Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

[Rush4087]

And another thing. If AC wasn't living there, how'd he know where to go to quickly get a gun? I think it was a set up

 

[Redvines86]

Sorry! Can't remember, who exactly said Tammy was coughing and sick the night she died?

 

[carbuff]

Maybe he normally packs heat?

 

[cody22]

Sorry! Can't remember, who exactly said Tammy was coughing and sick the night she died?

Chad Daybell.....moo

 

[Mamabirdz]

This is going to be kinda long, but can I just tell you how giddy I am that ya’ll are finally looking in to PAP? I’ve really struggled with this since the day after Christmas when they scrubbed their ENTIRE website, and threw videos from 6 years ago on there, then claimed to be a small media group.

I have tried and tried to get people to look into it with me and I was met with resistance everywhere. I’ve constantly been shut down and told they are nobodies. Which IMO, is exactly what they wanted.

Now that ya’ll have started sluething this group, I’ll give you some info to look into. The founders of PAP, are two people. A husband and wife. (I dint think I can name names, but it’s not hard to find out.)

They have screamed up one wall and down the other that they barely knew Chad, and have even put out a virtual Cease and Desist order. (Eyeroll) however I have a video on Vimeo that shows Chad and chatting with the founders, and the founder admitting that they moved from Utah to Idaho BECAUSE OF CHAD. After all of this went down with people looking into Chad and Lori, bam. They packed up and moved back to Utah and scrubbed their site.

They operate under a bunch of different group names, however it’s all the same key people involved in all of this. If anyone is hiding anything or anyone, it is these key individuals.

So far, I know of 6 different group names that is involved. I am not sure if I am allowed to name these different groups or not. But AVOW, is not the only I’ve with multiple paywalls.

AVOW has always had them, however, the AVOW owner has been quite transparent in letting everyone know that they can join, if they want to. They just have to pay. However PAP has dissolved their links to these forums. You can only find it if you know exactly what it is you are looking for.

Also, the LDS church has a name for the PAP group. So they are very aware of them. Basically, not only are they an extreme prep/doomsday group, but they are also trying to change the history of the Book of Mormon, where Nephi’s vision took place, where the golden plates were found, etc.

They are also very much against the constitution as it stands, as well as what our kids are being taught in school....they think the government is making our kids like zombies and that they aren’t teaching them real math and history, etc...

I also watch a very disturbing video where they are basically grooming children from toddlers, to think they are visionaries and that all of their dreams are visions and everything in their dream is a symbol of these visions.

They are also VERY focused on this Youth Battalion thing, and supposedly are training youth to be like Moroni.

I don’t know if this will be deleted or not, and I’m not sure what I can link and what I can’t as far as sleuthing goes, but say perhaps you were curious about some of these things, some key words you might think about googling would be:

LDS HeartLanders
LDS Family media
Color My Media
The Isaiah Institute
Book of Mormon Evidence
Universal Model of Science
Firm Foundation
Etho Warrior Project
PAP dreams and visions
Youth Battalion


I think you will find all of these very interesting and you will find that Chad and Lori have close connections with all involved In these things. I had to stop listening to things after a while because I could completely see where Lori got her scary thoughts from....especially if she actually believed all of the bull these people fed her!

Vimeo is a treasure trove btw. Happy sleuthing!

 

[Gardener1850]

Sorry! Can't remember, who exactly said Tammy was coughing and sick the night she died?

Chad said it when he called Tammy's parents the next day crying on the phone and saying that she was dead. I can find a link, just a moment.

ETA Quote and link (BBM):
Tammy Daybell’s father, Ron Douglas, said he saw his daughter about two weeks before her death. He said she was in good health and in good spirits, dancing in the living room.

On October 19, Douglas said he received a call from Chad Daybell “broken-hearted and sobbing,” explaining that his wife went to bed in a coughing fit and never woke up.

Family members say mother of missing children in Rexburg joined a dangerous cult with new husband

 

[Gardener1850]

Tammy Daybell’s father, Ron Douglas, said he saw his daughter about two weeks before her death. He said she was in good health and in good spirits, dancing in the living room.

On October 19, Douglas said he received a call from Chad Daybell “broken-hearted and sobbing,” explaining that his wife went to bed in a coughing fit and never woke up.

Family members say mother of missing children in Rexburg joined a dangerous cult with new husband

BBM.

 

[Redvines86]

Chad said it when he called Tammy's parents the next day crying on the phone and saying that she was dead. I can find a link, just a moment.

ETA Quote and link (BBM):
Tammy Daybell’s father, Ron Douglas, said he saw his daughter about two weeks before her death. He said she was in good health and in good spirits, dancing in the living room.


On October 19, Douglas said he received a call from Chad Daybell “broken-hearted and sobbing,” explaining that his wife went to bed in a coughing fit and never woke up.

Family members say mother of missing children in Rexburg joined a dangerous cult with new husband

So, just Chad...

 

[carbuff]

The Youth Battalion stuff is what makes me think Tylee is still alive. They place a very high value on the young people.

