Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

[Tigerlily75]

In all the incidents (with perhaps the exception of JR), including: the deaths (CV, TD, and AC - whether they were due to natural causes or something else), the attempted shootings (BB - and I guess I consider that the paintball gun incident at TD's qualifies as an assault), the divorces (CV/LV, BB/MB, IP/former wife, and possibly others), and the marriages (CD/LD, AC/ZP, MB/IP), I think an argument could be made that a shared belief about end times could have played a role in certain individual's or couple's actions/behavior, and that in retrospect, perhaps a corresponding urgency was in evidence.

Over a period of just 5 1/2 months starting in July '19, the number of "incidents" is simply astonishing. People dying (or being shot at) in the midst of marital discord and/or shortly before a former spouse's marriage to another person (a time frame of between approx 3 and 6 weeks for 4 different couples). That's not to say that there's no evidence that some of these newly married individuals hadn't perhaps known one another for longer periods of time (before they either became divorced, or became a widow or widower).

But it just gives you the feeling that there's been an urgency to all these incidents - that each of the individuals (those still alive anyway) was for some reason rushing to get ready for something - perhaps the end times. I read that at one time Lori was predicting that the end times was imminent.

I say all this in an effort to help locate the children. If Chad & Lori (and possibly others) believed that the end was coming soon, could they have possibly sent the children to the area of Adam-ondi-Ahman, or Zion (reported to be in Missouri in the area of Gallatin, Jameson, and the north banks of the Grand River)? Could that location be where they themselves are ultimately headed? Same with MB/IP and possibly others with similar beliefs? Just wondering.

I do feel like they really believe the end of the world is upon us - like any day now (or July 2020 as Lori told Charles). As crazy as that is, to me it’s the most logical theory, the only thing that makes sense. Which says just how crazy this whole case is, because there’s really no sense to it at all!

But it really reminds me of The Walking Dead (zombie apocalypse tv show). At that point, all laws are out the window and you just do what you need to do. If that means killing someone who is in your way, you do it. It feels like that’s their mindset. Too much happened in that five months or so. Something has spurred them all on to move quickly.

It’s all just so weird.

MOO

 

[carbuff]

Here's a long article in the Billings Gazette about another end-time cult, Elizabeth Clare Prophet's church in the upper Yellowstone valley:

Church goes online, keeps bunker ready

They thought the world was going to end in 1990 and several thousand people streamed into tiny Corwin Springs, where they had built a series of bunkers. They settled in to wait for the end, which didn't come.

So yeah, I totally believe that Chad, Lori, the kids, and maybe a bunch of other people are hunkering down somewhere like this waiting for the earthquake that will signal the end.

 

[KonaHonu]

In all the incidents (with perhaps the exception of JR), including: the deaths (CV, TD, and AC - whether they were due to natural causes or something else), the attempted shootings (BB - and I guess I consider that the paintball gun incident at TD's qualifies as an assault), the divorces (CV/LV, BB/MB, IP/former wife, and possibly others), and the marriages (CD/LD, AC/ZP, MB/IP), I think an argument could be made that a shared belief about end times could have played a role in certain individual's or couple's actions/behavior, and that in retrospect, perhaps a corresponding urgency was in evidence.

Over a period of just 5 1/2 months starting in July '19, the number of "incidents" is simply astonishing. People dying (or being shot at) in the midst of marital discord and/or shortly before a former spouse's marriage to another person (a time frame of between approx 3 and 6 weeks for 4 different couples). That's not to say that there's no evidence that some of these newly married individuals hadn't perhaps known one another for longer periods of time (before they either became divorced, or became a widow or widower).

But it just gives you the feeling that there's been an urgency to all these incidents - that each of the individuals (those still alive anyway) was for some reason rushing to get ready for something - perhaps the end times. I read that at one time Lori was predicting that the end times was imminent.

I say all this in an effort to help locate the children. If Chad & Lori (and possibly others) believed that the end was coming soon, could they have possibly sent the children to the area of Adam-ondi-Ahman, or Zion (reported to be in Missouri in the area of Gallatin, Jameson, and the north banks of the Grand River)? Could that location be where they themselves are ultimately headed? Same with MB/IP and possibly others with similar beliefs? Just wondering.

Normally I trim quotes to the part I'm commenting on but in this case I'm making a holistic comment so leaving the whole thing.

I'm usually a skeptical guy. Any one of these incidents, perhaps several together, could be written off as coincidence. But the sudden avalanche of bizarre and serious events cannot be ignored. Something is driving these people to extreme deeds. I would not be too surprised if this is much bigger than CD/LV/TR/JJ. We may be looking at a large group prepping for something big. Let's face it, if you are among the chosen and the second coming is imminent, you have nothing to lose. I know that is speculation and may not be allowed here. But I'm just saying that the mindset of these people may be very dangerous.

