Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

[tresir2012]

even if the pool party just consisted of Lori and Alex and the kids (and some fellow Chad groupies?) in my mind it would still be totally inappropriate to blast music and yell and swim on the same day JJ’s father died.
the appropriate mothering in this case, MOO would have been to call up Charles’ sister and his other sons immediately, and then get JJ to them, so they could grieve the loss together. Or perhaps have people over to the house, but a much more solemn and supportive (to the kids) gathering. I mean, we know that Lori was celebrating (and Alex you think was in the mood for swimming with his head injury and having just shot someone twice and then apparently performed CPR on him, went to station for questioning, etc.) but it’s so wrong for her to have celebrated with the kids in that way. Distraction yes, but celebrating by blasting music while whooping a “ding dong the witch is dead” kind of thing is not cool at all.

also, re: Alex doing CPR on Charles, do we think that really happened? Or he just told the EMS he was doing that? how does one do CPR on someone who has been shot in the chest? Seems like an utterly gruesome experience. I wonder if Alex was really shaken up when he went down to the station with Lori, and I wonder if they had the story all planned out beforehand, or if Lori and Alex cooked up the defense details during the delay (she maybe called him on the way home from dropping the kids off?), before LE arrived. And where was Tylee - she supposedly was waiting in the car with JJ, but did she go along to JJ’s drop off? Did she go inside and see Charles’ body and Uncle A performing CPR? Go to a friend’s or neighbors house? Call Colby?

another thing, that police RV parked out front in the video footage from the Gilbert, AZ - is that typical? I’ve never seen anything like that before. Seems like an extensive amount of forensics equipment, etc.? It’s a wonder they didn’t collect more evidence.

Only thing I can answer is about Colby. He apparently read about it in the news about the shooting. Noone rang him and told him.

 

[KonaHonu]

I wonder what really made CV change his mind on filing.

FWIW I'm not convinced CV changed his mind. In Arizona if divorce case remains inactive for a period of time (~60 days maybe) it "goes away." I'm not sure exactly what happens technically but it is possible that CV simply did not follow through while trying to get LV some help.

 

[KonaHonu]

I wonder what really made CV change his mind on filing.

FWIW I'm not convinced CV changed his mind. In Arizona if divorce case remains inactive for a period of time (~60 days maybe) it "goes away." I'm not sure exactly what happens technically but it is possible that CV simply did not follow through while trying to get LV some help.

 

[Rush4087]

Possible. But also possible kids weren't there OR coached. There was additional info (divorce filings by Charles) to suggest a much deeper dive into the shooting. Charles signed those divorce papers legally - under threat of perjury if he was lying.

Jmo

It just seems incredulous to me that AZ police bought, or couldn't (or didn't)
through the course of their investigation, refute, the AC self-defense claim in the shooting of CV. This,

despite there apparently being no adult witness present other than Lori. I have yet to see any absolute proof that the children were eye witnesses to the shooting. Unless they were actual eye witnesses, they would not have been able to absolutely confirm Lori and Alex's version of events. Granted, they might not have been able to absolutely dispute it (say if they'd been out front), but they would not have been able to absolutely confirm it, and,

despite AC having been previously arrested, convicted, and incarcerated for violently assaulting one of Lori's previous husbands (using a stun gun twice on JR, breaking his ribs, and threatening his life), and,

despite numerous claims made by CV to his attorney in Jan '19 in preparation for the Feb '19 divorce filing that Lori was unstable, that Lori had said she was a translated being who could not taste death, that Lori had threatened to murder CV, that Lori thought CV (or his body?) was actually some other person named Nick Schneider who had killed CV and taken over his identity, that Lori had said that she had an angel who would help her dispose of CV's body, and that Lori had threatened to ruin CV financially (which would seem unnecessary if CV were in fact Nick.., but I digress), and,

despite CV's Feb '19 filing / attempt to have Lori held and evaluated at a psych hospital for at least 72 hours (btw, why, after being contacted by staff at the psych hospital, were Gilbert, AZ police unable to bring Lori in for the hold and evaluation?), and,

despite in Feb '19 (while reportedly fearing for his life) CV's filing of a protective order against Lori (another "btw": why was this order not served by LE? apparently "lawyers tried to find her"..), and,

despite CV in Feb '19 stating (in that same protective order) that "I want to make sure that everyone knows that if something happens to me, Lori & Alex did it"

Really?

And given the above, wouldn't ANY witness account of the incident given by Alex, Lori, or her children be viewed with some degree of suspicion? There certainly were reasons to suspect that AC and Lori might've lied. There certainly were reasons to suspect that AC and Lori might've attempted to influence the children's statements (if they were even sought?).

