Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

[BigAl16]

RSBBM I’ve been wondering about this too. Perhaps it’s because the couple is dangerous and challenging the public to ‘spot them’ would be risky to the public, as well as the children if they are still alive/with them?

But then why have the stories saying they are missing and assumed in danger and so on at all?

 

[renarde]

"The family told me they would like to meet surviving members of the Daybell family to show their love and support."

Adam Herbets on Twitter

 

[Lostintranzlation]

Brandon was attacked on October 2nd and Tammy's incident with the paintball gun occurred on October 9, so if Alex was involved in both, he'd have to drive to Arizona and return after the 2nd. He was seen in Rexburg in November by Lori's neighbor, got married at the end of the month in Las Vegas and died on December 12 in Arizona.
It's not clear if the Jeep registered to Charles left Arizona or where it was found.

Thanks for the clarification. I think I’m getting confused (can’t imagine why, such an easy case ) about when/if the Jeep was in AZ. Was the Jeep reported seen by BB during his near-shooting?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Has it been disclosed what Alex did for a living?

Apparently he was Lori's personal secret service team.

 

[Lostintranzlation]

Brandon was attacked on October 2nd and Tammy's incident with the paintball gun occurred on October 9, so if Alex was involved in both, he'd have to drive to Arizona and return after the 2nd. He was seen in Rexburg in November by Lori's neighbor, got married at the end of the month in Las Vegas and died on December 12 in Arizona.
It's not clear if the Jeep registered to Charles left Arizona or where it was found.

Thanks for the clarification. I think I’m getting confused (can’t imagine why, such an easy case ) about when/if the Jeep was in AZ. Was the Jeep reported seen by BB during his near-shooting?

 

[mickey2942]

One problem I have noticed with MSM articles, in this case, and others, is that not even MSM is consistent with the "facts".

Keep this in mind, because even the different articles contradict each other, which creates more confusion about this situation.

 

[fred&edna]

Thanks for the clarification. I think I’m getting confused (can’t imagine why, such an easy case ) about when/if the Jeep was in AZ. Was the Jeep reported seen by BB during his near-shooting?

Yes, and...

"The attempt on Boudreaux's life occurred Oct. 2. The Jeep that his would-be killer was driving was registered to Charles Vallow."

How a Gilbert drive-by shooting is tied to the Idaho missing children


*Also, the timeline posted by Gardener1850 on page 1 of this thread really helps. I often go back and review to clarify

 

[KonaHonu]

Apparently he was Lori's personal secret service team.

Yeah. But my reason for wondering about this is to ascertain whether he likely had the time and financial means to do all this henchman work. Someone said early on that Lori's (and hence Alex's) parents are wealthy. But I'd think Alex would need to have some kind of employment beyond "Lori's Angel"!

Let's say he were a private investigator, that may explain why he had a gun when visiting Lori's house.

On second thought, it's Arizona, no need for a reason to be packing all the time.

 

[Avocado49]

No specific cause for Tammy was given as far as I can tell. Just "natural causes."

can they actually tell if someone died of suffocation due to cough/asthma/congestion rather than being suffocated. surely Chad knows well how to cause a death that looks like natural causes, as part of his preparations? Lori and Chad (and Chad’s kids) don’t seem to have responded to Tammy’s body being exhumed - well, besides Alex’s death the day after - like they didn’t seem concerned.

 

[afitzy]

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@renarde and @afitzy posted links (thanks) and I have copied an excerpt from E Idaho news which is what I wanted from you. It doesn't say the kids witnessed the murder though so where is your source for that statement? I don't want proof but just an allowed source as required for posted facts. If it is just your opinion that the kids witnessed the murder, you need to clarify that in your posts.

I believe the only support for the statement that the 2 children were present at the time of Charles' death came from Kay (Charles sister) who was interviewed by Gray Hughes on his podcast (link previously provided).

I believe the explanation from Kay was that Lori asked the 2 children to wait outside and so they exited the house and waited. Lori then exited the house after gunshots were heard and took JJ to school. I don't recall that there was an explanation of what Tylee was doing while Lori took JJ to school or if she went in the car to drop off JJ. Lori allegedly called 911/LE when she returned from dropping off JJ and reported the death of Charles.

This account by Kay I don't believe has been confirmed by LE via MSM and so IMO is heresy even though it is an account of a relative who has been in contact with LE. Kay was clear in her interview that there were aspects of the account she is giving on Gray Hughes podcast that she cannot discuss.

I think you or anyone here ought to simply listen to the Kay interview on Gray Hughes and make your own decision as to what to believe at this time. We know from Kay and LE that the investigation into Charles' death is ongoing and so it also makes sense IMO to defer a decision on this matter until additional information is forthcoming from LE IMO.

MOO

 

[Avocado49]

Yeah. But my reason for wondering about this is to ascertain whether he likely had the time and financial means to do all this henchman work. Someone said early on that Lori's (and hence Alex's) parents are wealthy. But I'd think Alex would need to have some kind of employment beyond "Lori's Angel"!

Let's say he were a private investigator, that may explain why he had a gun when visiting Lori's house.

On second thought, it's Arizona, no need for a reason to be packing all the time.

The $70K+ that Lori transferred from Charles’ accounts probably kept him on the payroll for awhile...

 

[Avocado49]

I believe the only support for the statement that the 2 children were present at the time of Charles' death came from Kay (Charles sister) who was interviewed by Gray Hughes on his podcast (link previously provided).

