Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

[fred&edna]

According to the landlord, they moved there in June. I don't know if it was in the article, but the landlord said this on FB a few days before the article about the pool party etc. (Can't do much checking.....ATM)

Thank you for at least finding the month!

 

[fred&edna]

No kidding! I keep a close eye on his Twitter because he is doing such a great job .

He's been great! And, I previously chastised AZ reporters for not digging into the Vallow murder. I'm happy he proved me wrong!

 

[tealrose]

I’ve hit the point where I’ve got all sorts of problems with things.

So yes, sometimes it’s appropriate to do CPR on someone with a gunshot wound, even a chest one. But it’s pretty damn hard for just one person, because you have to put pressure on the wound, or you’ll make them bleed out. (And kill them faster.)

So, what did Alex use for pressure? There’s nothing on the ground with blood. There doesn’t seem to be much blood at all. And he didn’t have blood on his hands, himself, or on the phone, that I could see. Anyone else notice any?

And that must have been an impressive bit of CPR... maybe the one, two, three, four should have been counting Alex’s hands? Two for CPR, one (or two) for pressure, and yet another to hold the phone?

And generally, when you’re told to do CPR, you do it until a medical professional arrives to take over. Not wander off to put the gun in a different room, wash your hands, do something with bloody fabric from compression, and then wander your way outside, all the while on the phone with dispatch. Looking VERY forward to hearing that 911 call that Lum said they have. Finally. Hope they’ve requested the rest of the relevant 911 calls, too. In fact... those houses are close together. Did any neighbors call? I’d be surprised if they didn’t... a “loud” fight, a vehicle that left during it, and multiple gunshots?

I also don’t buy this new supposed timeline. We’re supposed to believe that Tylee swung a bat, Charles grabbed it and went after Alex, and Alex grabbed a gun and shot him? When, exactly, in that handful of seconds, max, did Lori herd two kids to the car? Especially a teen and an autistic (7yo?) child? Did she pick JJ up and cart him out screaming? (How much does JJ weigh?) Because that’s about all that might make it happen. Not to mention Tylee supposedly hearing shots from the vehicle. There just isn’t enough time to make it plausible.

The mattresses on the floor don’t faze me, we’ve done it ourselves. Except rather than moving, it makes me think money is an issue - or maybe that they hadn’t moved IN very long before. When *did* they move in there, anyway? And that they didn’t intend to stay long.

Oh, my. That house and the disorganization had to have been an issue for JJ. And speaking of JJ, how long had they had the service dog, and how old was it? What were its trained tasks? What was the reason stated for returning it?

And one more thing off the top of my head. Charles was shot, and just happened to fall back all perfectly laid out like that? Mmmkay. Or if not, and he was moved to do (or claim to have done) CPR, again, where’s the blood?

Where, exactly, were Charles’ wounds? Oh, and head wounds BLEED. So Alex’s head wound didn’t break the skin? And him being hit on the back of the head wouldn’t make sense. Heck, even going in the bedroom for the gun and back wouldn’t - because that’s no longer defense, but returning to attack. Hell, if he’d gone in the bedroom, he was away from Charles, and could have shut and locked/barricaded the door and called 911.

And speaking of calls to 911... where is the call from a grouping of people that presumably had three or four phones among them that originated a the normal time, y’know, DURING the fight?

Like I said, I’ve got all sorts of issues. I don’t think we’ve heard anything close to the truth yet, at all.

 

[tealrose]

Oh, and I think the part about one, two, three, four shots was ASKING, possibly just musing, not stating how many, at least when it was said in the video.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Wow! I screenshot it

I did, too. I posted it right when it broke in this thread. But it isnt in the media thread.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

dbm

 

[Majic]

This is some great work Gardener1850!

With respect to this entry:

17 Dec 1996 – Lori’s 2nd husband files for divorce in Bexar County, Texas. (Court records).

I was reviewing the court document, and noticed that for this divorce, the petitioner is listed as Lori.

(go to search.bexar.org and select Advanced, then search for Case#1996CI18042)

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right, but does that mean it was actually Lori that filed for divorce, rather than her husband?

