Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

[jjenny]

This story keeps taking more insane twists! Lori had a POOL PARTY ...what in the world?!

Well, why wouldn't she? Did anybody here really think she was upset when Charles was killed?

 

[155etta]

The video was sent out to the media? I was not aware of that. I saw it on his channel. It was just a thought, I think he is doing the right thing. I hope his mother lets him talk to his siblings, it's pretty clear that he loves them both very much.


If this post was about what I said, I'm sorry you took it that way. I didn't criticize him, at all. He IS doing the right thing. And I agree with what you're saying about Chad's children. I don't understand how can they be so quiet and not concerned at all (if they are concerned, it doesn't look like it).

I don't find it odd in light of the manipulation we heard about in regards to Tammy and her computer game she liked to play. If he manipulated her that way and she gave in and quit playing the game, it stands to reason that he parented his children the same way. Mormons also teach that the father is the patriarch and the head of the family. Also, if he thought he was a prophet, I imagine what he said was law in that household. He told his children not to talk to the press or LE and they aren't.

 

[Steelslady]

Transcribing CJ's video:
Mom, I want to talk to you like I'm sitting across the room from you. I don't even know how to start and say what I want to say, but I'm so hurt. I'm so hurt by all of this. I can't even tell you how many people are hurt by this. I can't even explain to you how much this affects so many different people; I'm not sure if you know that or where you're at, what you're doing. I can't tell you how hurt and frustrated and confused I am about what's going on. I think, I don't even know. I think what I want more than anything is for you - you have the power to end this. You have an opportunity to put this all to rest. I know that it's hard maybe for you, maybe it's something you don't want to do, I don't know. I really really want to see Tylee and JJ, I really want this to be over for more than one reason. And I'm not talking about myself, I'm not talking about people trying to get answers from me, people wanting things from me. I'm talking about simply the fact that I can't even fathom that this is happening to our family. I grew up with you. I grew up with Tylee and JJ as my siblings. We grew up in a family. I grew up with stepbrothers and a stepdad. We had a life, and it seems like that life never existed at this point.

I don't know what I can tell you. I don't know what I can say to you that would mean more to me than just to say, that I just, I want this to be over. For so many different reasons, I want this to be over. But I want you to really think about what's important right now. What's actually important? What do we need to do? I am over here worried and thinking about Tylee and JJ. I need - I don't know what I need. I want YOU to end this. I want you to end it. For everybody. For the kids, for yourself, for all of us. This can end. So please (sighs) from me, from the person that we've - I've been closest to you my whole life. In [the past] three years, we're not as close, and I'm sorry that we weren't close, but that doesn't excuse a fact for anything. I'm so upset I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you how much my feelings hurt, how bad (sighs). I don't have words to formulate for you. I don't. I have so much anger. I have so much things I want to say out of anger, which I know it isn't right to do. I have so many things that I want to ask you, I have so many things I just want to put into place, and I have a million other people who want the same thing and it just sucks. This all sucks, and I just need this to end for Tylee and JJ. I need this to end for you. I need this to end for all of us.

This is not ok. This is not cool. This needs to be done. Please just understand, I'm your son, I would never want anything to happen to you, I would never want anything to happen to Tylee and JJ, ever. Ever. Anytime, I would do anything to protect them, and you know that. I just want them to be safe and I want them to be ok, and I just want you to just find it in your heart to be able to help this situation because I'm just, I'm really just having a hard time right now too. I know it's not about me, but I'm having a hard time too. I'm having a really hard time and I can't tell you how hard this has been.

Even if you just show them on FaceTime. Just show them on FaceTime to the police. That would be a whole lot better. I don't know what else I can tell you to do, than just to know that this is the right thing to do. I want you guys to be safe and I want you guys to be ok, but we're way past the point of that. I'm doing this because I can't sit there and talk to you. I'm doing this because I can't sit across the room and have a conversation with you. And so, I have to do it on here. That sucks. I can't call my own mom, I can't see my siblings, everything that's happened, everything that's been going on, like I can't even tell you. I've never felt this way, I've never had my heart broken like that, you know?