I'm very curious whether others in the area are "missing." Maybe they are not technically missing but have taken extended trips, leaves-of-absence from work, and so forth. Has the niece's new hubby been at work for example?

My gut tells me there is a much bigger story here.

 

[Avocado49]

I live in Hawaii. There are some serious offgridders and new agers here. And there is a large LDS community. But the LDS community seems to be fairly mainstream. A lot of whackiness happens here but I have never heard of anything associated even remotely with LDS or end-times.

You also have to remember that Hawaii requires a plane flight. That creates a travel record so by now LE know if they came here and exactly when.

It makes sense to me that they came here and got married. But there will be records. Marriage licenses in Hawaii are not public record.

I don’t really think they ever came to Hawaii, Chad just “said“ he was going there, to grieve.
Maybe Lori and Chad had planned to at some point, but there was the issue of how to make the kids disappear, and probably realized there would be flight records, and instead decided to stick around in Rexberg instead and lay low, and figure out how to get AC and MB married into the cult, etc., and Chad should go to the family TG vacation and explain his new marriage to the kids/get their “support”.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

I don't believe Charles's death was anything other than a premeditated murder. But playing devil's advocate here...

Is it possible that the pool party was spontaneous because the police were processing the crime scene and kept them out of the interior of the house? And frankly, it would not even be suspicious for her to be celebrating his death. They were involved in a contentious divorce after all. CV having been killed in self defense and LV celebrating openly are not contradictory and in my mind would not necessarily raise suspicions with the police.

Or...KVW and LW, in their press conference said that JJ loved to swim. Maybe they were keeping him occupied in the pool and making noise after the mornings events. Landlord never said cars were sighted as in people in attendance. He said only that neighbors complained about the music and yelling. MOO

 

[KonaHonu]

the medication Risperidone.

Risperidone is not a controlled substance. It could likely be bought in Mexico or even in the US and stockpiled.

 

[snoflake20]

Court documents: Lori Vallow's brother threatened to kill her 3rd husband in Texas

Nothing really new from the Twitter post this afternoon... The video has a voice clip of the principal of the school JJ was enrolled in. Said he was there for 3 weeks and Lori said she was going to homeschool.

 

[snoflake20]

I don’t really think they ever came to Hawaii, Chad just “said“ he was going there, to grieve.
Maybe Lori and Chad had planned to at some point, but there was the issue of how to make the kids disappear, and probably realized there would be flight records, and instead decided to stick around in Rexberg instead and lay low, and figure out how to get AC and MB married into the cult, etc., and Chad should go to the family TG vacation and explain his new marriage to the kids/get their “support”.

I thought @Maxxer500 confirmed Chad was in Hawaii? I pulled this from his post on the #2 thread.

The last time I personally was in contact with Chad was probably Tammy's funeral, and for some family members about a week after remarrying (I heard about him marrying Lori exactly 2 weeks after Tammy's funeral). He included nothing about kids and said he would never visit the family in Utah or something like that. We were all pretty upset by that, because it felt disrespectful to Tammy's memory to instantly detach from the family. At the time he was in Hawaii and apparently told his parents they were free to visit, though I don't know if they did. No one knew he planned to remarry, and we were all in disbelief at the fact that he would remarry 2 weeks after Tammy's death. (I wanted to add: this marriage, if actually officiated, must have been a civil marriage. Getting a temple marriage for your first marriage is enough of a process as it is, let alone this being a 2nd or 5th/6th marriage.) BBM

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Normally I trim quotes to the part I'm commenting on but in this case I'm making a holistic comment so leaving the whole thing.

I'm usually a skeptical guy. Any one of these incidents, perhaps several together, could be written off as coincidence. But the sudden avalanche of bizarre and serious events cannot be ignored. Something is driving these people to extreme deeds. I would not be too surprised if this is much bigger than CD/LV/TR/JJ. We may be looking at a large group prepping for something big. Let's face it, if you are among the chosen and the second coming is imminent, you have nothing to lose. I know that is speculation and may not be allowed here. But I'm just saying that the mindset of these people may be very dangerous.

I'm very curious whether others in the area are "missing." Maybe they are not technically missing but have taken extended trips, leaves-of-absence from work, and so forth. Has the niece's new hubby been at work for example?

My gut tells me there is a much bigger story here.