If I understand correctly, AZ police in effect closed the investigation (I guess by simply not disputing the self defense claim), but have now re-opened it. When did they close the investigation? Did they decide to not dispute the claim, or did they not really investigate the claim? Idk..maybe CV's personality and credibility did play a role in their decision. Nobody's saying.

But if their earlier investigation had perhaps been haphazard or less than thorough (I'm sure like many PD's they have limited resources), what incentive would they now have to reinvestigate the incident and possibly arrive at a different conclusion?

 

[BigAl16]

ETA: I do not know why that darn pink or green smiley face is showing. I didn’t put it there.

I've got a guess.

Edit: If you add a space between the colon : and the upper case D it will fix it.

 

[Colorado303]

But they did drop the ball. At the very minimum, a CPS/DCS investigation should have been opened based on Lori's concerning mental state, which they would have learned about during the so-called investigation. AFAIK there was not. And not all of the crazy convoluted events had happened yet (Tammy's death, welfare check on the kids in Nov., C&L marriage, murder attempt on BB etc). They had so much information, from ACs prior conviction to CVs divorce petition and prior statements in fear of his life, to indicate this was very likely NOT self defense, and now we have two missing kids. It's inexcusable and shoddy police work. Moo.

Indeed. I’m inclined to give LE the benefit of the doubt. But there’s no doubt to give re the “investigation” of CV’s death. If the had just done some background digging they would know AC had committed violent crimes and threatened the life of Lori’s 3rd ex-husband. And found the court papers indicating Lori had threatened CV’s life directly. It makes me furious! Had they done even a mediocre job, I believe Tylee and JJ would be safe today.

 

[tresir2012]

They didn't close the case of CV and it remains open. It was they said and nobody to say otherwise. Does anyone know if the pool party was reported to LE? The owner says it was reported but to who? Just him?

I'm finding comments like "keystone cops" etc...ridiculous without all of information all the multiple law enforcement agencies have and we don't. It took most of us 2 days to figure out what the heck was going on with all of the facts there were.

No one reported the kids missing sadly, until 11/26.

Keeping the case open in Chandler,(approx. 250K population) Lori & JC moving within 6 weeks to ID (August 30), BB shot at Oct. 2, was shot at in Gilbert, AZ (approx. 250K population). Since it's been stated it wasn't JC in the jeep shooting at BB, where's the connection at this point. The case of CV is still open. They were putting it all together, imo. AZ notified ID after Tammy died.

I'm going to back off now but we aren't going to solve where the kids are, we might put it together eventually, but we don't have the facts that LE & FBI have and no one should be saying AZ or any other State dropped the ball. jmo

The first visit by LE re the kids was 19 Nov IIRC then they returned on 26th and spoke to Lori and Chad then after checking the Az location for the kids, who were not there, returned on 27th, found Lori and Chad gone so searched the apartments IIRC.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

• Franchise Search Results
• Public Information Report

As of : 01/12/2020 14:44:58
This page is valid for most business transactions but is not sufficient for filings with the Secretary of State
Obtain a certification for filings with the Secretary of State.
SFG GROUP INC
Texas Taxpayer Number 30116703023
Mailing Address PO BOX 26867 AUSTIN, TX 78755-0867
Right to Transact Business in Texas FRANCHISE TAX INVOLUNTARILY ENDED
Request tax clearance to reinstate entity
State of Formation TX
Effective SOS Registration Date 05/11/1993
Texas SOS File Number 0126987900
Registered Agent Name L CHARLES VALLOW
Registered Office Street Address 2800 WAYMAKER WAY #65 AUSTIN, TX 78746


NameSFG GROUP INC Taxpayers ID#30116703023 Zip78755

Source: Taxable Entity Search
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0126987900

 

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From here: note Texas only. https://opencorporates.com/officers/246851268

note: these records haven’t been updated inn3 years (the site hasn’t updated in 3 years so there could be more companies)

Similarly named officers

• CHARLES C VALLOW, agent, inactive NINTY NINE AND ONE INC (Texas (US), 16 Dec 2003- 9 Feb 2007)
• L CHARLES VALLOW, agent, inactive SYNERGY FINANCIAL GROUP INC (Texas (US), 5 Jan 1990-11 May 1993)
• L. CHARLES VALLOW, agent, inactive PFS MARKETING, LLC (Texas (US), 2 Aug 2010-26 Jan 2018)
• LELAND CHARLES VALLOW, agent, inactive SAFE WEALTH ADVISORS, LLC (Texas (US), 4 Nov 2011- 8 Feb 2013)
• VALLOW,CHARLES, mem, 8 Dec 2014- , inactiveJUICE ISLAND HAWAII LLC (Hawaii (US), 8 Dec 2014- )
• VALLOW,CHARLES, mem, 12 Jan 2015- , inactiveJUICE ISLAND - PRINCEVILLE LLC (Hawaii (US), 12 Jan 2015- )
• VALLOW,CHARLES, mem, 4 Aug 2015- , inactiveJUICE ISLAND - LIHUE LLC (Hawaii (US), 4 Aug 2015-