Thinking about it now, she might even have gone willingly to join up with the battalion.

 

[Rush4087]

I didn’t see a shotgun?

That was in my analogy (me at my house...)

 

[cody22]

So, just Chad...

Yep..... It looks like Lori, Alex, and Chad are involved in tragedy when there are not too many witnesses left around to talk.....moo

 

[fred&edna]

I caught the Justin Lum Fox 10 update and, if I heard correctly, the argument began when Lori refused to give Charles his cell phone. Anyone else see/hear this?

 

[Avocado49]

And another thing. If AC wasn't living there, how'd he know where to go to quickly get a gun? I think it was a set up

They knew that Charles was coming to get JJ in the morning, perhaps Alex came over the night before with his gun in the bag, and slept in the brightly colored room (even if it was Tylee’s). Or maybe he just put the gun bag and the gun on their floor next to it after he shot Charles. I don’t believe Alex was doing CPR - that would be extremely messy for one thing and the scene was not. So he was probably talking to 911 as he put the gun in the room, put the bat near Charles’ hand, etc.

 

[Rush4087]

That was in my analogy (me at my house...)

I think I read them at AC used a .45 cal handgun

Edit: that AC used a .45 cal handgun

 

[Onsdag]

Sorry! Can't remember, who exactly said Tammy was coughing and sick the night she died?

DBM: already answered.

 

[snoflake20]

Did anyone else catch the new Fox 10 footage? Here's some of the 911 call and footage with Lori
Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

 

[Bray2020]

I agree with snoflake. Police show up at a scene where one man has been shot dead inside the house, the other is sitting on the curb with a bump on his head, and there's a rifle and an aluminum bat inside leaning against the wall. There are no witnesses to the shooting present.

There were no witnesses to the shooting because (according to AC) Lori had left with Tylee before the shooting occurred. I'm not making a judgement in this post about whether Lori should or should not have left with Tylee at the time that she did.

But Lori and Tylee had to have left while her brother was supposedly being assaulted the first time, not the alleged second time - because if we are to believe AC's story, Lori and Tylee were gone before the shooting, and that's precisely when the shooting occurred. Maybe there was a long stand off of some sort, where AC was swinging and missing a lot, during which Lori and Tylee fled, but that's not what AC described.

Even if CV had in fact taken the bat from Tylee earlier, and in the midst of a fight with AC had hit AC with it (causing an injury that apparently wasn't bad enough to prevent AC from going back and getting his gun). Idk where the gun was located, but from AC's account it doesn't sound like he had it right next to him. There is no simply no evidence to prove that AC didn't just shoot a possibly empty-handed CV when he returned with the gun.

Who knows what CV was doing when AC returned with the gun? Nobody else was present. CV could've just been standing there "enraged". It certainly would seem foolish to have chosen to attack AC a second time - this time while AC had a gun. But if AC says CV was coming at him, there's no one left alive to dispute the claim.

It's just a he-said, .... And now it's not even a he-said. But to me AC's account doesn't seem sufficient for PD to just walk away and say, "okay, had to be self defense". So
they HAD to have found lots of other evidence which supported AC's claim.. right? After all, it's not like he's ever done something like this before.. oh, wait..

If I called the cops to my house, and they found me sitting outside on the curb with a bump on my head and my wife shot dead inside, with an iron skillet nearby and with my shotgun leaning against the wall, I don't think they'd be all that eager to believe my claim of self defense (even if a witness who had been there earlier said my wife had hit me in the head with the skillet).

I'm not saying CV is innocent, or even that he wasn't "mean". Just that we don't know, and probably never will. If I'd been through what CV'd been through with Lori over the past year, I might be pretty mean too. Given AC's background, his relationship with Lori, and the mounds of the evidence of Lori's mental instability and threats of violence, I don't believe AC's story.

I agree. AC's story doesn't seem to add up. I wonder if the baseball bat was tested for fingerprints? The story AC tells makes me think that the kids were in the car waiting for CV to come out of the house. If that was the case, I could see LV getting in the car and driving off with them while whatever happened in the house was handled. But that also seems to make TR going after CV with the bat a bit unlikely. The sequence of events doesn't add up if you listen to AC's explanation.

 

[snoflake20]

I caught the Justin Lum Fox 10 update and, if I heard correctly, the argument began when Lori refused to give Charles his cell phone. Anyone else see/hear this?

Yes, that is what I heard. Fox 10 has the new video up so everyone can watch. Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

 

[Gardener1850]

So, just Chad...

Yep. Add to that-- Tammy was found dead on the bedroom floor, not in bed based on this post by one of our VI's: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #3

 

[Avocado49]

Did anyone else catch the new Fox 10 footage? Here's some of the 911 call and footage with Lori
Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

“The report, however, said moments before the shooting, Lori heard the gunshot and walked from the kitchen to the living room to find Charles' body. Then she checks on the kids in the car. She almost went back inside before ultimately driving off.“

how did she hear a gunshot moments before the shooting?