Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

[Avocado49]

Did anyone else catch the new Fox 10 footage? Here's some of the 911 call and footage with Lori
Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

wow. So weird to see Lori and Tylee return.

“The report, however, said moments before the shooting, Lori heard the gunshot and walked from the kitchen to the living room to find Charles' body. Then she checks on the kids in the car. She almost went back inside before ultimately driving off.“

how did she hear a gunshot moments before the shooting?

 

[carbuff]

“The report, however, said moments before the shooting, Lori heard the gunshot and walked from the kitchen to the living room to find Charles' body. Then she checks on the kids in the car. She almost went back inside before ultimately driving off.“

how did she hear a gunshot moments before the shooting?

Quick TARDIS trip?

 

[Gardener1850]

“The report, however, said moments before the shooting, Lori heard the gunshot and walked from the kitchen to the living room to find Charles' body. Then she checks on the kids in the car. She almost went back inside before ultimately driving off.“

how did she hear a gunshot moments before the shooting?

Maybe the first shot missed? Or poor wording. MOO.

 

[Bray2020]

I caught the Justin Lum Fox 10 update and, if I heard correctly, the argument began when Lori refused to give Charles his cell phone. Anyone else see/hear this?

I caught the Justin Lum Fox 10 update and, if I heard correctly, the argument began when Lori refused to give Charles his cell phone. Anyone else see/hear this?

Yeah. When the police ask AC what happened he talks about CV being mad because LV wouldn't give him his phone back. I thought this was strange because according to the divorce papers that were rescinded, LV had stolen like 35 grand from him a few months before the shooting. But he was "enraged" because she had his cellphone? Seems a little odd.

 

[fred&edna]

This is going to be kinda long, but can I just tell you how giddy I am that ya’ll are finally looking in to PAP? I’ve really struggled with this since the day after Christmas when they scrubbed their ENTIRE website, and threw videos from 6 years ago on there, then claimed to be a small media group.

I have tried and tried to get people to look into it with me and I was met with resistance everywhere. I’ve constantly been shut down and told they are nobodies. Which IMO, is exactly what they wanted.

Now that ya’ll have started sluething this group, I’ll give you some info to look into. The founders of PAP, are two people. A husband and wife. (I dint think I can name names, but it’s not hard to find out.)

They have screamed up one wall and down the other that they barely knew Chad, and have even put out a virtual Cease and Desist order. (Eyeroll) however I have a video on Vimeo that shows Chad and chatting with the founders, and the founder admitting that they moved from Utah to Idaho BECAUSE OF CHAD. After all of this went down with people looking into Chad and Lori, bam. They packed up and moved back to Utah and scrubbed their site.

They operate under a bunch of different group names, however it’s all the same key people involved in all of this. If anyone is hiding anything or anyone, it is these key individuals.

So far, I know of 6 different group names that is involved. I am not sure if I am allowed to name these different groups or not. But AVOW, is not the only I’ve with multiple paywalls.

AVOW has always had them, however, the AVOW owner has been quite transparent in letting everyone know that they can join, if they want to. They just have to pay. However PAP has dissolved their links to these forums. You can only find it if you know exactly what it is you are looking for.

Also, the LDS church has a name for the PAP group. So they are very aware of them. Basically, not only are they an extreme prep/doomsday group, but they are also trying to change the history of the Book of Mormon, where Nephi’s vision took place, where the golden plates were found, etc.

They are also very much against the constitution as it stands, as well as what our kids are being taught in school....they think the government is making our kids like zombies and that they aren’t teaching them real math and history, etc...

I also watch a very disturbing video where they are basically grooming children from toddlers, to think they are visionaries and that all of their dreams are visions and everything in their dream is a symbol of these visions.

They are also VERY focused on this Youth Battalion thing, and supposedly are training youth to be like Moroni.

