Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

[Colorado303]

ok. Working from a psychology side. Moo

lori: Beloved mother for some time. But that changed. Kids: she wasn’t interested when CV was alive. Is she now? Very pretty. Seems manipulative. IMO.

chad: Average guy married since you 1992. To what seems to be. Great wife. I am sure they had their problems like all married couples do.

She tunes out of his forum posting as most spouses do after time. His books are a hit with LDS fiction. Not a bad guy.. yet.

secret lives: Both Chad and Lori are stoking each other’s “spiritual gifts”, when no one else really is. They fall for each other because they “get” one another. When no one else does.

hmmm. Kids. What would you do? That is the answer to finding them.

If you’re a normal person you either keep them with you and deal or find someone else to take care of them. If you are a soulless sociopath/psychopath like Chris Watts you appear to be a loving parent until the kids become inconvenient and then you kill them in the most expedient way possible. And dispose of them in some unthinkable manner.

MOO

 

[Idaholocal]

Duplicate DBM

 

[PheonixWolf]

The FBI has absolute authority to assert jurisdiction over any missing child case or criminal act anywhere in the country and require no ruling by judges nor acquiescence from local or state authorities. The FBI will do so in certain specific cases rather than all of them. In this case they are assisting at the moment but the level of their involvement can change at any time from no longer assisting up to asserting that they are the lead agency handling the case.

I agree. But there has to be declared a missing children’s case from the local jurisdiction.

 

[Colorado303]

What was your opinion of the warrior up one that had them both on? I think you can post your opinion of it.

Yes, as they are both POI’s now you should be able to speak to what they’ve said in podcasts.

 

[BigAl16]

BBM
To me, the value of having a discussion on how closely (or not) their beliefs align with mainstream LDS teaching, is to come to the understanding that what might be seen as way out there to one member might seem commonplace or relatively normal (or at least neutral) to another. A response I got earlier ( sorry will try to find it and edit) indicated that perhaps this prepper mentality was completely normal, maybe the visions, dead relatives bringing messages, etc. were too. They certainly didn't seem to get much pushback or admonishment that maybe they were going overboard. That wasn't really my experience, possibly because I grew up in a very large city (urban vs. rural). Prepping was aiming for a full freezer and pantry, and 72 hour backpack kits. No firearms, ammo etc.
All that really to say that yes, I believe the greater church leadership should speak up on behalf of these children, instead of hiding behind excuses like Chad and Lori are so out there it wouldn't matter, or this isn't an LDS problem, or even worse, we might get in legal trouble. There is no reason they shouldn't put the message out to as many members as possible. What Chad and Lori are doing is wrong, and that should be broadcast to anyone who knows them and is possibly assisting them. It's been weeks since this has been made public, there is absolutely no excuse for the church to sit idle while the kids are in danger. Moo.

I think you're onto something in that first part. I, at least at the ages when I think I have a reasonable grasp on things, was living in suburban Idaho and think a lot of the things that you use as examples above would have drawn more attention and be perceived as off the wall. But then we'd visit my grandparents in rural Idaho and hear one of my uncle's government conspiracy theories (one of my siblings thought his name was John Birch) and the locals who didn't agree would just laugh it off while others joined the crusade. I'm not sure that you get more or less off the wall thinking in rural areas. I just think those in other areas fly under the radar more and are perceived as less normal.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Another was called for the position by December and we released him at that point (wards vote in congregation to initiate such callings, but a simple sign of thanks when releasing). I remember checking the ward roster (LDS Tools app) after he left and his name still being there through November. I don't specifically remember it being removed, but it isn't there now. I assumed he moved his records to wherever he moved to (maybe the Pioneer Road address?).

FWIW and I can't confirm, but it's been said that no records were found for him or Lori in that ward.

 

[fred&edna]

I found this podcast/YT video interesting simply because there is a criminal def attorney speaking about some of the events in this case. While I believe they miss a few details, I still think the overall legal viewpoints are worthwhile.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I agree. But there has to be declared a missing children’s case from the local jurisdiction.

There is. The story that started this is that the children are missing and endangered. The children are listed on NMEC which does not happen unless there is an existing case.

 

[PheonixWolf]

The FBI has absolute authority to assert jurisdiction over any missing child case or criminal act anywhere in the country and require no ruling by judges nor acquiescence from local or state authorities. The FBI will do so in certain specific cases rather than all of them. In this case they are assisting at the moment but the level of their involvement can change at any time from no longer assisting up to asserting that they are the lead agency handling the case.

So after looking at this again. I agree and disagree. The FBI does not have absolute authority in America. The majority authority rests with local powers. Police, Sheriff etc. Those agencies can and have arrested FBI etc for obstruction because they have not authority.

However. When a case is presented by local LE to the FBI for help they will assist in an advisory role until their case is cross states, etc or FBI jurisdiction. To my knowledge the local sheriff/pd has not given jurisdiction to the FBI at this point. Which means the FBI take their orders from the chief or sheriff at the moment. However. If a felony charge was placed by any agency az, id, ut, etc. it’s
My understanding that if that charge involved crossing states or state lines then the FBI could take control and jurisdiction and I believe in his would end quickly.

 

[PheonixWolf]

So after looking at this again. I agree and disagree. The FBI does not have absolute authority in America. The majority authority rests with local powers. Police, Sheriff etc. Those agencies can and have arrested FBI etc for obstruction because they have not authority.

However. When a case is presented by local LE to the FBI for help they will assist in an advisory role until their case is cross states, etc or FBI jurisdiction. To my knowledge the local sheriff/pd has not given jurisdiction to the FBI at this point. Which means the FBI take their orders from the chief or sheriff at the moment. However. If a felony charge was placed by any agency az, id, ut, etc. it’s
My understanding that if that charge involved crossing states or state lines then the FBI could take control and jurisdiction and I believe in his would end quickly.

