Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

[tresir2012]

I was wrong! before I got distracted by Justin Lum's newest post. I was looking for information on MB and BB. I copied his post below:


Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
January 2 at 10:24 AM ·

Fox 10 has obtained court documents confirming what happened to Brandon Boudreaux on October 2 of 2019. Boudreaux is the ex-husband of Lori Vallow’s niece - Melani. The car shown below is Boudreaux’s Tesla with a bullet hole and broken window. Gilbert Police say Boudreaux came home from the gym that morning when a suspect shot at him, missing his head by inches. The shooter was parked in a car outside and drove off after the attack. By this time, Boudreaux says his ex-wife had moved to Idaho, following her aunt Lori to join Chad Daybell’s religious group. A text message shows Melani telling Boudreaux “the kids could remain with you in Arizona.”
BBM

Basically this all means that I need a long break from this case! SORRY!

It is confusing. But now we have two MSM links confirming MB went to Rexburg with Lori. And a link she was back in AZ on 2nd Oct. That's good for the timeline and shows that they are going back and forth between ID and AZ.

 

[tresir2012]

Posting an article about Boise. Seems like a good place to hide.


As Boise booms, a city faces the curse of ‘Californiacation’

 

[tresir2012]

So it seems like MB is following a few months behind Lori's plans. Divorce proceedings followed by the death or attempted murder in MB's case of the husband. Is her next step to disappear the children? BB actually works in auto insurance a cording to Linkedin so would likely have a large life insurance policy IMO.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

About Spud/potato harvest
JJ was in Madison:
https://www.msd321.com/docs/district/calendars/2019-2020 school calendar.pdf?id=2347
Potato harvest for JJ was Sept 27 - Oct 6.
Tammy worked in Sugar Salem:
Calendars
Potato harvest for her was Sept 28 - Oct 13 (paintball attack was Oct 9th)

Someone also asked about LDS or AVOW significance for the period. Oct 5-6, 2019 was General Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints October 2019 General Conference News and Announcements
General Conference is when the Prophet, Apostles, and General Authorities and Officers of the church teach for two days, 5 sessions of 2 hours each. It's a big deal. Potato harvest and general conference are always big deals. For those who are not involved in harvest and/or inclined to R&R often schedule family vacations during this period as well. This would be a super easy time to slip away from Rexburg.

Chad is working as a sales executive for Falls Printing according to his LinkedIn.

I'm not sure why Chad still had Falls Printing as his employment on LinkedIn. It was my understanding that at some point within the last two-three years he had become successful enough to quit that job and work full time from home at his writing and publishing business.
Someone could check into that.
One book his company (ETA: helped to get) published has nearly reached a $1Million at the box office (the fighting preacher box office - Google Search) (ETA: release date July 24, 2019). It has been scrubbed from SM but one of the family posted the mention in the end credits. I agree this may have been the reason for ditching the speaking gig (end-of-May 2019) to meet with production on a movie based on a book he wrote. But things went sour between then and Sept 23 for the same movie.

ETA: "reached nearly a" $1Million

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

Trying to seperate some spokes from the wheel. It has been suggested by several to follow the money:

Lori had money when she was married to Charles, she however did not have notoriety or fame. While I do believe she believed what Chad and his podcast friend advertised, could this be the underlying attraction to Chad? He was in the works for a movie deal and now she is on podcasts.

She dropped out of being a wife and mother in early 2019. She had second thoughts about losing out on what Charles's money could provide (possibly persuaded by others? I doubt it took much), pendulum swing of them getting back together. She doesn't want half of Charles's money that would be awarded to her in a divorce. She wants it all. The only way to achieve that is if he dies while they are married. Charles was meeting the landlord to rent another house. Time was the essence. If he was looking for another place what were the chances he was looking to refile? MOO

 

[Rush4087]

So it seems like MB is following a few months behind Lori's plans. Divorce proceedings followed by the death or attempted murder in MB's case of the husband. Is her next step to disappear the children? BB actually works in auto insurance a cording to Linkedin so would likely have a large life insurance policy IMO.

I'm confused again. I don't think MB was following Lori by 2 months, I think there's a good chance that she was WITH Lori - one of the 5 who all went up together around 9/3, well before any BB shooting attempt.

Unless it was ZP, or unless (as has been previously suggested by a poster) Tylee or "the friend" were being passed off as MB, I think there's a good chance that MB (because she and Lori were extremely close, and because like Lori, MB was supposedly already having an affair with someone in (or who would very soon be in) Rexburg (IP) was on the trip.

I really wish we could confirm who was on the trip up, and who was on the trip back (to me, AC went back to AZ in Tylee's Jeep the last week of Sept). Again, I wished (or hope that) LE had been (or was) able to find GPS, cc transaction, and possibly video from the trip up to AZ around 9/3, and the trip back to AZ (around 9/24) to see who exactly was in the car on each trip. I've always felt that was perhaps the key to finding the kids.

