Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

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  • #81
Reading through Tammy's obituary again, I'm 95% sure it was written by Tammy's family. It's very detailed about her growing-up years. From what I've seen, usually the "writer in the family" writes the obituary. But I suppose Chad got out of it as the grieving spouse. It seems like one more thing he rushed through/abdicated in her funeral process.<mod snip: rumor>
 
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  • #82
maybe because lori states the children are being homeschooled all LE needs to do is ask which state and then maybe that state has some laws about the records that must be kept. i think homeschooled children are required to take tests every so often to see how they are progressing. it might be , ok, you say the kids are homeschooled now the law is that, blah, blah. maybe there is some federal law about that which would be the most effective way to go at this point.

Oh! THIS is what I forgot to address, because this is stuff I am very familiar with!

Homeschooling laws vary greatly from state to state. (I don’t know if I’m allowed to link to an organization site that describes the requirements in a fairly easy-to-understand way. I can add it if that is permitted.)

Hawaii has what is considered a moderate level of requirements: submit a notice of intent, make sure your curriculum is in compliance with the statute, keep records, and submit annual progress reports.

Arizona has a low level: file affidavit of intent, provide a copy of the child’s birth certificate, keep records, and file a letter of termination when you STOP homeschooling. (This applies even when moving from one county to another.)

Texas is at the almost-nothing level, at least officially: Teach the required subjects, use a written curriculum. Homeschools are considered private schools in Texas. (Anecdotally, I’ve heard they can be kind of a pain in Texas... with regard to school districts trying to claim more power than they actually have by law, but I’ve never personally lived or homeschooled there.)

Idaho... well, Idaho is a homeschooler’s dream, if you want to choose the best methods for your particular child(ren) and family. Idaho requires no notice, one just chooses an instructor and teaches the required subjects. If the child has already been enrolled in school, one simply withdraws them and begins homeschooling.

This is so *normal* to me as a homeschool parent (my youngest is a senior this year) that I thought of it momentarily and then forgot to mention it as I read along. I immediately assumed way back that the reason the last date anyone was sure JJ had been seen was because Lori had withdrawn him from school to “homeschool”.

***my soapbox*** I’m a pretty strong advocate for homeschooling, and cases like this irritate the heck out of me. It makes homeschoolers look bad, and the general public will jump all over it and blame homeschooling, because it “allows” parents to get away with stuff... but really, public schools do nothing to prevent it, either.

I really hate that parents like this hide behind homeschooling, because it puts the freedom and flexibility of homeschoolers at risk - and for most of us in the modern era, THAT is what we seek, the adaptable education and lifestyle, even though the media would like to pretend we’re all homeschooling for “religious” reasons.
 
  • #83
Reading through Tammy's obituary again, I'm 95% sure it was written by Tammy's family. It's very detailed about her growing-up years. From what I've seen, usually the "writer in the family" writes the obituary. But I suppose Chad got out of it as the grieving spouse. It seems like one more thing he rushed through/abdicated in her funeral process. <rumor>

I am pretty sure that Lori, was definitely not his "new" girlfriend. Chad had been to Arizona, Southern Utah, he and Lori had done podcasts together. Lori was obviously infatuated with Chad, people commented that she loved his books.
 
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  • #84
Re: Podcasts

When two or more people are doing a podcast together, it does not mean they are physically in the same location. Co-hosting or interviews done via Skype or similar software are extremely common. (If my listening selection is a representative sample, it’s the more frequently used option.)

Yes, it’s a *normal* marketing method these days for authors to host podcasts or do interviews for no pay in a relevant niche... podcast do not usually bring in much income. One is fortunate if they manage to cover the hosting or equipment costs - the benefit is the visibility.
 
  • #85
All the people given as examples there couldn't pass for normal, and didn't hide their belief from others. Which doesn't seem to fit Lori. I mean, she didn't tell police her husband Charles wasn't her husband but an impostor.

yes and I think about how Chad kept up his “totally normal“ appearances right up through Tammy’s funeral (and maybe up until TG vacation) with his church, his ward, his family...it’s a strange disconnect. I think they both (Chad and Lori) seem to actually feel calm and peaceful after the deaths because they really believe it is what must be done, is part of the big picture, etc.
 
  • #86
This why I'm trying to glean information from other missing children's cases involving a report from another relative vs. from the custodial parent (like Zaela Walker, any others anyone can think of ?). What can they be held for, what legal options are there to force them to prove their children are alive ( if any), etc. Moo.

I keep thinking that KW and LW the grandparents, as JJ’s closest biological relatives and first kinship adoptive parents, should, in light of this situation, ask a judge to sign a temporary emergency custody order for JJ. Then, an amber alert can go out for him at least, and Lori can be taken in for kidnapping? MOO
 
  • #87
Did anyone notice while AC was being questioned sitting on the curb that he was asked how to spell Vallow? He spelled it Vallo. Certainly, after 15 years he knew how to spell it. Wonder why he did that? It was one of the first videos released.

