Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

[afitzy]

When Julie Rowe was excommunicated, she was very vocal about it, as I remember. If Chad has been a part of wicked things, as I believe he has, then as this all comes out and is resolved then of course he will be if he hasn't already. I absolutely don't think the church is supporting Chad's current behavior, lol. I think it's pretty obvious to all of us that Chad's ever being able to return to a normal life and Chad and Lori ever being nursery leaders in some LDS ward somewhere in the future is absolutely never ever happening. Life moving forward for them will be pretty rough however things turn out.

Yes, I get what you are saying about Chad and Lori not being able to go back to Chad's ward, but it does seem strange that Chad hadn't attended his local church since the death of Tammy as prior to this the poster said that he was attending regularly.

But it also appears that no Elder or other senior member from the LDS ward where Chad attended has spoken out either. No general statement that I can find expressing concern about the 2 missing children etc. Its almost as if the church is choosing silence deliberately as a simple statement about the welfare of the children might even help the situation? IDK, its disappointing IMO to not see more deliberate statements by the Church in the face of the statements made by LE as to what Lori and Chad have actually said. Perhaps the Church doesn't view it as their role? But, if the perception is that the Chad belief system is not in alignment with mainstream LDS, then I'm not sure what the Church might be waiting for before speaking out?

All this regarding Chad and Lori status with the LDS Church might not be important. But, I do think LDS members might be looking for direction on how to proceed and it would be awful if people might think its ok to shelter or offer assistance to Chad and Lori during this time of uncertainty as to the status of JJ and Tylee IMO. Rexburg is 90% LDS and its likely that places Chad and Lori might go are similarly LDS focused. People care what the Church thinks IMO and to the extent that there is a lack of clarity, I'm not sure that is a good thing in terms of getting information on the 2 missing children.

MOO

 

[Redvines86]

I can't speak for the LDS church, but I can tell you this much- most churches would not give out any information about their members or non-members, ever. Not to the media, LE, lawyers. Minsters , rabbis, priests, etc are told things in confidence like psychiatrists and protect their members confidentiality, even if their tales are booted from the church.

I've never seen one church in any denomination give out any information about the status of their members, whether they are still in touch or not. I honestly don't think that LDS is any different than any other church in this respect.

Anyhow, not related to your question, but here is an article to which explains the
Application and Limitations of the Clergy Privilege

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/application-and-limitations-of-the-clergy-privilege-40305

I believe this is why we're not hearing from the LDS church discussing their membership status.

Exactly, perfectly said.

 

[Redvines86]

Yes, I get what you are saying about Chad and Lori not being able to go back to Chad's ward, but it does seem strange that Chad hadn't attended his local church since the death of Tammy as prior to this the poster said that he was attending regularly.

But it also appears that no Elder or other senior member from the LDS ward where Chad attended has spoken out either. No general statement that I can find expressing concern about the 2 missing children etc. Its almost as if the church is choosing silence deliberately as a simple statement about the welfare of the children might even help the situation? IDK, its disappointing IMO to not see more deliberate statements by the Church in the face of the statements made by LE as to what Lori and Chad have actually said. Perhaps the Church doesn't view it as their role? But, if the perception is that the Chad belief system is not in alignment with mainstream LDS, then I'm not sure what the Church might be waiting for before speaking out?

All this regarding Chad and Lori status with the LDS Church might not be important. But, I do think LDS members might be looking for direction on how to proceed and it would be awful if people might think its ok to shelter or offer assistance to Chad and Lori during this time of uncertainty as to the status of JJ and Tylee IMO. Rexburg is 90% LDS and its likely that places Chad and Lori might go are similarly LDS focused. People care what the Church thinks IMO and to the extent that there is a lack of clarity, I'm not sure that is a good thing in terms of getting information on the 2 missing children.

MOO

As an LDS person, I do not need the LDS church to tell me not to engage in illegal activity, I and the people that I know can most certainly figure that out for ourselves. Chad and Lori are in a fringe group, if they're getting help it's from those people. Everyone I know has been able to figure out for themselves that some very weird stuff is going on without the Church needing to make a formal statement. MOO

 

[BigAl16]

I can't speak for the LDS church, but I can tell you this much- most churches would not give out any information about their members or non-members, ever. Not to the media, LE, lawyers. Minsters , rabbis, priests, etc are told things in confidence like psychiatrists and protect their members confidentiality, even if their tales are booted from the church.