17 Dec 1996 – Lori’s 2nd husband files for divorce in Bexar County, Texas. (Court records).

 

[snoflake20]

I just watched the Justin Lum Fox 10 News report, and they have more video that show Lori and Tylee? returning, they are blurred. I can't find a link, I was watching the Live Stream. Hopefully they will have a link I can post soon, or will repeat it at 10pm MST. Livestream | FOX 10 Phoenix

added the live link.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I’ve hit the point where I’ve got all sorts of problems with things.

So yes, sometimes it’s appropriate to do CPR on someone with a gunshot wound, even a chest one. But it’s pretty damn hard for just one person, because you have to put pressure on the wound, or you’ll make them bleed out. (And kill them faster.)

So, what did Alex use for pressure? There’s nothing on the ground with blood. There doesn’t seem to be much blood at all. And he didn’t have blood on his hands, himself, or on the phone, that I could see. Anyone else notice any?

And that must have been an impressive bit of CPR... maybe the one, two, three, four should have been counting Alex’s hands? Two for CPR, one (or two) for pressure, and yet another to hold the phone?

And generally, when you’re told to do CPR, you do it until a medical professional arrives to take over. Not wander off to put the gun in a different room, wash your hands, do something with bloody fabric from compression, and then wander your way outside, all the while on the phone with dispatch. Looking VERY forward to hearing that 911 call that Lum said they have. Finally. Hope they’ve requested the rest of the relevant 911 calls, too. In fact... those houses are close together. Did any neighbors call? I’d be surprised if they didn’t... a “loud” fight, a vehicle that left during it, and multiple gunshots?

I also don’t buy this new supposed timeline. We’re supposed to believe that Tylee swung a bat, Charles grabbed it and went after Alex, and Alex grabbed a gun and shot him? When, exactly, in that handful of seconds, max, did Lori herd two kids to the car? Especially a teen and an autistic (7yo?) child? Did she pick JJ up and cart him out screaming? (How much does JJ weigh?) Because that’s about all that might make it happen. Not to mention Tylee supposedly hearing shots from the vehicle. There just isn’t enough time to make it plausible.

The mattresses on the floor don’t faze me, we’ve done it ourselves. Except rather than moving, it makes me think money is an issue - or maybe that they hadn’t moved IN very long before. When *did* they move in there, anyway? And that they didn’t intend to stay long.

Oh, my. That house and the disorganization had to have been an issue for JJ. And speaking of JJ, how long had they had the service dog, and how old was it? What were its trained tasks? What was the reason stated for returning it?

And one more thing off the top of my head. Charles was shot, and just happened to fall back all perfectly laid out like that? Mmmkay. Or if not, and he was moved to do (or claim to have done) CPR, again, where’s the blood?

Where, exactly, were Charles’ wounds? Oh, and head wounds BLEED. So Alex’s head wound didn’t break the skin? And him being hit on the back of the head wouldn’t make sense. Heck, even going in the bedroom for the gun and back wouldn’t - because that’s no longer defense, but returning to attack. Hell, if he’d gone in the bedroom, he was away from Charles, and could have shut and locked/barricaded the door and called 911.

And speaking of calls to 911... where is the call from a grouping of people that presumably had three or four phones among them that originated a the normal time, y’know, DURING the fight?

Like I said, I’ve got all sorts of issues. I don’t think we’ve heard anything close to the truth yet, at all.

I noticed he was laid out quite well, too. I don't know why this detail bothered me, but it did.

That police officer came in, checked for a pulse, and went on and cleared the house. Those paramedics were doing CPR at one point. I was not expecting that for some reason.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

This is some great work Gardener1850!

With respect to this entry:

17 Dec 1996 – Lori’s 2nd husband files for divorce in Bexar County, Texas. (Court records).

I was reviewing the court document, and noticed that for this divorce, the petitioner is listed as Lori.

(go to search.bexar.org and select Advanced, then search for Case#1996CI18042)

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right, but does that mean it was actually Lori that filed for divorce, rather than her husband?

I think it does show Lori as the petitioner. That would be who filed. Correct. Good catch. And welcome.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Justin has reposted the police report within the comments of this post. He redacted the address since LE did not. CHANDLER PD BODY CAM: ***WARNING***... - Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix | Facebook

 

[Gardener1850]

This is some great work Gardener1850!

With respect to this entry:

17 Dec 1996 – Lori’s 2nd husband files for divorce in Bexar County, Texas. (Court records).

I was reviewing the court document, and noticed that for this divorce, the petitioner is listed as Lori.