I noticed that too. Chalked it up to Alex not being the most, um academic of the family, and I also feel like he was trying too hard to be casual and was really actually stressed out to the max.
 
  • #88
Speaking of, anyone ever come to any conclusion on the person she thought replaced Charles?

I tried to look up a Nick Schneider a few weeks ago and hit dead ends - who was he and why would he have killed Charles and taken over his body, and wanted JJ?
 
  • #89
maybe because lori states the children are being homeschooled all LE needs to do is ask which state and then maybe that state has some laws about the records that must be kept. i think homeschooled children are required to take tests every so often to see how they are progressing. it might be , ok, you say the kids are homeschooled now the law is that, blah, blah. maybe there is some federal law about that which would be the most effective way to go at this point.
If the parent says they are being homeschooled (JJ) then they should be in the home right? Not at a friend's house that turns out to be a lie. That is where the problem was I think, initially. Then, I think the disappearance, quick marriage, followed by death of AC put the spotlight on them even more.
 
  • #90
I'm wondering how Chad was able to explain away (to his children) marrying another woman mere weeks after his wife's death. Why the rush? Surely he didn't admit to cheating on Tammy with Lori? According to one of our VIs he joined his children on a family vacation around Thanksgiving (albeit without Lori), so they must have accepted his reasoning.
 
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BBM (Bold By Me). I don't think that the police would have wanted Chad to know that they were exhuming Tammy. They didn't even tell Tammy's parents it was happening. However, Chad worked in that cemetery for several years as a sexton. I would not be at all surprised if someone from the cemetery tipped Chad off that his wife's body was being exhumed on Dec 11. Our verified insider from Tammy's family told us that Tammy's body was put back within a day: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #4
But Tammy's family members heard about the exhumation somehow shortly after it happened (they went to the grave to check) so I believe Chad could have also heard about it happening.

MOO.
BBM. Chad was on the run by Dec 11. I wonder how would an acquaintance be able to reach him without the authorities being alerted to Chad's location?
 
  • #92
Reading through Tammy's obituary again, I'm 95% sure it was written by Tammy's family. It's very detailed about her growing-up years. From what I've seen, usually the "writer in the family" writes the obituary. But I suppose Chad got out of it as the grieving spouse. It seems like one more thing he rushed through/abdicated in her funeral process.<mod snip: rumor>
Yea, I am pretty sure it was written by Tammy's family, and it has a lot of information about her early years.
 
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  • #93
Charles' obituary was definitely written by his family. It doesn't mention Lori (not surprising, considering...), and it doesn't mention Tylee (even though she was his step daughter for many years), so I kind of guess that maybe Tylee and Charles didn't have the best of relationships? Does mention his three sons (2 older adult sons) and JJ as child with special needs. I am guessing Charles' sister wrote it.
 
  • #94
I'm wondering how Chad was able to explain away (to his children) marrying another woman mere weeks after his wife's death. Why the rush? Surely he didn't admit to cheating on Tammy with Lori? According to one of our VIs he joined his children on a family vacation around Thanksgiving (albeit without Lori), so they must have accepted his reasoning.
Why the rush? Don't you realize the end of the world is coming this July (sarcasm intended)?
 
  • #95
Stop the earth I want off! This is a whole new kind of crazy! I hope the kids are safe!
 
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Why the rush? Don't you realize the end of the world is coming this July (sarcasm intended)?
Yeah, I don't see his children buying it. Does anyone else remember reading about Lori and Chad predicting that China would attack US in 2019? What happens when their prophecies fail?
 
  • #98
The risk factors (mostly in retrospect) were there long before the children disappeared.

Violence in the household, mental health issues with a parent, etc.

I wonder if CPS was ever involved, I'm guessing not because they probably put up a good front until "18 months ago". I was just reading the #1 risk factor for child abuse deaths is prior CPS involvement.

I've also looked for references to tie to a Nick Schneider and finding nothing. I've looked at several different spellings because I'm not sure if Lori put into writing how to spell the last name. I'm wondering if there's a Nick Schneider in any of Chad's books?

Jmo
 
  • #99
Yea, there certainly were a lot of red flags. Custody battle with a previous husband (Joseph) for Tylee. Lori's brother assaulting that husband and serving time for it.
Lori moving to Hawaii (I presume without permission from Joseph, and I thought that was a no no?). Lori's brother killing JJ's father Charles (even with a self-defense claim, it's still a domestic violence situation).
And I also don't think CPS was involved, because I think a reporter would have dug that up. And we haven't heard a peep about any involvement from CPS.
 
  • #100
I believe Charles converted to LDS when he married Lori. Does anyone know what church he was beforehand?
 
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