All good points. While I'm not a fan of the LDS church, I don't think they're out of line in keeping quiet about this. Airing one of their members dirty laundry in public wouldn't be a good look for any religion.

 

[ur_in_a_cult]

Wait, the one that speaks for PAP was the cop on scene? I don't remember seeing that. I knew he had been a cop in the area.

I'm not sure what I can and can't say....but his name has been mentioned multiple times in the various threads on this topic in WS. I did just do some digger deeping, however, and it appears he was medically retired from the force in 2017. I think maybe earlier on many of us were seeing potential connections where they may be none....however, he was a long-time officer in Chandler, and is a clear part of PAP now. So I don't find it hard to believe the lawyer is in the same circle of people, too.

 

[BigAl16]

DM quoted an expert on religious matters, but how could an expert be sure of the facts of a particular case from afar? Maybe this person was misquoted.

I'd bet on misquoting or, at a minimum, taking a list of qualifications that the DM has no idea whether they happened or not. They went for the easy interpretation that made the best story.

 

[tresir2012]

Not the details. Just that it happened and the charge. So we don't know if she was just on the property, tried to get into the house, did other things that she wasn't charged for, etc.

ETA: We also don't know if there was anyone with her but was not charged, who bailed her out, and other things that might be useful to know.

It said she was trespassing, so it sounds to me like she was maybe sneaking around. I mean if she just drove up and knocked on the door that wouldn't be trespassing right?

 

[tresir2012]

Given that the cop who essentially looked the other way when Alex Cox killed Charles Vellow was part of their end time preppers group, it's certainly not a stretch that the lawyer would be as well.

It wouldn't just be one cop and from what I have read it is still being investigated, especially since Brandon's attempted shooting, Tammy's death and Alex's death. Do you have anything to back this up?

Also the PAP organization has cut their ties with them AFAIK.

This link shows the PAP statement under number 1 and is also on their website.

Chad Daybell: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

I have C/P the PAP statement below.

"In October, Nancy and I were out of the country for several weeks on a long needed family trip. We were deeply saddened to learn of the sudden death of Tammy Daybell, the wife of Chad Daybell, but could not attend the funeral. We considered Chad Daybell a good friend, but have since learned of things we had no idea about. As many of you know, Chad was a speaker at some of our Preparing A People Events and appeared on several of our “Preparing A People Podcasts”. We also produced a Series for Chad, “Glimpses through the Veil.” We recently learned of Chad’s new marriage to Lori Vallow a couple weeks after Tammy Daybell died. Lor Vallow was a contributor on the “Time to Warrior Up” podcast with Jason Mow and Melanie Gibb. And she also co-hosted the “Feel the Fire” Podcast with Melanie Gibb. We did not know Lori as well as we thought we knew Chad.

In light of current concerning media reports and ongoing criminal investigations regarding the recent death of Lori Vallow’s previous husband in Arizona, and the sudden death of Chad Daybell’s previous wife in Idaho, and with new reports of Lori’s missing children and the death of Lori’s brother-in-law, and the unknown whereabouts of Chad and Lori, we feel it inappropriate to promote any media content that may feature or contain references to either Chad Daybell or Lori Vallow.

Our hearts go out to all Chad and Lori’s family and friends who are now affected by this ongoing confusing tragedy. We pray for the truth of whatever happened to be quickly manifest, and we pray for the safe return of Lori’s 2 beautiful children."

 

[afitzy]

As an LDS person, I do not need the LDS church to tell me not to engage in illegal activity, I and the people that I know can most certainly figure that out for ourselves. Chad and Lori are in a fringe group, if they're getting help it's from those people. Everyone I know has been able to figure out for themselves that some very weird stuff is going on without the Church needing to make a formal statement. MOO

This is good to know, thank you for the clear explanation!

I was concerned that the Chad and Lori situation might be 'unclear' or 'ambiguous' to your fellow LDS members and that they might look for guidance from Elders or others in power as to how to proceed.

But you have been quite clear that you and most likely others 'get it' regarding this tragic situation and that it wouldn't be a good thing to extend assistance to Chad and Lori at this time by any member of the LDS faithful.

