove the Jeep back down to AZ. Was that person Tylee (possibly with JJ as a passenger)? Was that person Lori (possibly with Tylee as passenger - or with Tylee and JJ as passengers)?

It seems unlikely that the driver was Lori, but it could have been. Was Lori seen in Rexburg in late Sept? Was she even seen in Rexburg between late Sept through, say, early Nov., prior to her wedding to Chad?

If Tylee (with possibly JJ) - or Lori (with possibly Tylee and JJ) - drove the Jeep back to Alex's house in AZ (with maybe Tylee and JJ believing that at least one reason for the trip was to drop JJ at either a friend's house or at his grandparents?), it possibly means that whatever may have happened to Tylee and JJ possibly happened in AZ, and more specifically, happened near Alex's.

IF something lke this occurred, and (for argument's sake, let's say Lori returned by herself to Rexburg), did Alex possibly drive her back up (in October, or at least sometime before the Jeep was confiscated)? Did Lori possibly fly back up?

Seems LE could check for possible video evidence of the possible trip (s), Jeep GPS, flight reservations/passenger lists, etc., to try to determine just how the Jeep ended up (or never left) AZ. Just saying that maybe Rexburg isn't the only place to be searching for the kids

My opinion is Lori sent Alex with the kids to kill them and then go kill Brandon. Then they all got married (isnt there some protection in court about testifying against your spouse?) Then, as they possibly felt more heat, Lori had Alex killed (or brainwashed him into suicide) as he was the only witness left that could incriminate her. Also, now she can claim Alex killed the kids and it can't be disputed. I really hope that's not the case, but that's where im leaning

 

[snoflake20]

Relative of missing children believes attempt on his life is connected to a religious group New video segment on the case from Justin Lum

In late November, marriage records in Clark County, Nevada show Melani re-married.

Court documents also say Brandon has been told by investigators not to reveal the names of the shooting suspect or suspects. He does believe the attempt on his life, the disappearance of Joshua and Tylee, as well as Charles Vallow's death, are all connected.

 

[afitzy]

I have always thought that the location of Tylee's Jeep may be a key in trying to figure out what may have happened to her (and possibly JJ). If Tylee's Jeep was involved in the attempted murder of BB in AZ on 10/2 (and apparently authorities have the Jeep), how did it get there?

If Tylee traveled with Lori and JJ in August when they moved from AZ up to Rexburg, did Tylee leave the Jeep with Alex (and ride with Lori and JJ), or did Tylee drive the Jeep herself to Rexburg? I think most 17 yr olds, if moving permanently, would want to bring their car/Jeep with them.

IF Tylee took the Jeep to Rexburg, then how did it get back to AZ before 10/2? IF Tylee was seen by Seth in Rexburg, and IF the Jeep was in AZ on 10/2, then sometime between 9/23 and 10/2 somebody drove the Jeep back down to AZ. Was that person Tylee (possibly with JJ as a passenger)? Was that person Lori (possibly with Tylee as passenger - or with Tylee and JJ as passengers)?

It seems unlikely that the driver was Lori, but it could have been. Was Lori seen in Rexburg in late Sept? Was she even seen in Rexburg between late Sept through, say, early Nov., prior to her wedding to Chad?

If Tylee (with possibly JJ) - or Lori (with possibly Tylee and JJ) - drove the Jeep back to Alex's house in AZ (with maybe Tylee and JJ believing that at least one reason for the trip was to drop JJ at either a friend's house or at his grandparents?), it possibly means that whatever may have happened to Tylee and JJ possibly happened in AZ, and more specifically, happened near Alex's.

IF something lke this occurred, and (for argument's sake, let's say Lori returned by herself to Rexburg), did Alex possibly drive her back up (in October, or at least sometime before the Jeep was confiscated)? Did Lori possibly fly back up?