(go to search.bexar.org and select Advanced, then search for Case#1996CI18042)

I'm not sure if I'm reading it right, but does that mean it was actually Lori that filed for divorce, rather than her husband?

Welcome Majic. It appears you are correct. I was going by what others had said that he was the one to file and I didn't look closely at the docs myself. Not even the MSM reporters caught that error as it was put in the Post Register Timeline that way too (LOL): A timeline of the events surrounding the disappearance of J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan
So congratulations on noticing and thanks for the correction.

 

[Majic]

Welcome Majic. It appears you are correct. I was going by what others had said that he was the one to file and I didn't look closely at the docs myself. Not even the MSM reporters caught that error as it was put in the Post Register Timeline that way too (LOL): A timeline of the events surrounding the disappearance of J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan
So congratulations on noticing and thanks for the correction.

Thanks. I noticed that some news reports were saying that all Lori's ex-husbands had requested the divorces and I thought that was unusual, so I did a little more digging and looked a little closer at the divorce document.

I still can't find any info on the divorce from her first husband...anyone know more about this one? I know his first name and that he was allegedly the friend of another classmate who ended up killing his girlfriend that went to the same high school in Rialto, CA.

 

[Onsdag]

eta: In my area fire and police would both come and be called together. I noticed the officer tell another one that fire was en route. It seemed almost like he was saying they had called them. I would’ve expected them to be dispatched together. That surprised me.

I believe they were dispatched together, but fire may have either arrived a little later or purposely stayed back until police cleared the scene of any threats (shots had been fired after all). The time between one officer instructing the other to have fire roll in (0:50 mark) and the fire engine arriving on scene (can be heard in background at 1:30) is only 40 seconds. MOO. You can definitely see and hear the fire engine already out front when the officer exits the house.

Can anyone make out what the lady says about the entrance and exit wounds? Sounds like entrance is upper quadrant, and exits are... the rear (?) and back? Not sure if I heard that correctly. Would that suggest a downward trajectory (or maybe he was falling forward?) on at least one of the shots if it entered his chest and exited his rear?

 

[fred&edna]

DBM

 

[Lionsanddandelions]

I thought I had quoted the relevant post, but it appears I didn't. But basically, someone commented wondering whether Lori had been sealed to JR or Charles, and if she hadn't, whether that could have played into a quick marriage to Chad.

I don't know whether she was or wasn't, but I suspect she wasn't - at least not to JR. JR's sister AC shared a wedding photo of JR and Lori on social media, which showed Lori wearing a wedding dress that would be considered immodest by LDS temple standards. It is possible they were sealed some time after their civil ceremony, but this was the only type of wedding ceremony the sister, AC, was aware of.

I have had my doubts this entire time whether Lori actually was ever a devout mainstream Mormon, or if she moreso kept up appearances/always followed the beat of her own drum.

MAJOR MOO

 

[UnknownSleuth]

I still can't find any info on the divorce from her first husband...anyone know more about this one?

(snipped by me)

No, not anything more than you have, but I assume you read the same comment that said Lori filed for divorce from that husband, too (rather than the same "all five filed against her" I heard elsewhere).

 

[Rush4087]

I agree with snoflake. Police show up at a scene where one man has been shot dead inside the house, the other is sitting on the curb with a bump on his head, and there's a rifle and an aluminum bat inside leaning against the wall. There are no witnesses to the shooting present.

There were no witnesses to the shooting because (according to AC) Lori had left with Tylee before the shooting occurred. I'm not making a judgement in this post about whether Lori should or should not have left with Tylee at the time that she did.

But Lori and Tylee had to have left while her brother was supposedly being assaulted the first time, not the alleged second time - because if we are to believe AC's story, Lori and Tylee were gone before the shooting, and that's precisely when the shooting occurred. Maybe there was a long stand off of some sort, where AC was swinging and missing a lot, during which Lori and Tylee fled, but that's not what AC described.

Even if CV had in fact taken the bat from Tylee earlier, and in the midst of a fight with AC had hit AC with it (causing an injury that apparently wasn't bad enough to prevent AC from going back and getting his gun). Idk where the gun was located, but from AC's account it doesn't sound like he had it right next to him. There is no simply no evidence to prove that AC didn't just shoot a possibly empty-handed CV when he returned with the gun.