I've been going down that rabbit hole and the best I can tell is a man that was ex'd back in Feb. '19 seems to be MIA. No podcasts. No website. Nothing. Goes by the initials MS. I thought it highly coincidencial that his exing came in Feb. just about the time LV disappeared and was said to have taken the $35,000 out of CV,s business acct. MOO

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I think it happened in Hawaii, specifically Kauai, based only upon Lori’s Instagram name. lolo4kauai , and a couple of photos a friend posted of Lori and Tylee in July of 2018. The photos were also tagged with the St. Regis Princeville Resort and Kauai Beach Resort. Both spots look like good places for a beach wedding/honeymoon. I’ve tried to look for a marriage certificate there, but I don’t think these are public. MOO

I was married there 34 years ago and if I recall correctly the small town about 10 miles east of Princeville is where you get your license. . We get married at the Coconut Grove which I don’t think is there anymore. I don’t thinkthere online, I tried to look for it didn’t get very far.

 

[Redvines86]

I thought @Maxxer500 confirmed Chad was in Hawaii? I pulled this from his post on the #2 thread.

The last time I personally was in contact with Chad was probably Tammy's funeral, and for some family members about a week after remarrying (I heard about him marrying Lori exactly 2 weeks after Tammy's funeral). He included nothing about kids and said he would never visit the family in Utah or something like that. We were all pretty upset by that, because it felt disrespectful to Tammy's memory to instantly detach from the family. At the time he was in Hawaii and apparently told his parents they were free to visit, though I don't know if they did. No one knew he planned to remarry, and we were all in disbelief at the fact that he would remarry 2 weeks after Tammy's death. (I wanted to add: this marriage, if actually officiated, must have been a civil marriage. Getting a temple marriage for your first marriage is enough of a process as it is, let alone this being a 2nd or 5th/6th marriage.) BBM

I think it was that Chad said he was in Hawaii, but there was never proof

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Second degree felony-so how was he able to legally purchase a gun?

I had remembered that he spent 1.5 years in prison for that assault,. I think he was able to buy the gun because he had completed parole then took the steps to get his rights restored? I’m a bit surprised on that if he actually did it.

 

[Mamabirdz]

I am kind of fuzzy on details about what I can and cannot post. If I have a video of Chad with PAP that I have uploaded on my vimeo, can I link to it? Or would that be against the rules since it’s not the original link to the original video? It’s been deleted, but I had downloaded it prior to PAP removing all of their content.

 

[snoflake20]

I've been going down that rabbit hole and the best I can tell is a man that was ex'd back in Feb. '19 seems to be MIA. No podcasts. No website. Nothing. Goes by the initials MS. I thought it highly coincidencial that his exing came in Feb. just about the time LV disappeared and was said to have taken the $35,000 out of CV,s business acct. MOO

Ok, so I looked this podcaster up and found a transcript of his podcast. I skimmed it, since I don't know anything about LDS beliefs, but I am familiar with Lori's/Chad's based on what I have heard on their podcasts/read on this case, so a few words stood out to me in these paragraphs.

http://briscoefamily.com/stroud/Podcast_053_the_tip_of_the_spear.pdf
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The tip of the spear is a small group of young men and women who are ordained, and have received this ordinance from God himself, or through authorized immortal non-Telestial beings. Angels who have a charge from God, translated being from the City of Enoch who are charged with administering this ordinance. So that tip of the spear, I like that the phraseology. I thought that was really neat.

This is your very, very beginning Vanguard. This is what was referred to by another person as the first wave of persons who have received an ordination and the ordinance of translation. These people then are authorized because of this godly heavenly ordination ordinance. They are authorized now to go out and do that same ordination ordinance, to perform that same, and administer that same ordinance to other gatherers.

So the first group of “gather the gatherers,” and all of these gatherers then end up being part of that rescue group, the 144,000, who end up translated beings, men and women, whose job it is to rescue pockets of Latter-Day Saints, and good men and women everywhere from among all the nations of the earth. These are those who find themselves in a hopeless situation because of the environment that accompanies the Earth's history at this time, which is an environment of collapse, loss of law, and anarchy. And these people without this rescue group; and now I’ve just mentioned, there are two groups within that rescue group, “The Tip of the Spear” and then the remainder of that group who go out and perform this ordinance and bring them to Zion, with songs of everlasting joy.
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This sounds like nonsense to most people, but it also sounds a bit like what Lori was saying to Charles in her divorce documents. Does she think she is apart of the "tip of the spear"? Not sure why I'm bothering with all this, but maybe its a clue for someone who understands this stuff?