I don’t know if this will be deleted or not, and I’m not sure what I can link and what I can’t as far as sleuthing goes, but say perhaps you were curious about some of these things, some key words you might think about googling would be:

LDS HeartLanders
LDS Family media
Color My Media
The Isaiah Institute
Book of Mormon Evidence
Universal Model of Science
Firm Foundation
Etho Warrior Project
PAP dreams and visions
Youth Battalion


I think you will find all of these very interesting and you will find that Chad and Lori have close connections with all involved In these things. I had to stop listening to things after a while because I could completely see where Lori got her scary thoughts from....especially if she actually believed all of the bull these people fed her!

Vimeo is a treasure trove btw. Happy sleuthing!

I recognize many of the names, groups, businesses. Last time I attempted to listen/watch, I fell asleep despite the tales of exciting warriors, the over-the-top visions, and dooms date prepping activities that should have been inspiring me.

I wish they just had a secret map showing where the wanna-be grandpoo-bahs and their queens might hide amidst a wacky crisis.

 

[Avocado49]

Maybe the first shot missed? Or poor wording. MOO.

If the first shot missed CV wouldn’t have been lying on the ground though. So she already had his cell phone, maybe she had his keys too? Or she reached down and grabbed them from his pocket after he was shot - she knew the kids were waiting in the car (maybe she told Tylee to take JJ to the car after Charles grabbed the bat from Tylee?). Why would they go into Charles’ rental car to wait? Was Charles going to take both kids to breakfast? Why would Tylee get into Charles rental car instead of her own car? Especially after she had just (supposedly) had to get a bat to defend against Charles? Why didn’t Tylee call 911 then? Or when she heard the gunshots? Why didn’t she take JJ away in her own car?

 

[Gardener1850]

Yeah. When the police ask AC what happened he talks about CV being mad because LV wouldn't give him his phone back. I thought this was strange because according to the divorce papers that were rescinded, LV had stolen like 35 grand from him a few months before the shooting. But he was "enraged" because she had his cellphone? Seems a little odd.

I'm not saying I believe CV was "enraged" but it doesn't seem odd to me that Lori might try to steal his phone and refuse to give it back. CV reportedly recorded one of Lori's crazy rants on a phone call she made to him and he may have had that saved on his phone. KW said that recording was deleted and I wondered how it got deleted (she didn't elaborate). I don't think CV would delete that recording even if he hoped to reconcile with Lori in the future. Lori would delete it, however. MOO.

 

[Gardener1850]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
33 mins ·
"I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with the bat, so I went to my room and got my gun, 'cause I always carry it," Alex Cox said.

FOX 10 has obtained the police report, 911 call and the body camera footage from Chandler Police. The documents detail the perspective of Alex Cox and his sister Lori Vallow.

We've learned through the police report that Tylee Ryan picked up a metal bat before police say Charles Vallow pulled it away. Moments after Cox says he shoots Charles in "self-defense", the report reveals Lori drove off with Tylee and JJ in Charles' rental car. Lori returns later to meet with police.
Video: Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

 

[Avocado49]

Sorry! Can't remember, who exactly said Tammy was coughing and sick the night she died?

I keep thinking about this because I’m Tammy’s age, and I’ve gone into respiratory arrest in the middle of the night, and my kids had to call an ambulance (I was very sick with a respiratory infection and only have one lung due to resection of tumors, as well as asthma). When you can’t breathe (from a coughing fit) you wake up, you get help. You certainly would shake or kick the person next to you in bed, and show them that they need to call 911. If one collapsed on the floor, it would make a loud noise and the person near you would hear it and wake up alarmed and get help. Chad just say Tammy died peacefully in her sleep, but there is nothing peaceful about suffocating from a lung infection or asthma- I suppose unless you are heavily drugged with respiratory depressants. What I wonder is if Tammy was suffocated, by Chad, will the autopsy be able to show if she struggled, etc. at this point, or would it look the same inside as someone who suffocated from say, an asthma attack?