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_hi/133210C5

JUICE ISLAND - LIHUE LLC
Company Number
133210C5
Status
Terminated
Incorporation Date
4 August 2015 (over 4 years ago)
Company Type
Domestic Limited Liability Company (LLC)
Jurisdiction
Hawaii (US)
Agent Name
LORI N VALLOW
Agent Address
P O BOX 223300 PMB 347 PRINCEVILLE, Hawaii 96722 UNITED STATES
Inactive Directors / Officers

• LORI N VALLOW, agent
• VALLOW,CHARLES, mem, 4 Aug 2015-
• VALLOW,LORI N, mem, 4 Aug 2015-

Registry Page
https://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/bus...

Recent filings for JUICE ISLAND - LIHUE LLC
28 Sep 2016
ARTICLES OF TERMINATION
Articles of Termination

4 Aug 2015
ARTICLES OF ORGANIZATION
Articles of Organization

https://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/bus..., 23 Apr 2019

 

[tresir2012]

Indeed. I’m inclined to give LE the benefit of the doubt. But there’s no doubt to give re the “investigation” of CV’s death. If the had just done some background digging they would know AC had committed violent crimes and threatened the life of Lori’s 3rd ex-husband. And found the court papers indicating Lori had threatened CV’s life directly. It makes me furious! Had they done even a mediocre job, I believe Tylee and JJ would be safe today.

I'm not sure the divorce paperwork would have even been available to LE as CV had pulled it way before then. Maybe CV's lawyer should have provided it to LE in July after CV's death though. If he did provide the evidence to LE at that time and LE ignored it, then I believe there has been some fault there. If LE were not aware of that document then how could they be at fault? Did KVW tell LE about those threats at the time of Charles's death?

 

[Dontknow?]

I find it odd that it took AZ LE nearly 2 months (July 11 to Sept ??) of "looking at it as self-defense" before they realized something more might be going on... particularly since the shooter had a criminal record. And, beyond finding it odd... I have to wonder if Lori (et al) had any friends, fellow (cult) members with loose ties to LE who might have mentioned things... tipped her off, somehow assisted knowingly or unknowingly.

I respect your opinion and admit that I have no proof of this... just something I wonder about.

I'm always on the side of the good guys (until they are no longer good guys)... I just want to make sure.

JMO

I guess where I'm coming from is it was a they said case, But the LE kept it open to investigate. Lori and JC left AZ within 6 weeks while it remained open. They most likely were investigating those 6 weeks into both LV and JC's past. Then, they have to have proof before they take it to the DA. Maybe they did and the DA wanted more. Maricopa CO is not a small place. 4.3 million people.

Maybe Chandler and Gilbert didn't share info at first because JC wasn't mentioned in BB's shooting but the Jeep was registered to CV which clued them in. Then the next sad event, Tammy died 17 days after BB's drive by. There are a lot of drive by's in Maricopa sadly. But I think they were putting it together.and even more information keeps coming in.

Heck, many of the cases we follow here take years to ever get an arrest. jmo

 

[Colorado303]

I find it odd that it took AZ LE nearly 2 months (July 11 to Sept ??) of "looking at it as self-defense" before they realized something more might be going on... particularly since the shooter had a criminal record. And, beyond finding it odd... I have to wonder if Lori (et al) had any friends, fellow (cult) members with loose ties to LE who might have mentioned things... tipped her off, somehow assisted knowingly or unknowingly.

I respect your opinion and admit that I have no proof of this... just something I wonder about.

I'm always on the side of the good guys (until they are no longer good guys)... I just want to make sure.

JMO

I don’t think the LE personnel “investigating” CV’s death ever raised a flag of concern. Timing is more consistent w/ID LE being alerted by those investigating the shots fired at BB.

As posted earlier in this thread, LE issued a recent statement still contending AC killed CV in self defense. The go on to say the case is only still open because the missing kids. What with BB’s investigators actually doing their job and all, IMO CV’s investigators have basically admitted they’d close the case now but don’t want to look bad. I don’t think they are doing any additional investigation, nor will they unless some other agency insists.

MOO

 

[Redvines86]

I guess where I'm coming from is it was a they said case, But the LE kept it open to investigate. Lori and JC left AZ within 6 weeks while it remained open. They most likely were investigating those 6 weeks into both LV and JC's past. Then, they have to have proof before they take it to the DA. Maybe they did and the DA wanted more. Maricopa CO is not a small place. 4.3 million people.