I wish things were different and they can be different, they really can. They can be different. I know you know what the right thing to do is, and I know you have a good heart. I know that it's time to do the right thing, and it's time, it's time to do that. It's time to do the right thing. And I ask you to please, to just listen to what I have to say and think about what I have to say because I only want what's best for them, I want what's best for you, but if that's not going to be the case then I don't know what else I can say.

I missed this- thank you VERY much! I listened to it last night, and it literally broke my heart. He must be so hurt, angry, confused, and devastated along with his darling wife. They are trying so hard to help in any way that they can. I just hope and pray Lori's heart softens enough to do the right thing and at least Facetime the kids, if they are still alive.

 

[arizonamomoffour]

To really understand this case, knowing the culture of rural Idaho is essential. And the LDS culture as well.

It is interesting to think this way, because I do "know" the culture in Rexburg, had 2 kids that attended Ricks college.


You know, as I wrote that, I tried to think what I was really writing. It is difficult to explain, but it is sort of like trying to understand a crime that took place on an Indian reservation, if you don't understand the culture, and the difference between living in a rural small town, as opposed to a crime that happens in a major metropolitan city. There is such a huge difference.

Everyone "knows" everybody. But it seems to me that Lori was an "Outlier", she didn't fit the norm of "Rexburg". I doubt that she even went to church. She didn't have family in the area, as far as I know, she moved to Rexburg, Idaho because she was infatuated with Chad Daybell.

I have Relatives, LDS, that relocated to Rexburg 30 years ago. I know what you are talking about.

 

[ur_in_a_cult]

If you search the guy's name on one of the main FB pages about the case he says a ton. I had asked a few days ago if I could post the FB site but was correct in that I couldn't. Been fuming over some of his info for a couple days. Crazy. I hope he finally got LE to contact him since it's now out in MSM

Which guy? I wasn't sure who you were referring to since there was no quoted post and don't want to miss anything on FB. I've been sleuthing some on my own time and I tell you, the comments on people's public posts and the media posts can give you quite a lot of insight into some of the moving parts involved in this case.

 

[arizonamomoffour]

I thought they were the same initially because it mentions 4 children. However the surname is different and Gibb is not the name of the new husband,

I believe new hubby has a father named, "Chad".

 

[Friday Fan]

Which guy? I wasn't sure who you were referring to since there was no quoted post and don't want to miss anything on FB. I've been sleuthing some on my own time and I tell you, the comments on people's public posts and the media posts can give you quite a lot of insight into some of the moving parts involved in this case.

Lori and Charles' landlord New texts show last known contact from Tylee Ryan's phone

 

[jjenny]

I feel horrible for JJ's grandparents. One can see they are really suffering.

 

[arizonamomoffour]

Lots more info in this piece- Tylee’s last known text Oct. 25

Landlord of Lori’s where shooting occurred-

New texts show last known contact from Tylee Ryan's phone

“In a Facebook post Sunday, Vallow’s former property manager in Arizona, Joe Pongratz, said he asked Vallow to leave following the death of her husband, Charles Vallow, on July 11 at the property she rented. Pongratz was disturbed by several details surrounding Charles Vallow’s death. Charles was shot to death by Vallow’s brother, Alex Cox. Pongratz wrote that, on the same day Charles died, Vallow texted him, “we are ok, Ill explain later,” when he texted her wondering why police were at the house. Pongratz also wrote that she threw a pool party later that afternoon.

“That day the neighbors reported a pool party at the house, the same day Charles was murdered, with loud music and lots of people swimming. Neighbors also reported Alex was staying at the house for several days following the shooting even though he lived in the same area. I spoke with Lori several times days following the shooting and she never sounded shocked, sad or heartbroken, as you would think a bride would be watching her husband die,” Pongratz wrote in his post.

At Pongratz’s request, Vallow agreed to move out Aug. 31.”

Good Lord, I hope that Chandler PD knows this now?

