Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

[Gardener1850]

Level 3 dark spirits, I believe.

I've seen this posted a couple times now. Can someone please find a MSM source for the "Level 3 dark Spirits" quote? Was that in a Grey Hughes interview? I plan to post update #3 of the timeline this afternoon or this evening (unless some thing big breaks in the case today) and this is one detail I need a source for or I won't include it. TIA!

 

[tresir2012]

As far as custody issues, none of that explains why they fled from law enforcement. The police had no power to take the children that day, it was a simple welfare check. They could have just shown the children, wherever they are, and it wouldn’t change anything re any custody issues. Those would be dealt with by a court.

Instead they fled and now they’re the subject of a nationwide FBI manhunt, I really don’t see how this fixes a custody dispute - if it exists. They certainly haven’t made anything better for themselves, or more importantly the children!

Well I guess if the kids had been there and were interviewed by LE it may have been a different story depending on what the kids said and how they appeared.

I never realized it was FAMILY MEMBERS she told that Tylee had died. What the heck?!!! I knew she had said it to someone, but family? How long ago did she say that? And who to? Totally crazy. I want to know more about this detail. I assumed she had said this to a stranger of sorts- but family?

Also the bit about the 17 year going off with the 7 year old is a strange claim. What do posters think of that? Is that likely Tylee has gone off with JJ and has not heard about any of this? Hard to imagine. It is from the same link.

"And then she claimed that the 17-year-old had run off with the 7-year-old and didn't say anything to authorities."

 

[BigAl16]

In the Erica Parsons case it was years where her adoptive parents were collecting her SS benefits when she had been deceased.

There was a recent case in a small town in Utah where a lady died and they discovered a deceased husband's body in a large freezer in her apartment. I think they're still investigating, but the last I read it sounded like he had been dead for roughly 10 years and she'd been collecting his social security for that full time. I guess if you die before getting caught it can work with no repercussions. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

In the Erica Parsons case it was years where her adoptive parents were collecting her SS benefits when she had been deceased.

We had a case in Scotland, where carers were convicted of murder, despite no body, and of claiming tens of thousand of pounds in SS benefits for 17 years I think it was.

 

[snoflake20]

DBM

 

[snoflake20]

I've seen this posted a couple times now. Can someone please find a MSM source for the "Level 3 dark Spirits" quote? Was that in a Grey Hughes interview? I plan to post update #3 of the timeline this afternoon or this evening (unless some thing big breaks in the case today) and this is one detail I need a source for or I won't include it. TIA!

It’s in this Gray Hughes show

 

[TruthSeeker1212]

Hard to say who is the leader, but Lori is claiming she's a God, and going to lead 144,000 people out when Christ comes this summer, and people have died mysteriously and disappeared around her... sorry but that is a text book DANGEROUS CULT no matter if there are 2 or 20,000 followers of it. Surprised Chad would hang with her, but hey, she's cute too? #Bonus And yes, RADAR is wrong, they were "involved" in PaP not leaders of it. Some of those people and those in AVOW may still follow the Daybells tho, would like to see that vetted out by LEA and MSM.

What proof do you have that Lori is claiming she's a God? Until I hear it directly from her mouth, I'm not inclined to believe everything written in a divorce document. Those can often be questionable as to the real truth.

 

[snoflake20]

What proof do you have that Lori is claiming she's a God? Until I hear it directly from her mouth, I'm not inclined to believe everything written in a divorce document. Those can often be questionable as to the real truth.

MOO Welcome to WEbSleuths! Have you joined us from the LDS Freedom Forum? Are you all caught up with reading our thread? If not maybe do that first before you join the conversation. MOO

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Why would those who speak to the media and the police be less believable than people who don't? I'm sure LE ask for corroboration before accepting someone's claims. A single death in this case could be a coincidence, but three? How could an attempted murder not be suspicious?

I had 3 family members die in one week. Suspicious to some could just be life for others. As for the attempted murder, I assume you're referring to BB...I could have my car window destroyed and say you attempted to murder me, does that make it true? Everything we know as of now is merely circumstantial, hence no arrests. MOO

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Do you hve any personal connection to the case or the cult?

What cult? Nope, no involvement whatsoever, but I don't buy into things as easily as others.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

What proof do you have that Lori is claiming she's a God? Until I hear it directly from her mouth, I'm not inclined to believe everything written in a divorce document. Those can often be questionable as to the real truth.

Exactly, but most take everything they read or get second hand as the gospel and prejudge before even having all the facts. I have to say the grandmother was smart about going to FB and the media to get their narrative out because people sure don't fair well in the court of public opinion. MOO

 

[cmiller8617]

What cult? Nope, no involvement whatsoever, but I don't buy into things as easily as others.