It's confusing - and maybe we'll never know)- as sounds like there were perhaps three blonde adult (Tylee close enough) females on the way up. Then maybe nobody but AC going back in Tylee's Jeep - but the kids and even Lori (and/or even MB) could have also been with him. But I tend to think MB didn't go back. She wanted nothing to do with her kids, and (assuming she was involved) she could orchestrate the attempt in BB's life (using AC) from Rexburg or Boise or wherever.

MB's travels I suppose are among the least known, even though she's neither dead nor in hiding. The other travel enigma is Tylee (only because we think JJ was almost surely in Rexburg from early Sept through 9/23, but I don't think we really really know Tylee was). PD suggested the kids hadn't been seen since (at least?) September. If I remember correctly, it wasn't an absolute statement with regard to Tylee, as I got the impression that a different blond (MB or "Lori's sister" could've been introduced as JJ's sister (and STILL without anyone using the name Tylee!).

I posted a thesis (even longer than my usual rants - I regret and apologize for being so long winded, I just can't shut up) a couple of wks ago on whether Tylee was even actually one of the 5 - as I wasn't sure ANYone who actually knew her (and wouldn't/couldn't be fooled into believing she was either Lori's sister, or MB, or the "friend") had confirmed that she was in Rexburg. This was in response to Lori's claim to "others" that Tylee had been dead for over a year (that, and the fact that Tylee's SM had ceased back in at least July, and the fact that it appeared that Lori - not Tylee -was using Tylee's phone to send money via Venmo to CR). Was anybody in Rexburg actually introduced to a person named Tylee? You'd think Rexburg PD could've confirmed this by showing SB and his son actual photos of Tylee, but I haven't read it stated as fact that they did so.

I have also not read (or seen confirmed) that MB was back in AZ for the shooting (can someone pls cite if different?), or that she possibly returned with AC around 9/24, but maybe I missed something. (and again, no one has actually confirmed that AC returned from ID to AZ in late Sept., but he had to have done so if he was in Tylee's Jeep and shooting at BB on 10/2).

MB texted from Rexburg not long after the attempted shooting of BB telling BB she was moving to Boise and didn't want the kids - and though BB had filed for divorce, they were not divorced yet. So if MB was behind the attempt to kill BB (with AC as the trigger), she had tried to kill BB before the divorce, not after (perhaps seeking insurance proceeds and inheritance), and didn't seem to care one way or the other about the 4 kids.

My earlier post agreeing with other's previous posts that things may indeed have been "all about the money" was simply to posit that in ALL of these cases - whether divorce proceedings had been initiated or not - the deaths, or murders, and/or attempted shootings all took place before a divorce was finalized. Spouses were seemingly seeking life insurance benefits and inheritance - before the possible division of assets by divorce

 

[CSIDreamer]

My issue, or hesitance, with ZP going to Rexburg is we've read in MSM (I am 90% sure it was MSM) that Alex was discovered by his bonus teenage child from this marriage. There is no mention of this additional child in Rexburg.

I really hate the word stepchild, hence I don't use it. Steps are something you walk on. Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

My issue, or hesitance, with ZP going to Rexburg is we've read in MSM (I am 90% sure it was MSM) that Alex was discovered by his bonus teenage child from this marriage. There is no mention of this additional child in Rexburg.

I really hate the word stepchild, hence I don't use it. Steps are something you walk on. Jmo

The family source said on GH's Dec 25 video that said child called 911 after Alex was found and that Alex died within 10 minutes.

 

[Rush4087]

My issue, or hesitance, with ZP going to Rexburg is we've read in MSM (I am 90% sure it was MSM) that Alex was discovered by his bonus teenage child from this marriage. There is no mention of this additional child in Rexburg.

I really hate the word stepchild, hence I don't use it. Steps are something you walk on. Jmo

I just think there were 5 on the way up on or around 9/3 (perhaps in two or even three vehicles, one of which I think was Tylee's Jeep, as AC had given his car to CR ) and either 1, 3, or 4 people on the way back (in Tylee's Jeep) around 9/24. If it was 3 or 4 people going back, then I think that's where the children went. Wish LE could check GPS, cc transactions and look for video at gas stations or motels along the way to see who was in the car(s) on these trips going both ways

 

[utahobserver]

If the property was in his name because one doesn't believe in paying income taxes or if it is part of a Trust and Alex is the Trustee of the Trust then such things could happen.

Find the tax liens (in the hundred of thousands of dollars) in Pinal County, AZ and Bexar County, TX. Find the Federal Tax Court cases in the 5th and 9th (two of them) circuits. (Appeals Court decisions spell things out easily enough).