 

[ur_in_a_cult]

Lori and Charles' landlord New texts show last known contact from Tylee Ryan's phone

Oh! I got busy cooking dinner and forgot I wanted to look that post up. Thanks!

 

[Lionsanddandelions]

**ETA: Still working my way through the thread, but saw an advisory from WS about permitted content in this forum. I'm still relatively new, is the below info acceptable? I'll delete if against ToS.
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I have all of thread 5 to catch up on, so if this is a repeat, I will edit later. But in reference to this article:

New texts show last known contact from Tylee Ryan's phone

Colby's wife, KR, made a comment in a social media group that Lori told Tylee to get rid of all of her social media, and she also had a history of taking Tylee's phone and texting Colby from it. Imo, this only adds to the highly questionable nature of who the source might have been behind this text exchange with Tylee's friend as well as Tylee's last Venmo payment.

 

[Friday Fan]

I believe new hubby has a father named, "Chad".

Thanks for the heads up. I don't expect to run across another Chad, but you never know in this case!

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Which should have been a crime scene. Was it ever treated as one? It seems awfully quick to release the scene for a bunch of people to have a party on the same day a guy is killed.

That is exactly what I was going to say! How did they not investigate the scene longer? Better yet, how did they not question Lori and Alex longer? Did LE happen to get a specially trained investigator to question JJ? Was Tylee questioned? This is nutty behavior to have a pool party. I would love to know WHO was at that pool party. Where was he shot-inside the house or outside? How did they even clean up the scene? I am not thinking much of the investigation here.

Also wondering, where did the baseball bat come from? I would like a poll on how many 63-year-old men carry a baseball bat in the car? Or how many women that live alone keep a baseball bat in the house?

Ok, weird another random question coming here. Does anyone know if Lori and Alex were biological siblings?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I just noticed today that Chad's book publishing company website is down: http://www.springcreekbooks.com/

Message there currently says:

Error establishing a database connection

@diggndeeperstill it might be a good idea to see what else you can pull up on the wayback machine from that site.

I will have at it!

 

[Redvines86]

Huge MOO lol!!! But long before anyone should be getting upset with Chad's kids for not doing more, it sure seems like everyone has been very hands off with Lori's parents. I wonder why?

 

[Gardener1850]

Ok, weird another random question coming here. Does anyone know if Lori and Alex were biological siblings?

SBM.
They are full siblings with the same parents (but since we are not supposed to sleuth Lori's parents or post their names here you will have to take my word for it or do your own research if you want to verify ). Both were born in San Bernardino County, CA. Alex was older. Birth records can be found on Familysearch.org

 

[BigAl16]

I don't find it odd in light of the manipulation we heard about in regards to Tammy and her computer game she liked to play. If he manipulated her that way and she gave in and quit playing the game, it stands to reason that he parented his children the same way. Mormons also teach that the father is the patriarch and the head of the family. Also, if he thought he was a prophet, I imagine what he said was law in that household. He told his children not to talk to the press or LE and they aren't.

Yeah, I think that figures into their reaction to some degree. Part of it depends on the level of indoctrination. In addition we've got 5 kids. One is on a mission out of the country, so probably largely ignorant of what is going on or how to react. Two of his kids are living in the house. (One of them is unmarried, the other I thought was married, so maybe two kids and at least one spouse are in the house.) I'm going to assume living in his house implies some additional power he can potentially exercise. Then it appears one daughter lives across the street based on things that have come out recently that I can't mention. I'm not sure if that puts additional pressure on her to comply or not.

 

[jjenny]

Huge MOO lol!!! But long before anyone should be getting upset with Chad's kids for not doing more, it sure seems like everyone has been very hands off with Lori's parents. I wonder why?

Are we even sure Lori's parents are still alive? They haven't made a peep about any of this.

 

[Redvines86]

Are we even sure Lori's parents are still alive? They haven't made a peep about any of this.

Yes

 

[jjenny]

Good Lord, I hope that Chandler PD knows this now?

I am sure that they think it's perfectly normal behavior.