Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

[squareandrabbet]

Yes, I realized that. I am just wondering if it is realistic to think he carried a baseball bat in his car? I mean, did he often go take batting practice? Most 63-year-old pitchers sort of have bad shoulders by then, and most pitchers are not batters.

Maybe he felt comfortable rolling with it as a method to take out a carjacker or similar.

He was the parent of a seven-year-old boy. Seems logical to me that he'd have some basic sports equipment handy to share with a child of that age.

Yeah, besides that, who says athletic people are timely about KonMari-ing out their sporting equipment, even if it disintegrates/never gets used? My father was an all-arounder in HS and he carried stuff around until I was in middle school, and things like a set of golf clubs for even longer (I think the golf clubs hung around as long as 20 years).

 

[Colorado303]

Maybe this has been discussed, but what kind(s) of natural death would involve coughing and vomiting? Flu? I’m trying to guess what they said was cod.

My first thought was an asthma attack, specifically an allergy induced attack (as opposed to exercise induced asthma). People commonly associate asthma with wheezing but when I have an attack I don’t wheeze, I cough. If someone coughs hard enough they often vomit because the gag reflex is triggered (similar to sticking a finger down the throat).

I’m curious to know if Tammy suffered from asthma or allergies. Particularly respiratory allergies. I do, and there are some substances I’m so sensitive to that even a very small amount sets me off. If someone put a hefty bag or pillow case over my head that contained one of those substances and I couldn’t get away from the allergen or get medical treatment, it would likely kill me in a matter of minutes.

Though potentially deadly, these attacks are different than anaphylactic shock. And I’m not sure how easily it would be picked up in autopsy.

 

[jjenny]

Ironic.

"Charles was a 1974 graduate of Barbe High School and attended McNeese State University where he received a scholarship to pitch for the McNeese Cowboys.

[...]

In 1975, as a freshman he set a new McNeese University record by striking out 13 batters in the first college game he pitched. In 1977, he was drafted to play semi-pro ball in Houston."

View Leland Vallow's Obituary on americanpress.com and share memories

So one would think that if Charles actually hit the dude on the head with a bat, that dude would be in no condition to call 911 and perform CPR.

 

[jjenny]

All the times i have read about this but never saw the screenshot and NEVER caught where she said "He shot at me several times,...." How did I miss this? I wonder if the metal detector was looking for bullets? How on earth did she think it was a paintball gun but not get hit by a paintball? Kinda hard to miss with those? Thanks, I never looked close enough or maybe didn't remember he actually fired a shot. Thanks. (i am not trying to reopen this discussion...ah)

Because no paintballs came out of it. She believed the paintball gun wasn't loaded.

 

[jjenny]

BBM - Lori claimed that Tylee took off with JJ? Interesting.

Since some people here even suggested it as a possibility, then it could be believable. Which is presumably why Lori would claim it after JJ wasn't found in Arizona. I don't think 17 year old could run off with a special needs child, not contact any of her or his relatives, and not be seen or heard since.

 

[tresir2012]

That is a LOT of new news! A pool party?! I wonder if the guests knew they were hanging out a murder scene.

The last quote from Tylee's friend made me tear up.

Could someone copy and paste the text? The article won't load for Europe.

 

[tresir2012]

Well, why wouldn't she? Did anybody here really think she was upset when Charles was killed?

She probably thought she was going to get 2 million. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

typing maybe... cognitive thinking and maneuvering? Probably not.

exactly


I just had to chime in about computer forensic trails. I know very little about the programming or coding side, but I bet most of us have a big trail that we wouldn’t have clue one about how to make disappear.

here are just some of the ways I can think of that we or our info is tracked via a computer.

iTunes— iPhone backups / iCloud backups
History on each browser
Cloud Data
Microsoft one drive data-
Bing profiles , history, searches
Google data- if you allow it to sync across devices even more data.
IP address from cameras, playstations, routers, computers, direct tv ,
Netflix history, amazon shopping history, Walmart purchase history, target cartwheel purchase history, credit card history, Venmo history, phone records— yes deleted texts CAN be restored and recovered!
Metadata from pictures
Email addresses, contacts- they can be all over if ever linked, snap chat, Facebook “recommended friends” linked in, yahoo, etc. , Fitbit Data, health insurance “prescription records” , banking and credit cards, “notes” from phone, there’s a whole section for downloads on phone, location data AND location history.
Now let’s look at payments to their website. PayPal records, bank, payment processor, Venmo, irs records, tax payments,


I’m convinced I couldn’t cover my tracks if I wanted to. No way. There is way too much data on us out there. I mean Facebook has tools to know if you make a purchase after seeing an ad, even while using a different device.

I’m quite hopeful they’ve got a treasure trove of info from the search warrant. I can only imagine what his google searches included. Or rather, his google, safari, chrome, Firefox, yahoo, and DuckDuckGo searches included.

In Chad's bio I posted upthread he had a job working for Access before he went into journalism so I think he is computer literate. Access is/was a database company IIRC. I agree with you about the search history. Even if we delete history it probably is saved somewhere else IMO.

 

[indicolite22]

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[mickey2942]

He was the parent of a seven-year-old boy. Seems logical to me that he'd have some basic sports equipment handy to share with a child of that age.

A baseball bat for a seven year old child isn't much of a weapon. And I don't see him going into the house armed with a baseball bat.

I actually don't see Charles Vallow as a perpetrator here, he obviously wanted Lori out of his life, hence the divorce. He wanted to pick up his child, and probably had no clue that he was walking into a trap. I think that Lori likes to get her way, and Charles Vallow, divorcing her, she reacted in typical "borderline Personality disorder" fashion, like Jodi Arias, and killed him.