I believe the explanation from Kay was that Lori asked the 2 children to wait outside and so they exited the house and waited. Lori then exited the house after gunshots were heard and took JJ to school. I don't recall that there was an explanation of what Tylee was doing while Lori took JJ to school or if she went in the car to drop off JJ. Lori allegedly called 911/LE when she returned from dropping off JJ and reported the death of Charles.

This account by Kay I don't believe has been confirmed by LE via MSM and so IMO is heresy even though it is an account of a relative who has been in contact with LE. Kay was clear in her interview that there were aspects of the account she is giving on Gray Hughes podcast that she cannot discuss.

I think you or anyone here ought to simply listen to the Kay interview on Gray Hughes and make your own decision as to what to believe at this time. We know from Kay and LE that the investigation into Charles' death is ongoing and so it also makes sense IMO to defer a decision on this matter until additional information is forthcoming from LE IMO.

MOO

it’s odd though, that story about Lori calling when she got back from school drop-off, because apparently Alex called 911 and was giving Charles CPR while he was on the phone with them? Or at least said he was.

 

[afitzy]

So coroners in Idaho are an elected position. They might or might not have medical education. They wouldn't necessarily be a trained medical pathologist.
If Tammy spend four hours in a coroner's office in Idaho, it doesn't mean an autopsy was actually done.

There also is a Medical Examiner involved with the process. ME's are typically MDs with special credentials and certifications and would be responsible for the autopsy is that way that I believe the link I posted earlier today explained the situation in ID.

 

[Avocado49]

Is there proof that Tylee’s Jeep was ever in Rexburg? Curious about this.
If Seth (the neighbor) is right about Alex living in Rexburg, then my own personal theory is that Alex was the one in the mask threatening Tammy (maybe Lori told him to go over there to scare her). Then I think it’s very likely at some point he drove Tylee’s Jeep back to AZ, shot at BB, and then ended up being killed there.
It would explain how Alex and the Jeep are first in Rexburg and then both end up back in AZ.

with a quick trip to Las Vegas to get married in between

 

[Tortoise]

can they actually tell if someone died of suffocation due to cough/asthma/congestion rather than being suffocated. surely Chad knows well how to cause a death that looks like natural causes, as part of his preparations? Lori and Chad (and Chad’s kids) don’t seem to have responded to Tammy’s body being exhumed - well, besides Alex’s death the day after - like they didn’t seem concerned.

That prompts me to ask - has Alex's funeral taken place yet?

 

[afitzy]

it’s odd though, that story about Lori calling when she got back from school drop-off, because apparently Alex called 911 and was giving Charles CPR while he was on the phone with them? Or at least said he was.

I'm with you that we all could be involved in a very long and twisted 'game' of telephone on the entire issue of "WHAT HAPPENED TO CHARLES".

I respect Kay and her husband and their love of Charles IMO was honest and real. But, the reality is that neither one of them were present at the time of Charles death unfortunately. They no doubt have received certain information from LE and I have no reason to believe that the account presented by Kay was anything other than what she believed.

But, I don't believe LE has commented officially on the death other than to say the investigation is ongoing. Given that it appears Charles was cremated by Lori, I'm not sure what forensic work can be done with cremated remains. IF as Kay explains in the Gray Hughes interview, that the 2 children were outside when Charles died then perhaps Tylee can shed some light on the situation for LE.

The issue then clearly becomes that the only people that I believe can discuss anything about the time of Charles' death are either dead (Alex) or missing (Tylee and JJ and Lori).

 

[NvrEndgStry]

Yeah. But my reason for wondering about this is to ascertain whether he likely had the time and financial means to do all this henchman work. Someone said early on that Lori's (and hence Alex's) parents are wealthy. But I'd think Alex would need to have some kind of employment beyond "Lori's Angel"!

Let's say he were a private investigator, that may explain why he had a gun when visiting Lori's house.

On second thought, it's Arizona, no need for a reason to be packing all the time.

I read something about him being a truck driver. I can’t find where I came across that. I don’t know if that means CDL. Maybe there’s a way to search?

 

[Chewy1972]

I read something about him being a truck driver. I can’t find where I came across that. I don’t know if that means CDL. Maybe there’s a way to search?

I am new to this Forum and have been reading up on all of this information but you are correct. Yes, he was a long haul truck driver it was stated in the interview that was posted that I listened to earlier today. The Gary Hughes You Tube interview.

 

[Avocado49]

The coughing did “wake Chad up” (or he was already awake), hence how we know about it in the first place. Chad relayed this information to Tammy’s father per the news story below. However, it has not been reported whether her falling out of bed awoke him. Let’s keep in mind that the “fact” that Tammy had a coughing/vomiting fit that evening and that she fell out of bed in the night (as opposed to having been moved there) comes only from Chad (as far as I am aware, unless one of the children has corroborated this).

Family members say mother of missing children in Rexburg joined a dangerous cult with new husband



I hate being the devil’s advocate (especially in this case), but, typically, if you are on the phone with 911 and are with someone in need of resuscitation, the 911 operator will request that you perform CPR and will walk you through what to do, if necessary, over the phone until help arrives. I do not see any indication in the following article of Alex being taken to the hospital for injuries, so the “blow” to the head may not have been as severe as one would expect. (Or, more likely, there was no blow to the head at all, MOO.)

Man dead after family fight at Chandler home leads to shooting

didn’t Colby Ryan say that Lori called him to come over, saying that Charles had a heart attack and died? And that Alex had a bandage on his head but they told Colby it was unrelated. I wonder if Colby saw Tylee that day (I think CR also said that Tylee told him she took JJ to the car as directed).

 

[jjenny]

Charles wasn't cremated. I don't think there is any doubt as to what killed him-two bullets into the chest. Joseph (husband #3) is the one who was cremated.