Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

[Redvines86]

We still don't know exactly when Lori and Chad became acquainted, right?

Totally my opinion, big time, but I strongly believe 2015. I think it started as an emotional affair, and moved on to physical who knows when. That was the time of the move to Rexburg, I think he wanted to get away from Springville where both he and Tammy's families live, as well as it's much cheaper to buy a home and live in Rexburg. I also see a big change in Chad at this time.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

We still don't know exactly when Lori and Chad became acquainted, right?

As I understand it she was a big fan of his books, and then from there possibly stalked him and laid the bait.

She was cute and gave him lots of attention on the road, maybe his big head wasn’t ready for that.

 

[fred&edna]

Totally my opinion, big time, but I strongly believe 2015. I think it started as an emotional affair, and moved on to physical who knows when. That was the time of the move to Rexburg, I think he wanted to get away from Springville where both he and Tammy's families live, as well as it's much cheaper to buy a home and live in Rexburg.

I wondered if it possibly coincided with the Daybell move... something like that. Hmmm

Also, when were the Escape to Zion/Emma books released?

 

[lurker042]

So, folks in the ward (and Chad’s family) knew about his remarriage, and heard he was living in town.

I knew nothing about this whole fiasco until shortly before Christmas. So everyone in the ward did not know. I would say a select few knew what was going on.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

We still don't know exactly when Lori and Chad became acquainted, right?

I'm saying I'm not too sure that Chad hasn't been duped. But who knows. Lori is the main character in this story. Jmo.

I have a different opinion of him I think. I don’t see him as a “lover of his wife” so to speak. I think he disrespected her with every story he told of past girlfriends, etc, that were not needed. I take that gregarious “full of myself” personality and see it easily becoming I can profit off of this “theology” and have some fun (sex with a pretty woman) while doing it. There is a reason the sheriff said they see a red flag with the life insurance of Tammy. (Don’t quote me. But he said they are looking into it after reporter asked if Tammy had a large policy).

I think we can’t comprehend what they would do IF they believe their calling is to lead the chosen and that they CAN lead from the other side of the veil. I think Julie thinks she is the authority or mouthpiece for the chosen. And, if they are together, they could have been stockpiling for awhile.

I don’t recall when we decided they met possibly, but that definitely doesn’t take into account any private messaging on a forum like avow.
I bet that will be found out with the computer seizure though!

In case anyone is interested, it is easy to search for JR’s writings on the forum avow and thoughts on her by others. Just a simple google search with “username” added should yield results. It is easy to see how this happened, imho. Slippery slope.

 

[Redvines86]

I have a different opinion of him I think. I don’t see him as a “lover of his wife” so to speak. I think he disrespected her with every story he told of past girlfriends, etc, that were not needed. I take that gregarious “full of myself” personality and see it easily becoming I can profit off of this “theology” and have some fun (sex with a pretty woman) while doing it. There is a reason the sheriff said they see a red flag with the life insurance of Tammy. (Don’t quote me. But he said they are looking into it after reporter asked if Tammy had a large policy).

I think we can’t comprehend what they would do IF they believe their calling is to lead the chosen and that they CAN lead from the other side of the veil. I think Julie thinks she is the authority or mouthpiece for the chosen. And, if they are together, they could have been stockpiling for awhile.

I don’t recall when we decided they met possibly, but that definitely doesn’t take into account any private messaging on a forum like avow.
I bet that will be found out with the computer seizure though!

In case anyone is interested, it is easy to search for JR’s writings on the forum avow and thoughts on her by others. Just a simple google search with “username” added should yield results. It is easy to see how this happened, imho. Slippery slope.

I thought it very interesting when she said PAP is not a cult, LDS is not a cult, but she didn't say a word about AVOW.

 

[Redvines86]

I wondered if it possibly coincided with the Daybell move... something like that. Hmmm

Also, when were the Escape to Zion/Emma books released?

The first Emma book was when grownup daughter Emma was a little girl

 

[diggndeeperstill]

duplicate

 

[fred&edna]

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In case anyone is interested, it is easy to search for JR’s writings on the forum avow and thoughts on her by others. Just a simple google search with “username” added should yield results. It is easy to see how this happened, imho. Slippery slope.

RSBM

I haven't had much success with locating her posts. I can only see the list of members and their status (off/on line).

 

[diggndeeperstill]

@fred&edna Do a google search ... others repost her prior posts in blogs. Or another forum. Her adversaries

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[fred&edna]

@fred&edna Do a google search ... others repost her prior posts in blogs. Or another forum. Her adversaries

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Okay, I've seen her posts on other sites.

I just haven't been able to access direct google cached/previous comments she made on avow, itself.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I have a different opinion of him I think. I don’t see him as a “lover of his wife” so to speak. I think he disrespected her with every story he told of past girlfriends, etc, that were not needed. I take that gregarious “full of myself” personality and see it easily becoming I can profit off of this “theology” and have some fun (sex with a pretty woman) while doing it. There is a reason the sheriff said they see a red flag with the life insurance of Tammy. (Don’t quote me. But he said they are looking into it after reporter asked if Tammy had a large policy).

I think we can’t comprehend what they would do IF they believe their calling is to lead the chosen and that they CAN lead from the other side of the veil. I think Julie thinks she is the authority or mouthpiece for the chosen. And, if they are together, they could have been stockpiling for awhile.

I don’t recall when we decided they met possibly, but that definitely doesn’t take into account any private messaging on a forum like avow.
I bet that will be found out with the computer seizure though!

In case anyone is interested, it is easy to search for JR’s writings on the forum avow and thoughts on her by others. Just a simple google search with “username” added should yield results. It is easy to see how this happened, imho. Slippery slope.