 

[Bray2020]

I'm not saying I believe CV was "enraged" but it doesn't seem odd to me that Lori might try to steal his phone and refuse to give it back. CV reportedly recorded one of Lori's crazy rants on a phone call she made to him and he may have had that saved on his phone. KW said that recording was deleted and I wondered how it got deleted (she didn't elaborate). I don't think CV would delete that recording even if he hoped to reconcile with Lori in the future. Lori would delete it, however. MOO.

Good point. I totally agree. I don't think it's odd that LV took the phone and wouldn't give it back, but I think it's odd that a situation like that would end in a shooting. I'm sure CV would be very angry if she deleted the recording he had of her, but I was making the point that a lot of bad things had already happened between the two. This incident seems mild compared to some of the other events that had taken place.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

On another note, I’m guessing Alex and Lori were both not working that day. I think it’s been awhile since Lori worked, but how about Alex? When did he normally work?

 

[snoflake20]

What’s this all about?

Where did you find this? That is very interesting, if true?! MOO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
33 mins ·
"I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with the bat, so I went to my room and got my gun, 'cause I always carry it," Alex Cox said.

FOX 10 has obtained the police report, 911 call and the body camera footage from Chandler Police. The documents detail the perspective of Alex Cox and his sister Lori Vallow.

We've learned through the police report that Tylee Ryan picked up a metal bat before police say Charles Vallow pulled it away. Moments after Cox says he shoots Charles in "self-defense", the report reveals Lori drove off with Tylee and JJ in Charles' rental car. Lori returns later to meet with police.
Video: Body camera shows aftermath of 2019 shooting that killed Charles Vallow

If you screenshot those papers you will read that Lori and Tylee were escorted to the police station to be interviewed.

 

[Avocado49]

The toys that were left actually had Jj's name on the ball. Also Chad is reported to have said Lori had no minor children, that to me meant he was indicating she had adult children only (Colby and Tylee) and didn't seem to be considering JJ.

We know that JJ played there, up until Sept. 23rd, with the neighbor kids.
Maybe Lori left JJ’s ball there on purpose to make it seem like JJ was there more recently?
Maybe it wasn’t Chad that LE spoke to during the welfare check, but rather Alex?

 

[Avocado49]

Where did you find this? That is very interesting, if true?! MOO

It was sent to me by private message, no idea where it is from. I thought folks here would know more.

 

[Mamabirdz]

Good point. I totally agree. I don't think it's odd that LV took the phone and wouldn't give it back, but I think it's odd that a situation like that would end in a shooting. I'm sure CV would be very angry if she deleted the recording he had of her, but I was making the point that a lot of bad things had already happened between the two. This incident seems mild compared to some of the other events that had taken place.

Re: The taking Charles’ phone and not giving it back. That is completely against the law. You cannot take a communication device from someone because that takes away their ability to call for help of something goes wrong.

I mean, Charles HAD his phone when he got there. So that means she took away his ability to communicate which is domestic violence that SHE created. He didn’t stand a chance at calling for help because IMO, they set him up.

ETA The first paragraph because I forgot it. Oops!

 

[Avocado49]

wow. So weird to see Lori and Tylee return.

Wait is that Lori in the blue (tie-dye?) t-shirt? And Tylee is in the black tank top? Or is that Melani?

 

[Avocado49]

Reports detail Valley man's death months before son went missing

 

[Avocado49]

Reports detail Valley man's death months before son went missing

“Ryan came out of her room with the metal bat after she was awakened by yelling outside her bedroom door. Ryan, who was trying to defend her mother, told police that her stepfather was too close, so she told him to back up, but he managed to take away the bat, according to police records.

Police say Lori Vallow’s brother, Alexander Lamar Cox, was at the home and intervened, beginning a confrontation in which Charles Vallow struck the back of Cox’s head with the bat. Cox told police that he then went to his bedroom, got his gun and demanded that Vallow leave.“

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I have to add a couple more things she had time to gather up before leaving in Charles’s car after watching the second video.

Her tiny wallet or purse
Her sunglasses

let’s add it up:
1 upset kid
Tylee
JJ’s backpack -likely
Her wallet
Her sunglasses
Charles’s keys

All instead of calling 911