Either way... What. Can I do to help find those kids. That’s all I really care about. Does anyone have ideas?

 

[PheonixWolf]

Honestly I’m not going to re-answer something we already discussed for pages and it’s all still there, if you’re interested it’s a few threads back.

ok. (Still didn’t find it. Lol. ). Hope the best!

 

[BigAl16]

LDS Church tops 16.3 million members, but number reflects lowest net increase in 40 years

The LDS Church should keep tabs on 16 million people and comment on every one of the 16 million that have gone astray? Consider this case mentioned in the MSM.

A Woman Sued the Mormon Church For Reporting Her Husband's Child Sexual Abuse Confession

Apples and oranges. Has absolutely nothing to do with the point being made. Or if it does, so does this in showing that they don't speak up when they should.

Mormon church reaches settlement in suit alleging it ignored West Virginia abuse

 

[BigAl16]

ok. (Still didn’t find it. Lol. ). Hope the best!

Possibly deleted?

 

[LHS]

PAP were the ones that pulled the podcasts on their own volition. I believe they still have copies of them they are likely allowing LE to review, but they pulled them, horrified and not wanting to promote something they didn't intend. They said as much themselves publicly, and this was referenced quite some time back.

Patriarchs give a once in a lifetime blessing. These blessings are often 1-3 pages typed on average and are not in massive amounts of detail. They see each individual only once and usually do not form any specific personal relationship with them. According to LDS beliefs, they hold the priesthood keys and authority to give these kinds of blessings. There is a line of authority for all the various parts of how this church operates, and what's occurred with Chad is a possible breach of that concept. He claims to be receiving revelation that is outside of his jurisdiction for lack of a better word. LDS call that stewardship. Technically only the Prophet/President has the authority to receive revelation from God for the entire church. This is where a lot of these sorts of people, including Julie Rowe, went astray.

There is a lot of latitude given for LDS members to prepare in ways they feel specifically prompted to do. To my knowledge the church advocates for emergency preparedness, but doesn't typically include guns and ammo and bunkers and so on. Those are things some members choose for themselves. Prepping is fairly normal, though not all LDS members do this. It depends on their personal choice on how involved in that aspect they are.

I know that it took years for the church to excommunicate Julie Rowe. These things are handled by local lay clergy, and the locals are not always fully aware of the extent of things going on with online groups or other things right off. It's highly likely Chad flew under the radar for a very long time. Even the one author I am close friends with who knows Chad personally said today on the phone with me that she is shocked by all this. She felt Chad was going down a path that wasn't good, but this whole thing is not something she could have ever guessed.

 

[PheonixWolf]

There is. The story that started this is that the children are missing and endangered. The children are listed on NMEC which does not happen unless there is an existing case.

Understand but LE have been very quiet. What vehicles are we looking for? What state is their license? Who are we looking for? Is this a runaway or an endangered person? What areas should be watchful? Florida?


Edit. Sorry. Just frustrated. I know all here want the same thing.

 

[Gigi3]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but JR has a new YT video up discussing this case again.

I know I can’t link to it, and it’s hard to listen to her spew her crap, BUT sounds like she may be crawfishing a little. IDK for sure because I haven’t finished yet.

Someone pretty please listen and tell me what you think?? Thanks!

MOO and all that!

 

[LHS]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but JR has a new YT video up discussing this case again.

I know I can’t link to it, and it’s hard to listen to her spew her crap, BUT sounds like she may be crawfishing a little. IDK for sure because I haven’t finished yet.

Someone pretty please listen and tell me what you think?? Thanks!

MOO and all that!

I'll go listen.

 

[Gigi3]

I'll go listen.

Thanks!

 

[txl]

Apples and oranges. Has absolutely nothing to do with the point being made. Or if it does, so does this in showing that they don't speak up when they should.

Mormon church reaches settlement in suit alleging it ignored West Virginia abuse

Respectfully agree to disagree. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I think most can agree that Lori 100% is responsible, Chad to an unknown, but not zero degree. The LDS church, its officials, its current members, and its official doctrine are not responsible for any of this.

 

[whiskeysurgeon]

Again. So what is the point of patriarchal blssings? Isn’t this an extension sir of what lori and chad were accused of? Is personal revelation within that same belief?

This is my first comment on this forum as I haven’t felt I could contribute anything of value until now, although I have followed along on here since day one.

I am an Ex Mormon, but received my patriarchal blessing when I was 17. I met the patriarch of our Stake the day of my blessing and saw him once again when he delivered a hard copy to me (in which he had changed something pretty significant from his verbal blessing) and then never saw him again.
It’s a blessing delivered by the Patriarch much like a prayer as he lays his hands on your head. It’s a very reverent process and the things said in the blessing are considered sacred to members, often only sharing the details with ones parents and spouses. As someone else mentioned, it is intended to be a guide to ones life, often giving specific examples of how you’ll be blessed based off of your worthiness and devotion to the restored gospel and its teachings. Although they often read like a prophecy, it is given with the understanding that you have free agency and your actions in life will have an affect on these promises. Some are pretty vague and general, while others (like my own) deliver pretty hefty promises of a future roll one might play within their life or within the church. Since I’m no longer a member, I feel now like it’s more of a tool used to further indoctrinate it’s members. Mine put a great deal of pressure on me to continue to act faithful way past my first inclination that this religion was not for me.
It is possible that Chad or Lori have patriarchal blessings that they’ve interpreted in a way that they feel justifies their behavior, but that’s the thing, they’re most always just vague enough that one can often gather many interpretations of their own blessing. It’s very unlikely that a patriarch or their patriarchal blessing would be of any help in this investigation. MOO