Alittle more research shows that MS was at the PAP event in Mesa, AZ, November 2018 Preparing A People Podcast Network | Himalaya Here's the podcast description: Mike Stroud - “Accessing the Fullness of the Atonement of Jesus Christ” PAP Special Event, Mesa, ArizonaWe certainly loved hearing from Mike Stroud this past weekend at the Mesa Preparing A People event. He’s a good decent extremely humble man who loves the Lord and his fellow travelers. Thanks again Mike for sharing what you know, and along with all our other great speakers, thanks for a very memorable experience!

 

[snoflake20]

Ok, so I looked this podcaster up and found a transcript of his podcast. I skimmed it, since I don't know anything about LDS beliefs, but I am familiar with Lori's/Chad's based on what I have heard on their podcasts/read on this case, so a few words stood out to me in these paragraphs.

http://briscoefamily.com/stroud/Podcast_053_the_tip_of_the_spear.pdf
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The tip of the spear is a small group of young men and women who are ordained, and have received this ordinance from God himself, or through authorized immortal non-Telestial beings. Angels who have a charge from God, translated being from the City of Enoch who are charged with administering this ordinance. So that tip of the spear, I like that the phraseology. I thought that was really neat.

This is your very, very beginning Vanguard. This is what was referred to by another person as the first wave of persons who have received an ordination and the ordinance of translation. These people then are authorized because of this godly heavenly ordination ordinance. They are authorized now to go out and do that same ordination ordinance, to perform that same, and administer that same ordinance to other gatherers.

So the first group of “gather the gatherers,” and all of these gatherers then end up being part of that rescue group, the 144,000, who end up translated beings, men and women, whose job it is to rescue pockets of Latter-Day Saints, and good men and women everywhere from among all the nations of the earth. These are those who find themselves in a hopeless situation because of the environment that accompanies the Earth's history at this time, which is an environment of collapse, loss of law, and anarchy. And these people without this rescue group; and now I’ve just mentioned, there are two groups within that rescue group, “The Tip of the Spear” and then the remainder of that group who go out and perform this ordinance and bring them to Zion, with songs of everlasting joy.
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This sounds like nonsense to most people, but it also sounds a bit like what Lori was saying to Charles in her divorce documents. Does she think she is apart of the "tip of the spear"? Not sure why I'm bothering with all this, but maybe its a clue for someone who understands this stuff?

Alittle more research shows that MS was at the PAP event in Mesa, AZ, November 2018 Preparing A People Podcast Network | Himalaya Here's the podcast description: Mike Stroud - “Accessing the Fullness of the Atonement of Jesus Christ” PAP Special Event, Mesa, ArizonaWe certainly loved hearing from Mike Stroud this past weekend at the Mesa Preparing A People event. He’s a good decent extremely humble man who loves the Lord and his fellow travelers. Thanks again Mike for sharing what you know, and along with all our other great speakers, thanks for a very memorable experience!

Just a reminder who Mike is, he's a PAP podcaster who was excommunicated in Feb.2019, and spoke at a PAP conference in Meza, AZ in November 2018, a month before Lori starts podcasting on PAP.

Well I might as well just keep putting what I've found here. Worst that can happen is its deleted by morning.

http://briscoefamily.com/stroud/Podcast_029_Pwr_in_the_Priesthood.pdf
Student: Does the enemy have power over these translated beings? Mike: No, they are beyond that situation. These are men and women that now have power over all the earthly elements. A mixture of these are people who are on the earth right now that are within the membership of the Church, a remnant that is being prepared, and then with that, you'll also have a group that return with the City of Enoch that will join them. These are the people that are going to be the messengers, rescuers, to catch people who are trapped in pockets of the world when the world collapses in a general collapse. Student: Bro. Stroud, are these the 144,000? Mike: These are the 144,000 and it's my personal opinion, and I can't prove this, but, that 's not an exact number. It represents a group of people. I personally believe that it could be a bunch more than 144,000. I believe that it's men and women and it can even be husband and wife pairs that go out.

Maybe this is why everyone decided to marry so quickly? MOOOOOOO

 

[Colorado303]

See, now I'm thinking someone suggested to JJ's birth mom that she get out on social media in the hope/thoughts that Lori valued/was fond of her, and might have some sway in the matter.

I’m still behind so apologize if someone said this already.

IMO the value of statements by JJ’s birth Mom isn’t to provide new information but to let JJ and/or people harboring him know that his real Mom is out there and cares about him.

 

[Bray2020]

Another question about Mormon beliefs...Do regular Mormons believe in reincarnation? (I don't intend that to be a loaded question. I'm wondering what most regular people believe rather than what the official theology might teach.)

No, it's not a standard belief but the Julie Rowe crowd is into near death experiences, and they reference some experiences that could be interpreted as reincarnation. This group is definitely free and loose with the way they're interpreting the beliefs. With that said, I do have some friends that are really into try to reach spirits, dreams, visions, etc.