I get that you don't blindly accept everything reported in msm and by LE as truth. Just curious though. Do you have any gut instincts as to what might be going on in this case?

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Radar link

Aunt Of Missing Idaho Kids Reveals Their Mom & Stepdad's Involvement In Secret 'Cult'

"Woodcock said Daybell – who had written numerous books focusing on the end of the world – was kicked out of the Mormon church before leading Preparing A People.

“They say it’s Mormon based, but Chad Daybell was ex-communicated from the Mormon church and Lori will be too,” she said. “So it’s absolutely not Mormon, it’s a cult. Daybell wrote all these books with his own thoughts about things, and then it went from there.”

Now Woodcock, whose brother, Charles, was shot to death in July by his estranged wife Vallow’s brother, who died on December 12, revealed that her only hope is that her grandchildren can be brought back safely.

“I’m not worried for Lori one bit, she made her bed. My hope is that she gets apprehended and has to face a jury. That’s my hope. So that’s what we pray,” said Woodcock. “I quit worrying about her a long time ago when she wouldn’t let us see our [nephew] after my brother died, after he was murdered. After they murdered him, she would not allow me to see him or talk to him.” "

More at link.

MOO She better hope all these claims of her pan out. Otherwise I can see some slander cases coming in hers future. She's making some pretty strong claims against PAP without proof of any of it. That's just ignorant tbh.
*Edited to add an "s" to her.

 

[snoflake20]

I just found the “People You Ignore” link and it is really helpful. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

KW knows what she is doing by using the word "cult". She knows the reaction it gets, as has been demonstrated on this forum. People immediately think the worst. As has been discussed on this forum, anyone with unusual beliefs could be considered a cult, but that doesn't mean they would kill someone. She also has some "facts" about Chad wrong in the above article. Per discussions on other forums, people have seen evidence that Chad was not excommunicated and per the Preparing a People website, Chad did not lead Preparing a People. If this is the cult that she is talking about, then maybe there isn't a cult at all.

It is not only her saying this. Lawyers have put this into a document. Also now 3 people are dead and one other has had an attempt on his life and is in hiding with his own 4 kids terrified by this "cult" ( his words) that his wife has joined with her aunt Lori (ex husband deceased) and new husband Chad (ex wife deceased) and uncle Alex (now deceased also). You say folks think the worst but what could be worse than these facts? This woman has lied at least 3 times about her children's whereabouts, has stated she doesn't want them. LE have stated the kids are in SERIOUS DANGER and the FBI plus 3 separate states LE are involved. What more than that would you consider serious? I am genuinely wishing to know.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Stop immediately. Alex was a hitman, convicted!!

That's ludicrous! He was convicted of assult. Where is the proof he was a hitman? Again just because you say it, doesn't make it true!

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

I get that you don't blindly accept everything reported in msm and by LE as truth. Just curious though. Do you have any gut instincts as to what might be going on in this case?

I do, but I will keep them to myself until after the autopsy's come back. I could be completely off base with my feelings and honestly this case has enough speculation surrounding it already IMHO.

 

[Trask]

What proof do you have that Lori is claiming she's a God? Until I hear it directly from her mouth, I'm not inclined to believe everything written in a divorce document. Those can often be questionable as to the real truth.

For starters, the divorce document also said that Lori threatened to kill her husband if he got in her way and he was shot dead at her house four months later so I'd say Charles' claims carry a lot of credibilty.

 

[BigAl16]

For starters, the divorce document also said that Lori threatened to kill her husband if he got in her way and he was shot dead at her house four months later so I'd say Charles' claims carry a lot of credibilty.

I'm inclined to believe his "visions" before Chad's. MOO

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Duplicate quote and response DBM

It is not only her saying this. Lawyers have put this into a document. Also now 3 people are dead and one other has had an attempt on his life and is in hiding with his own 4 kids terrified by this "cult" ( his words) that his wife has joined with her aunt Lori (ex husband deceased) and new husband Chad (ex wife deceased) and uncle Alex (now deceased also). You say folks think the worst but what could be worse than these facts? This woman has lied at least 3 times about her children's whereabouts, has stated she doesn't want them. LE have stated the kids are in SERIOUS DANGER and the FBI plus 3 separate states LE are involved. What more than that would you consider serious? I am genuinely wishing to know.

Lawyers go by what they hear from their clients. It is not their duty, but rather the courts to decide if the accusations are true or false. Did Charles go into their office and tell them these things? Absolutely. Does it make what he said true though?