I agree he was very condescending regarding his wife. I, personally, feel there's an undercurrent of immaturity with him. A lot of his grandstanding sounded like "locker room peacocks".

Another reason I suspect he might have trailed along with Lori like an adolescent. Jmo

 

[diggndeeperstill]

The money issue (Charles Vallow's money) is probably the current favorite with Chad and Lori's apologists. Charles Vallow's sister refused to discuss details in the last media interview.

You’d have to assume there were no other sources of funds in order for this to be true. I myself, think there may have been.

 

[snoflake20]

@fred&edna Do a google search ... others repost her prior posts in blogs. Or another forum. Her adversaries

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Thanks for this tip. I was able to find a post of her epic collapse timeline, that references Chad Daybell a few times and lines up with what I heard from Chad in his January 2019 podcast. The timeline predictions are from 2016 but it seems like they may have recently updated them for 2019/2020

 

[Rush4087]

I’ve been thinking about the interview with Lori’s Rexburg neighbor. JJ said he was going to visit grandma. This must be the Arizona grandmother, Lori’s mom? So Alex drives, “Tylee’s Jeep” down to Arizona with the kids the week of Sept. 23 since he’s there Oct. 2 to shoot at Brandon. Kids are never seen in Rexburg again. So I think the children are in Arizona, and I don’t think they are alive. Now where is Lori during this time? Did she go to Hawaii early? If she took the kids to Hawaii with her and left them there, wouldn’t this be very easy for LE to verify? Through commercial flight records? Law enforcement has not told the public which cars to be looking for, so they must know the location of these vehicles?

I think the grandmother JJ (or someone with him) was perhaps referring to when he (or someone close to him) said he was going to be visiting his grandmother would have been KVW and her husband (not sure if they live in AZ or TX). But I don't believe Lori or Alex or anyone else who may have given JJ the impression that he would soon be going to visit his grandmother, ever intended for the visit to really happen. I think LE, when following up on the assertion Lori made on Nov 26 that JJ wasn't home because he was visiting a friend (or relative?), discovered that in fact he had not arrived at, and was was not staying with, that friend (or relative)

 

[snoflake20]

I think the grandmother JJ (or someone with him) was perhaps referring to when he (or someone close to him) said he was going to be visiting his grandmother would have been KVW and her husband (not sure if they live in AZ or TX). But I don't believe Lori or Alex or anyone else who may have given JJ the impression that he would soon be going to visit his grandmother, ever intended for the visit to really happen. I think LE, when following up on the assertion Lori made on Nov 26 that JJ wasn't home because he was visiting a friend (or relative?), discovered that in fact he had not arrived at, and was was not staying with, that friend (or relative)

This is just a feeling but from watching all the interviews with Kay and Larry, Larry and JJ seemed to have a very close bond and for some reason I thought JJ would say he was visiting his grandpa, if he thought it was Larry. Purely speculation on my part. MOO

I went back and read one of the earliest East Idaho News articles on the case and it say JJ was with a “family friend“. I’ve been wondering why Lori’s parents haven’t said a word about this case. Maybe they don’t know anything? I would think LE would at least check with them, even if Lori said JJ was with a “family friend”. MOO
Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I think the grandmother JJ (or someone with him) was perhaps referring to when he (or someone close to him) said he was going to be visiting his grandmother would have been KVW and her husband (not sure if they live in AZ or TX). But I don't believe Lori or Alex or anyone else who may have given JJ the impression that he would soon be going to visit his grandmother, ever intended for the visit to really happen. I think LE, when following up on the assertion Lori made on Nov 26 that JJ wasn't home because he was visiting a friend (or relative?), discovered that in fact he had not arrived at, and was was not staying with, that friend (or relative)

Perhaps Kay or Larry had talk to JJ about visiting them soon or wishing to. I think it’s pretty obvious JJ missed them and he wanted to do it Laurie likely wasn’t gonna let that happen as we have now seen

 

[fred&edna]

This is just a feeling but from watching all the interviews with Kay and Larry, Larry and JJ seemed to have a very close bond and for some reason I thought JJ would say he was visiting his grandpa, if he thought it was Larry. Purely speculation on my part. MOO

I went back and read one of the earliest East Idaho News articles on the case and it say JJ was with a “family friend“. I’ve been wondering why Lori’s parents haven’t said a word about this case. Maybe they don’t know anything? I would think LE would at least check with them, even if Lori said JJ was with a “family friend”. MOO
Police searching for Rexburg children believed to be in serious danger | East Idaho News

I agree about your thoughts that JJ would have been excited about seeing grandpa (Larry) - and would have said that. Saying he was visiting his grandmother makes me think the reference is he was to visit Lori's mother - or the whole story was simply a lie Lori told JJ and everyone else.

And, "family friend" always made me think of Lori's podcast co-hosts... JM and MG.

I feel sure LE has questioned all of these people (Lori's mother, JM, MG) with no leads to JJ and Tylee

JMO

 

[Redvines86]

So just to clarify for me, it is possible Alex had Tylee and JJ in his car sometime after September 24th from Idaho to Arizona?

 

[snoflake20]

I agree about your thoughts that JJ would have been excited about seeing grandpa (Larry) - and would have said that. Saying he was visiting his grandmother makes me think the reference is he was to visit Lori's mother - or the whole story was simply a lie Lori told JJ and everyone else.

And, "family friend" always made me think of Lori's podcast co-hosts... JM and MG.

I feel sure LE has questioned all of these people (Lori's mother, JM, MG) with no leads to JJ and Tylee

JMO

Right? If you are going to lie to LE about where your children are, who do you pick, since you know they are going to check with someone.

I assume Lori wouldn’t want to bring LE to her parents door, or to anyone involved in suspicious behavior like Alex or Melani (their new partners)...

So maybe she just picked a random friend/neighbor?MOO