Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4

[Mentalheadslap2018]

I’ve been inclined to give them the benefit of doubt knowing they must be hurting and their lives in turmoil, but TBH it’s getting harder.

Agreed, I can't imagine what this is like for them.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This has really got me wondering now. I know only one Mormon amongst our many relations and that person is into genealogy to track down older relatives who have mostly deceased. Is that the reason so they can be baptised in the LDS religion? All other relatives AFAIK are not LDS and are a mix of Roman Catholic or Protestant. So if those dead relatives get baptized LDS after there death, unknown to us, what about their Catholic or Protestant baptism/communion when they were alive? This seems wrong to me TBH.
So much for not discussing the church but I don't really think that will be possible on this thread, no matter how hard we try. If posters don't want to see it then there is the good old scroll and roll.

It won't make any difference to your dead relatives. It's like saying I decree Columbus came over on an aircraft carrier. You can't change history. It's just a disagreement in beliefs. JMO.

In all due respect, this isnt a theology forum.

 

[BigAl16]

It won't make any difference to your dead relatives. It's like saying I decree Columbus came over on an aircraft carrier. You can't change history. It's just a disagreement in beliefs. JMO.

Exactly the way I see it. If it isn't true then no harm, no foul. If it is then far be it for me to prevent anyone from having the chance to join after death.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Thanks for this!

Would you expect these people that are part of AVOW to centralise or settle together as the end of the world approaches? Or, would these AVOW members stay wherever they lived and be in remote contact with CD etc.?

Could CD and LD have been working to set up a place for people to congregate as a community? Or does it seem more likely that they are traveling around together seeking shelter from people sympathetic to their cause?

Even though so much time has passed since CD and LD left Rexburg, I do think its odd that LE never released information on where they might have been headed, what they were driving, whether they were together or if they escaped by plane? I would think with CCTV and traffic cams that this information is available. I remain confused as to how the public can help as so little information has been made available other than photographs of the missing people? Could LE know precisely where CD and LD are located but know that the children aren't with them and that is why details on finding CD and LD aren't forthcoming? The territory involved where the 2 missing children could be is huge and so little direction has been provided on where to look? Simply seems confusing for a true missing case IMO.

MOO

This case is tricky because you have two dynamics at play. Chad and Lori are separate from the kids. There are two separate networks aiding and supporting them and it is very likely these networks are not connected to each other at all with Lori as the only commonality. So, on the one hand you want to make sure that the kids stay in place wherever they are and not be moved again and on the other you want to ramp up pressure on Chad/Lori and/or their network to get them on the move - more mistakes happen that way, i.e. plan A is better than plan B which is better than plan C and so on.

The most recent events - the search yesterday and the court documents about Lori coming out - are meant to pressure both networks. Up until yesterday Lori could be one face to the network involved with the kids and another face to the network helping her and Chad. The media stories need only reach the right people to start disrupting what has kept Chad/Lori "safe".

 

[Trask]

When Charles moved to Houston in March 2019, did he take JJ along at that point? Would this be after he decided not to continue filing for divorce?

Sorry for the long answer, just trying to keep all this straight in my head.

Lori disappeared sometime during the last week of January. Fox 10 Phoenix has documents showing she transferred money out of the bank accounts on Jan 20 and JJ's grandparents report she left the next day. Charles filed for divorce and custody on Feb 8th. He dismissed the divorce case on Mar 6th but retained custody of JJ and moved to Houston

Lori returned to their Gilbert, AZ home at the end of March.

 

[tresir2012]

Oh and I have a family member who I think is a part of AVOW, they came to visit rexburg this summer to participate in a Chad Daybell visions conference, but since it hasn’t been confirmed on the PAP website I’m assuming it was arranged through the private AVOW. They stopped by my house to visit July 1. Unfortunately I don’t think they’d disclose any of this.

So can you tell us more about these Chad Daybell vision conferences? Were they regular events? Who were the targeted audience? Where did they take place? How many attended and for how long?

 

[Mistree]

They at least could've left their own cars behind, and gotten a ride from... someone else who was also leaving town. This would explain why Rexburg PD didn't feel the need to give us a description of their (Chad and Lori's) vehicles, as they (the cars) were probably left in Rexburg.

I believe this as well. I asked from the get go of this case for a description of the car (s). Not a word was mentioned which leads me to believe someone aided in getting them out of town. MOO

 

[Idaholocal]

So can you tell us more about these Chad Daybell vision conferences? Were they regular events? Who were the targeted audience? Where did they take place? How many attended and for how long?

Unfortunately I didn’t press and ask. I have no idea. We just ended up talking about how I know Chad’s older brother (who is not a visions Type person) from the medical community and I’d become friends with him.

 

[Idaholocal]

So can you tell us more about these Chad Daybell vision conferences? Were they regular events? Who were the targeted audience? Where did they take place? How many attended and for how long?

Unfortunately I didn’t press and ask. I have no idea. We just ended up talking about how I know Chad’s brother (who is not a visions Type person) from the medical community and I’d become friends with him.

 

[Redvines86]

Unfortunately I didn’t press and ask. I have no idea. We just ended up talking about how I know Chad’s older brother (who is not a visions Type person) from the medical community and I’d become friends with him.