Maybe Chandler and Gilbert didn't share info at first because JC wasn't mentioned in BB's shooting but the Jeep was registered to CV which clued them in. Then the next sad event, Tammy died 17 days after BB's drive by. There are a lot of drive by's in Maricopa sadly. But I think they were putting it together.and even more information keeps coming in.

Heck, many of the cases we follow here take years to ever get an arrest. jmo

I think if Tammy's autopsy comes back clear we could go years not knowing anything.

 

[fred&edna]

I don't know if this is visible (not great a posting screenshots ) nor do I know if it's been shared already. But after questioning and releasing Lori and Alex, the case (of Charles Vallow's shooting) was sent to the county attorney. The county attorney has an office full of people to investigate... no? I guess I just didn't realize it automatically went to the DA. Tyler said the case would be sent to the DA for review. This case was not just left in the hands of police detectives.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I'm not sure the divorce paperwork would have even been available to LE as CV had pulled it way before then. Maybe CV's lawyer should have provided it to LE in July after CV's death though. If he did provide the evidence to LE at that time and LE ignored it, then I believe there has been some fault there. If LE were not aware of that document then how could they be at fault? Did KVW tell LE about those threats at the time of Charles's death?

Because when a homicide occurs, it's a good idea to do a basic investigation, which would include at a bare minimum court and arrest records of the involved parties. Moo.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I’m not sure he was still quite well off. He couldn’t pay his employees according to the divorce records.

Yes, I was referring to the divorce filing. And yes, I re-read and it says the parties owned R.I.T.E Planning Group. So what happened to it? Hmmm

I’ll have to look it up!

sorry not to credit whoever posted this originally. Easier for me to share the link. Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix






ETA: noting this was drawn up or filed in Maricopa County. The same county he died in.

You have to search for the company in Texas where the business was established. The records appear in non-linkable popups. So go here:

Taxable Entity Search

Enter PFS Marketing. Click the Captcha and then Search. Choose PFS Marketing, LLC from the 3 results. In the popup you will see the status of the right to transact business in Texas which is:

FRANCHISE TAX INVOLUNTARILY ENDED​

 

[Jethro4WS]

So unless something changed after the divorce filing that didn’t happen, Lori still owns the company. Now whether she has the license required I don’t know. Says they have offices in CA, AZ, and HI.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181028175810/https://www.riteplanninggroup.com/

from the archived page:
We specialize in providing strategies and guidance for those who are seeking a better lifestyle in retirement. Whether you have a retirement nest egg of five million dollars or $50,000, we can help you make sure it works as hard and as smart as you did in earning and saving it.

Contact Info
714-853-5005 or 808-755-5509
[email protected]
Offices out of California, Texas & Hawaii

There is a broker check on the bottom of the page. I’m currently trying to find if he was listed or if Lori is. No luck yet.

Charles has two active listings with California. Go here and enter Vallow in the search
: License Status - Name Search

 

[Rush4087]

I'm not sure the divorce paperwork would have even been available to LE as CV had pulled it way before then. Maybe CV's lawyer should have provided it to LE in July after CV's death though. If he did provide the evidence to LE at that time and LE ignored it, then I believe there has been some fault there. If LE were not aware of that document then how could they be at fault? Did KVW tell LE about those threats at the time of Charles's death?

Good point. I don't know what info is recorded once a filing is made, and if that info would deleted from the record once a filing is withdrawn.

I cannot imagine however that CV's attorney, knowing all of this, did not approach LE upon learning that CV had been shot and killed, and that his wife had been present at the time.

And I would think that the information in the issued "hold and evaluate" psych order and the info in the issued protection order (even if somehow withdrawn later as well) would've been available to LE, but Idk.

 

[mickey2942]

It wouldn't surprise me, if LEO do know where Chad and Lori are, and are trying to figure out a strategy to meet with them.

They probably don't want another "Ruby Ridge" debacle. And there really is not a legitimate reason to charge them with anything at this time, or "force" Lori to produce JJ.

It is a waiting game.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Thank you for the help!

You have to search for the company in Texas where the business was established. The records appear in non-linkable popups. So go here:

Taxable Entity Search

Enter PFS Marketing. Click the Captcha and then Search. Choose PFS Marketing, LLC from the 3 results. In the popup you will see the status of the right to transact business in Texas which is:

FRANCHISE TAX INVOLUNTARILY ENDED​

Can you tell when it ended? I can’t.

Charles has two active listings with California. Go here and enter Vallow in the search
: License Status - Name Search

I just see one active?





Name: VALLOW L CHARLES License#: 0E47310
Non-Res Insurance Producer
License type: Accident and Health Status:
Inactive Status Date:
06/30/2006 Expiration Date:
06/30/2006
Non-Res Insurance Producer
License type: Life-Only Status:
Active Status Date:
05/31/2016 Expiration Date:
05/31/2020