Seems LE could check for possible video evidence of the possible trip (s), Jeep GPS, flight reservations/passenger lists, etc., to try to determine just how the Jeep ended up (or never left) AZ. Just saying that maybe Rexburg isn't the only place to be searching for the kids

Interesting thoughts about the Jeep and its possible movements with a variety of different people inside!

I do very much wonder if it was Lori or Alex driving the Jeep back and forth possibly between AZ and ID that the 2 children could have been placed with someone for safekeeping or tragically killed and hidden? Or, could the Jeep have also been used to transport the 2 missing children to Lori's parents or extended family as many have speculated? Getting CCTV so far after the fact makes tracking the Jeep difficult but as others have said, perhaps the Jeep has GPS information that could assist LE.

As Kay Woodcock (Charles sister) explained to GH, Charles paid for many things for a number of people in Lori's family (phones, cars, rent, bills etc.). We learned this past week that the Jeep was used by Tylee but in fact was owned by Charles. Its interesting as Charles died 7/11/19 and this Jeep was still driving around and hadn't been retitled so far as we know as of the 10-11/19 period by Lori. Retitling a vehicle usually in an estate situation isn't that hard depending on how the title was done originally or if there was a beneficiary named etc. But, it seems like none of this was done. Has me wondering what other assets (cars, phones, real estate etc.) possibly owned by Charles still might in use by Lori and her entire extended family? Who was the executor of Charles estate? We know from the Gray Hughes podcast interview with Kay Woodcook that she was helping Charles with his financial affairs when Lori abandoned the family. So, perhaps Kay has undertaken some kind of complete review of Charles' bills and assets to figure out what Lori might have had access to and might still be using but in the name of Charles.

What I found interesting in the Charles divorce document posted by Phoenix 10 today was that Lori seemed to be a signatory on Charles business account and the reference was made in the document that Lori might have been part owner in that business. The reference was a bit vague in the document IMO but Charles at one time did trust Lori with money etc. Given that the Jeep wasn't retitled after Charles' death, it leads me to wonder if the business had other assets or accounts or car leases etc. that could be used by Lori after Charles' death and still be in use today. I'm sure LE is all over this and has no doubt figured it out, but I hope that the family (Kay Woodcock etc.) are on top of this issue as well as my guess is that Lori knew where all of Charles' money and assets was and she seems to have no hesitation about using them even after Charles' death.
MOO

 

[renarde]

Hmm. Not sure what to make of that, but the petitioner who is not Joe Ryan is a name that if you search Facebook you can find a guy with an account that has the right first and last name on the account, other information available on him indicates the middle initial is also correct, and he lives in Austin (Travis County). It appears that he is an attorney by trade, current a judge in Hays County (includes some Austin suburbs). I notice the case in question shows an attorney name for Lori, but not for the Petitioner. Possibly he was acting as Joe's attorney and it didn't get recorded that way?

Edit: I see immediately afer posting that @gardner1850 already said the same thing and we got to that same conclusion via a different route.

Karl Hays is an associate judge (family court) in Hays County these days, which is also where Lori and Joseph owned a home before they split up.

He was just a part of that lengthy custody battle. That custody battle went on forever, and must've cost a lot of money.

 

[JustAFriend11]

My opinion is Lori sent Alex with the kids to kill them and then go kill Brandon. Then they all got married (isnt there some protection in court about testifying against your spouse?) Then, as they possibly felt more heat, Lori had Alex killed (or brainwashed him into suicide) as he was the only witness left that could incriminate her. Also, now she can claim Alex killed the kids and it can't be disputed. I really hope that's not the case, but that's where im leaning

Does this mean none of their communications can be used in court as testimony?

Can Spouses Be Forced to Testify Against One Another?

 

[afitzy]

Travis Cty Texas, has a family court case, Vallow, Lori, regarding Tylee, but with a Petitioner not Joseph Anthony Ryan. Not sure what that was about, year 2010
Online Case Information

Does anyone understand this case? This second party named here is not a name we have yet seen in this case (Karl E. Hays). What is the connection of this person to Tylee?