Just to clarify, Chad is the oldest, so it must be a younger

 

[Trask]

Justin Lum from Fox 10 Phoenix has posted the entire Charles Vallow divorce/custody petition on his FB page. Not sure if I can post the link here but I'm only on page 2 and it's already a jaw dropper.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Justin Lum from Fox 10 Phoenix has posted the entire Charles Vallow divorce/custody petition on his FB page. Not sure if I can post the link here but I'm only on page 2 and it's already a jaw dropper.

Here it is linked. It is images of the pages rather than just the document.
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

 

[tresir2012]

Justin Lum from Fox 10 Phoenix has posted the entire Charles Vallow divorce/custody petition on his FB page. Not sure if I can post the link here but I'm only on page 2 and it's already a jaw dropper.

Yes you can post the link here as it is MSM.

 

[Friday Fan]

It's about abortion, correct.

Yes, but didn't mention it cuz, I don't feel it was relevent to this case.

 

[LHS]

I believe this as well. I asked from the get go of this case for a description of the car (s). Not a word was mentioned which leads me to believe someone aided in getting them out of town. MOO

Or they flew... which would negate the point of releasing car info.

 

[renarde]

Sorry for the long answer, just trying to keep all this straight in my head.

Lori disappeared sometime during the last week of January. Fox 10 Phoenix has documents showing she transferred money out of the bank accounts on Jan 20 and JJ's grandparents report she left the next day. Charles filed for divorce and custody on Feb 8th. He dismissed the divorce case on Mar 6th but retained custody of JJ and moved to Houston

Lori returned to their Gilbert, AZ home at the end of March.

@Trask
So Charles moved to Houston in March 2019, with JJ? That is when Charles' older son helped with the move? When did Charles (and JJ?) return to Arizona? Charles' older son said he still wishes Charles hadn't gone back. Where was Tylee all that time? Was she staying with her uncle Alex? Was Alex living elsewhere, or in that same home?

 

[Idaholocal]

Just to clarify, Chad is the oldest, so it must be a younger

Yep, went back and edited my post bc it’s a younger brother.

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

Interesting discussion on FB with Tylee Ryan's aunt.

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

@Trask
So Charles moved to Houston in March 2019, with JJ? That is when Charles' older son helped with the move? When did Charles (and JJ?) return to Arizona? Charles' older son said he still wishes Charles hadn't gone back. Where was Tylee all that time? Was she staying with her uncle Alex? Was Alex living elsewhere, or in that same home?

I do not believe Tylee's location during this timeframe has been disclosed.

 

[FindingJoLee]

I'm LDS and I'll share the reason that I think the discussion about our (admittedly, unique) doctrine is valuable here: It helps to flesh out just what is our doctrine...vs what is an extremist view or sharp divergence from our doctrine.

I'll also just mention that, as members of the Church, we actually have a relatively small amount of doctrine (some of which, again, is pretty unique.) Outside of a handful of core doctrines, I think a lot of people don't realize that we have wide (WIDE) latitude about the practice of our faith and about carrying out our individual missions and passions in life. Agency is a foundational principle to us as is the ability to access guidance from God. As with other faiths, our members may not be adhering to our doctrine, but still continue to profess faith and attend our services. These things -- unusual doctrine, wide ranging adherence to practices, (never mind that our practices aren't at all stagnant and sometimes can change at an almost alarming rate), agency, revelation --- it must be SO confusing for people to try to understand what in the world we believe.

I also thought it would be good to share some of why I think people become attracted to fringe and extremists groups. First of all, it's probably fairly obvious that we appreciate the idea of "belonging" to something and that we like being part of, and building, a faith community. We don't have professional clergy in our congregations, we do that ourselves. We also put a lot of value on preparedness, preparation -- for both the normal bumps of life and also for our eternal lives. We store food/goods and we set goals. We have the same susceptibility to mental illness that anyone does (and just as an FYI: we have very good access to mental health care, it is not frowned upon at all.) We also tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and we consider everyone with whom we share this planet our brothers and sisters in the family of God. That combination (and especially that last one) can leave members of the Church vulnerable to being taken advantage of in pretty strange ways. We have to be hyper-aware and guard against things like (just one example) affinity fraud. (Another sidebar: It is not at all unusual for our members to be warned about these vulnerabilities. From the pulpit, in congregational meetings.) Our agency also allows us to choose paths that go into grossly immoral and illegal behavior, as some of the people being discussed here appear to have done. At some point, people on those paths are excommunicated from the Church. I wish I could be more specific about where that point typically is, but I've never been up close and personal with someone experiencing it so I can't speak to even one example.

I guess I really just do think that a lot of what is being discussed here turns out to be LDS doctrine and practice (or just Christian doctrine and practice)...that has been turned on its head and twisted into something awful beyond words in what I believe to be a deep descent into mental illness.

In other news, I can't go into details but I know some of the people involved here. So I just want to send all of my love out to Tylee and JJ, Colby, Charles' family, and anyone else who is out there quietly, silently grieving loss or very very afraid right now. If any of you are reading here....I'm heartbroken; you have my love and my prayers that somehow, someday, you will feel some peace in your lives.