Who knows what CV was doing when AC returned with the gun? Nobody else was present. CV could've just been standing there "enraged". It certainly would seem foolish to have chosen to attack AC a second time - this time while AC had a gun. But if AC says CV was coming at him, there's no one left alive to dispute the claim.

It's just a he-said, .... And now it's not even a he-said. But to me AC's account doesn't seem sufficient for PD to just walk away and say, "okay, had to be self defense". So
they HAD to have found lots of other evidence which supported AC's claim.. right? After all, it's not like he's ever done something like this before.. oh, wait..

If I called the cops to my house, and they found me sitting outside on the curb with a bump on my head and my wife shot dead inside, with an iron skillet nearby and with my shotgun leaning against the wall, I don't think they'd be all that eager to believe my claim of self defense (even if a witness who had been there earlier said my wife had hit me in the head with the skillet).

I'm not saying CV is innocent, or even that he wasn't "mean". Just that we don't know, and probably never will. If I'd been through what CV'd been through with Lori over the past year, I might be pretty mean too. Given AC's background, his relationship with Lori, and the mounds of the evidence of Lori's mental instability and threats of violence, I don't believe AC's story.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I agree with snoflake. Police show up at a scene where one man has been shot dead inside the house, the other is sitting on the curb with a bump on his head, and there's a rifle and an aluminum bat inside leaning against the wall. There are no witnesses to the shooting present.

There were no witnesses to the shooting because (according to AC) Lori had left with Tylee before the shooting occurred. I'm not making a judgement in this post about whether Lori should or should not have left with Tylee at the time that she did.

But Lori and Tylee had to have left while her brother was supposedly being assaulted the first time, not the alleged second time - because if we are to believe AC's story, Lori and Tylee were gone before the shooting, and that's precisely when the shooting occurred. Maybe there was a long stand off of some sort, where AC was swinging and missing a lot, during which Lori and Tylee fled, but that's not what AC described.

Even if CV had in fact taken the bat from Tylee earlier, and in the midst of a fight with AC had hit AC with it (causing an injury that apparently wasn't bad enough to prevent AC from going back and getting his gun). Idk where the gun was located, but from AC's account it doesn't sound like he had it right next to him. There is no simply no evidence to prove that AC didn't just shoot a possibly empty-handed CV when he returned with the gun.

Who knows what CV was doing when AC returned with the gun? Nobody else was present. CV could've just been standing there "enraged". It certainly would seem foolish to have chosen to attack AC a second time - this time while AC had a gun. But if AC says CV was coming at him, there's no one left alive to dispute the claim.

It's just a he-said, .... And now it's not even a he-said. But to me AC's account doesn't seem sufficient for PD to just walk away and say, "okay, had to be self defense". So
they HAD to have found lots of other evidence which supported AC's claim.. right? After all, it's not like he's ever done something like this before.. oh, wait..

If I called the cops to my house, and they found me sitting outside on the curb with a bump on my head and my wife shot dead inside, with an iron skillet nearby and with my shotgun leaning against the wall, I don't think they'd be all that eager to believe my claim of self defense (even if a witness who had been there earlier said my wife had hit me in the head with the skillet).

I'm not saying CV is innocent, or even that he wasn't "mean". Just that we don't know, and probably never will. If I'd been through what CV'd been through with Lori over the past year, I might be pretty mean too. Given AC's background, his relationship with Lori, and the mounds of the evidence of Lori's mental instability and threats of violence, I don't believe AC's story.

I didn’t see a shotgun?

 

[Gardener1850]

Thanks. I noticed that some news reports were saying that all Lori's ex-husbands had requested the divorces and I thought that was unusual, so I did a little more digging and looked a little closer at the divorce document.

I still can't find any info on the divorce from her first husband...anyone know more about this one?

*SBM (Snipped by me)

His last name is possibly Nelson from family interviews on Gray Hughes. It was too common of a name to search and I'm not sure where the marriage took place. The rules here are that we can't sleuth her first husband or post anything about his personal life unless that info comes out in mainstream media reports related to this case. However, we can usually link to the divorce or marriage records if found because that is sleuthing Lori and she has been named a POI by police in this case. Just so you know, we are usually only allowed to openly sleuth the POI/Suspects and the Victims/Missing Persons in a case. That said, please let us know if you find Lori's first marriage/divorce record.