 

[jjenny]

Charles stopped the divorce proceedings. He still had hope his marriage could work out. I think Lori is the one who didn't want to stay married to Charles.

 

[mickey2942]

Charles stopped the divorce proceedings. He still had hope his marriage could work out. I think Lori is the one who didn't want to stay married to Charles.

I am pretty sure that she was playing him. Stop the divorce, we will be a "happy couple". I don't think that he was really on that page, after all, he was the one who wanted her committed.

 

[jjenny]

Charles wanted her treated. I don't think she wanted to stay married or convinced him to stay married, based on conversations the two of them had that Charles reported to his sister. Sister is quoted somewhere in msm saying Lori told Charles she didn't want either him or JJ anymore.

 

[lurker042]

He's probably speaking in general about the reason for the 911 call 10 days before Tammy died. Tammy posted that the masked man fired at her but she didn't think it was loaded-- probably because she didn't see any paint IMO. Either Tammy or Chad may have called 911 and said "someone is firing a paintball gun at my house..." I'm of the opinion it was neither a paintball gun nor did it jam. MOO.

Here's Tammy's post, courtesy of the Daily Mail:

Police suspect Idaho cult leader's first wife was POISONED | Daily Mail Online

As I have stated before but comments were deleted....
In those 16 comments Tammy identified the gun as a paintball gun. It had a hopper on top of the gun. She called it a scoop....and again a scoop and a scope are 2 different things as they look entirely different. If the masked shooter was at the rear of her car and she was located at the side it is very unlikely that the shooter could have missed. Given the fact that she was near enough to him to consider smacking him with her freezer meals that sounds pretty close he must have been the world's worst shot if shots would have been fired.
Sunset was roughly 7 pm on Oct 9th. Total darkness does not happen for another 20 or so minutes. Even then it was likely that it was dark when Tammy got home for her activity.

 

[Trask]

I'm not 100% on it being the same house referenced in the divorce papers (I haven't checked addresses or anything) but I think it makes sense that it was and that Charles eventually let Lori live there again (KW, CV's sister, says CV was paying for that house where he was killed). After he filed for divorce and then dropped it and moved to TX, it wouldn't really make sense if Lori was living in a different AZ house that was also paid for by Charles. I think he probably just kept making payments on the same house in AZ and let Lori stay there. MOO.

There is a lot more context and background in the landlord's FB post that wasn't referenced in the article.

 

[jjenny]

I don't know what Tammy saw or didn't see on top of the gun. Scoop is not an actual thing. If Tammy called something she saw on the gun a scoop, that tells me she is not familiar with what guns do and don't have. Because, again, there is no such thing as gun scoop. But police were searching with metal detectors, so I presume they were not searching for paintballs.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Now that the DM has posted Tammy's post about the "paintball gun" incident we can discuss it more here. I have been meaning to ask-- what are "freezer meals from Enrichment"? Any idea on what time she would have gotten home from that? I'm wondering if it was dark outside when she got home.

LDS lingo. She is saying she had attended an activity for our women's organization, called Relief Society. There was apparently an activity that night where they made up some freezer meals, something along the lines of cooperative cooking or once-a-month cooking. Those kinds of meetings are not structured across the Church, the activities there would be chosen locally based on need and interest. It sounds like at least some sub-set of the women in her congregation were interested in preparing meals for the freezer. My guess is that they would have had time to each make one or two or maybe even three dishes, it wouldn't be the sort of stockpiling that would associate with extremists.

 

[lurker042]

I don't know what Tammy saw or didn't see on top of the gun. Scoop is not an actual thing. If Tammy called something she saw on the gun a scoop, that tells me she is not familiar with what guns do and don't have. Because, again, there is no such thing as gun scoop. But police were searching with metal detectors, so I presume they were not searching for paintballs.

OR she was not familiar enough with the proper term for the hopper.
Again....I have reread the entire post and she states "where you put the paintballs"
She was not a dumb person
She knew what she was looking at.....

OH....and she made that original posting concerning her experience at 9:30 pm

 

[Friday Fan]

Random thought....
Awhile back someone asked if Tammy knew about guns or if Chad had firearms.

I'm thinking Tammy at least knew had to fire a gun and Chad probably owned at least one gun. I base this on what I've learned about the LDS Church in this thread and about preparedness. I don't say this in doomsday preparedness, but as in general preparedness for instance in a natural disaster. (Think pioneer /self sufficiency/be able to live off the land/hunt/type situation without electricity)
I could be totally wrong...MOO

 

[BigAl16]

I'm not 100% on it being the same house referenced in the divorce papers (I haven't checked addresses or anything) but I think it makes sense that it was and that Charles eventually let Lori live there again (KW, CV's sister, says CV was paying for that house where he was killed). After he filed for divorce and then dropped it and moved to TX, it wouldn't really make sense if Lori was living in a different AZ house that was also paid for by Charles. I think he probably just kept making payments on the same house in AZ and let Lori stay there. MOO.

Payments as in rental payments, not mortgage payments based on the article that talks about a landlord who asked her to move out after Charles was shot. Either one is money coming out of Charles pocket, but there are differences in how Charles might perceive that out go as well as differences in how quickly he'd be able to stop that outgo with Lori moving out between the two. I'd say with it as a rental that some potential advantages to Charles that might have been there if it was a mortgage payment wouldn't be there as a rental.