Ok, so I looked this podcaster up and found a transcript of his podcast. I skimmed it, since I don't know anything about LDS beliefs, but I am familiar with Lori's/Chad's based on what I have heard on their podcasts/read on this case, so a few words stood out to me in these paragraphs.

http://briscoefamily.com/stroud/Podcast_053_the_tip_of_the_spear.pdf
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The tip of the spear is a small group of young men and women who are ordained, and have received this ordinance from God himself, or through authorized immortal non-Telestial beings. Angels who have a charge from God, translated being from the City of Enoch who are charged with administering this ordinance. So that tip of the spear, I like that the phraseology. I thought that was really neat.

This is your very, very beginning Vanguard. This is what was referred to by another person as the first wave of persons who have received an ordination and the ordinance of translation. These people then are authorized because of this godly heavenly ordination ordinance. They are authorized now to go out and do that same ordination ordinance, to perform that same, and administer that same ordinance to other gatherers.

So the first group of “gather the gatherers,” and all of these gatherers then end up being part of that rescue group, the 144,000, who end up translated beings, men and women, whose job it is to rescue pockets of Latter-Day Saints, and good men and women everywhere from among all the nations of the earth. These are those who find themselves in a hopeless situation because of the environment that accompanies the Earth's history at this time, which is an environment of collapse, loss of law, and anarchy. And these people without this rescue group; and now I’ve just mentioned, there are two groups within that rescue group, “The Tip of the Spear” and then the remainder of that group who go out and perform this ordinance and bring them to Zion, with songs of everlasting joy.
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This sounds like nonsense to most people, but it also sounds a bit like what Lori was saying to Charles in her divorce documents. Does she think she is apart of the "tip of the spear"? Not sure why I'm bothering with all this, but maybe its a clue for someone who understands this stuff?

There's a lot going on in here. It's repetitive and hard to read, but I got through some of it. So, he's basically saying there are some people who have had their election made sure. Having your election made sure means you're going to the highest level of heaven, and you're going to be a god. Some say there is no way to lose your heavenly election once you have it, others say you can lose it if you shed innocent blood. The Church of the Firstborn(in this context) is referring to a heavenly church.

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[Mamabirdz]

A little more research shows that MS was at the PAP event in Mesa, AZ, November 2018 Preparing A People Podcast Network | Himalaya Here's the podcast description: Mike Stroud - “Accessing the Fullness of the Atonement of Jesus Christ” PAP Special Event, Mesa, ArizonaWe certainly loved hearing from Mike Stroud this past weekend at the Mesa Preparing A People event. He’s a good decent extremely humble man who loves the Lord and his fellow travelers. Thanks again Mike for sharing what you know, and along with all our other great speakers, thanks for a very memorable experience!

I have gone quite far into the PAP rabbit hole, and any time I speak out about it, I am quickly shut down and nobody wants to hear what I have to say. I have video of that Mesa event, and I am nearly positive that Alex is in that video. Who knows though. There are a lot of MS fans too, so be prepared for some resilience on this topic. I will say this though. PAP is far more involved in this than they want people to believe. AVOW isn’t hiding anything, but PAP is freaking out. Deleting their entire site, not just the stuff about chad....there’s much more than meets the eye. MOO

ETA: I messed up the quote thing and my brain isn’t working because I’m so sick and on pain killers, so I’m not going to try and fix it. But you get what my point was, I’m sure. Lol

 

[Colorado303]

I don't recall. I'm sorry I didn't pay as much attention in the past. While I was attuned to the circumstances as odd, I didn't remember until after FBI investigation and LE presence.

At that time was there any speculation that Tammy’s death might not have been natural, or did the exhumation come as a huge shock to those that knew Tammy and Chad?

 

[snoflake20]

No, it's not a standard belief but the Julie Rowe crowd is into near death experiences, and they reference some experiences that could be interpreted as reincarnation. This group is definitely free and loose with the way they're interpreting the beliefs. With that said, I do have some friends that are really into try to reach spirits, dreams, visions, etc.


There's a lot going on in here. It's repetitive and hard to read, but I got through some of it. So, he's basically saying there are some people who have had their election made sure. Having your election made sure means you're going to the highest level of heaven, and you're going to be a god. Some say there is no way to lose your heavenly election once you have it, others say you can lose it if you shed innocent blood. The Church of the Firstborn(in this context) is referring to a heavenly church.

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Thank you for the context! I don't want this all to turn into a debate on religion. I just want to understand more what Lori and Chad may believe, and if that has any sway on their actions or where they might be.