 

[afitzy]

It said she was trespassing, so it sounds to me like she was maybe sneaking around. I mean if she just drove up and knocked on the door that wouldn't be trespassing right?

IDK, it could be if the in laws told her to leave and she refused to leave!

 

[155etta]

"They said Lori adopted radical ideologies and religious beliefs, such as considering herself a reincarnated version of Joseph Smith’s wife."

Grandparents Of One Of Missing Rexburg Children Speak Out

 

[Redvines86]

I still just really wish without much hope that we could get somebody on here that had been in AVOW, that seems so key to all of this.

 

[Steelslady]

"They said Lori adopted radical ideologies and religious beliefs, such as considering herself a reincarnated version of Joseph Smith’s wife."

Grandparents Of One Of Missing Rexburg Children Speak Out

I am appalled. Clearly this woman needed help.

 

[Redvines86]

"They said Lori adopted radical ideologies and religious beliefs, such as considering herself a reincarnated version of Joseph Smith’s wife."

Grandparents Of One Of Missing Rexburg Children Speak Out

Gadzooks, well, she is pretty far out there, which I guess we had already figured out, but that's shows some pretty serious mental illness. Not a good sign for what we are most worried about. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

IDK, it could be if the in laws told her to leave and she refused to leave!

Could be, we don't know.

 

[afitzy]

All good points. While I'm not a fan of the LDS church, I don't think they're out of line in keeping quiet about this. Airing one of their members dirty laundry in public wouldn't be a good look for any religion.

I love WS because we see all different POVs!

We have seen other churches (non LDS) denounce members that have done things that are not in alignment with the teachings of the church.

I would think that the LDS mainstream membership would not want to be at all aligned with the teachings of Chad and because of this I would think that the Elders might speak out to set the record straight. IDK.

What I do find fascinating in doing some very quick reading on an admittedly complex topic is that there seems to be a somewhat murky line in LDS teachings on the topic that Chad is discussing that has been crossed somewhere along the path of his writing so many books and having his active podcast behind the paywall and building a following.

Perhaps the LDS mainstream church doesn't denounce Chad because they prefer a 'murky' line on these matters because its more convenient and doesn't involve as much policing? IDK.

The LDS line that Julie Rowe crossed seemed much more defined and that the decision on her relationship with the church was much more easily defined perhaps?

None of this matters all that much I would think as it relates to finding the 2 missing children which is a priority at this time. I was just concerned that LDS members would be actively sheltering Chad and Lori and that this might hinder an already difficult investigation for LE.

MOO

 

[PJFL]

4TH DISTRICT CT - AF ROGER W GRIFFIN January 03, 2020 Courtrm 1, 3rd Floor Friday 09:30 AM 1 SENTENCING UTA 191100448

Arrest on page 20.

ETA Now on page 24.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

As an LDS person, I do not need the LDS church to tell me not to engage in illegal activity, I and the people that I know can most certainly figure that out for ourselves. Chad and Lori are in a fringe group, if they're getting help it's from those people. Everyone I know has been able to figure out for themselves that some very weird stuff is going on without the Church needing to make a formal statement. MOO

Totally agree..I am sure that us in the Mainstream LDS membership see this for what it is.. 2 children are missing and we would be the first people putting on coats gloves and boots out looking for them if they would tell us where to go.

 

[indicolite22]

4TH DISTRICT CT - AF ROGER W GRIFFIN January 03, 2020 Courtrm 1, 3rd Floor Friday 09:30 AM 1 SENTENCING UTA 191100448

Arrest on page 20.

ETA Now on page 24.

From the link

CRIMINAL TRESPASS ENTER / REMAIN-PERSON OR UNMANNED AIRCRAFT - 11/12/19
> CASE INVOLVES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE <

 

[BigAl16]

I was just concerned that LDS members would be actively sheltering Chad and Lori and that this might hinder an already difficult investigation for LE.

MOO

Very much MOO and I don't have a good handle on Chad's beliefs, but what little I've picked up, plus Lori's (being a reincarnated wife of Joseph Smith, for example) is going to be perceived as out there by a typical person, Mormon or not. I think those in their own group of people, whoever they are (Chad's AVOV bunch, maybe, but we don't really know) are those I think are assisting them, assuming they are getting help.