This is fascinating when you apply it to the mindset that Lori may have towards government authority given her family’s deep history of tax protests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester

This is a pretty anti-government philosophy that a member of her immediate family went to prison for. I can’t imagine how they would help LE of any kind find these children in anyway whatsoever based on their belief.

The 2 court decisions referenced are available on the web. I am assuming we can’t link here. These cases went on for years! This family was consumed by them. Additionally, in 2018, there was a Cease and Desist ordered against an immediate family member for the unauthorized practice of law.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Nothing to quote but the CA cops addressed this. Yes, you are right but given the rough conditions the car could have sunk quickly. Even the Navy Seals could not get good info.

Rough conditions are relative. If the car flew into the ocean after a set of heavy waves, it would have been more calm and there might well have been a rip that carried it out.
I have surfed CA, MX and HI and am familiar with how that works. Big surf days still have fairly long delays between sets. It's obvious the car didn't get caught in the surf and pounded onto the rocks, it's just not there... but rather appears to have floated out.

 

[Rush4087]

The family source said on GH's Dec 25 video that said child called 911 after Alex was found and that Alex died within 10 minutes.

Yes, but that was in December. We know that ZP was on the road (gone from AZ) for at least some period of time, as she and AC were married in Vegas in Nov. I just assumed that except for his (unconfirmed) trip back down to AZ to shoot at BB, AC was probably living mostly in Rexburg from Sept until his marriage and return (with ZP) to AZ in (guessing) in November - and that it just made sense that ZP was up there with him during some of this time, but idk

 

[FindingJoLee]

This is fascinating when you apply it to the mindset that Lori may have towards government authority given her family’s deep history of tax protests. Tax protester - Wikipedia

This is a pretty anti-government philosophy that a member of her immediate family went to prison for. I can’t imagine how they would help LE of any kind find these children in anyway whatsoever based on their belief.

The 2 court decisions referenced are available on the web. I am assuming we can’t link here. These cases went on for years! This family was consumed by them. Additionally, in 2018, there was a Cease and Desist ordered against an immediate family member for the unauthorized practice of law.

The general attitude you can apply to many of the people involved in this is "Rules don't apply to me."

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

Have the amounts of the venmo payments been made public?

 

[tresir2012]

I'm confused again. I don't think MB was following Lori by 2 months, I think there's a good chance that she was WITH Lori - one of the 5 who all went up together around 9/3, well before any BB shooting attempt.

Unless it was ZP, or unless (as has been previously suggested by a poster) Tylee or "the friend" were being passed off as MB, I think there's a good chance that MB (because she and Lori were extremely close, and because like Lori, MB was supposedly already having an affair with someone in (or who would very soon be in) Rexburg (IP) was on the trip.

I really wish we could confirm who was on the trip up, and who was on the trip back (to me, AC went back to AZ in Tylee's Jeep the last week of Sept). Again, I wished (or hope that) LE had been (or was) able to find GPS, cc transaction, and possibly video from the trip up to AZ around 9/3, and the trip back to AZ (around 9/24) to see who exactly was in the car on each trip. I've always felt that was perhaps the key to finding the kids.

It's confusing - and maybe we'll never know)- as sounds like there were perhaps three blonde adult (Tylee close enough) females on the way up. Then maybe nobody but AC going back in Tylee's Jeep - but the kids and even Lori (and/or even MB) could have also been with him. But I tend to think MB didn't go back. She wanted nothing to do with her kids, and (assuming she was involved) she could orchestrate the attempt in BB's life (using AC) from Rexburg or Boise or wherever.

MB's travels I suppose are among the least known, even though she's neither dead nor in hiding. The other travel enigma is Tylee (only because we think JJ was almost surely in Rexburg from early Sept through 9/23, but I don't think we really really know Tylee was). PD suggested the kids hadn't been seen since (at least?) September. If I remember correctly, it wasn't an absolute statement with regard to Tylee, as I got the impression that a different blond (MB or "Lori's sister" could've been introduced as JJ's sister (and STILL without anyone using the name Tylee!).

I posted a thesis (even longer than my usual rants - I regret and apologize for being so long winded, I just can't shut up) a couple of wks ago on whether Tylee was even actually one of the 5 - as I wasn't sure ANYone who actually knew her (and wouldn't/couldn't be fooled into believing she was either Lori's sister, or MB, or the "friend") had confirmed that she was in Rexburg. This was in response to Lori's claim to "others" that Tylee had been dead for over a year (that, and the fact that Tylee's SM had ceased back in at least July, and the fact that it appeared that Lori - not Tylee -was using Tylee's phone to send money via Venmo to CR). Was anybody in Rexburg actually introduced to a person named Tylee? You'd think Rexburg PD could've confirmed this by showing SB and his son actual photos of Tylee, but I haven't read it stated as fact that they did so.

I have also not read (or seen confirmed) that MB was back in AZ for the shooting (can someone pls cite if different?), or that she possibly returned with AC around 9/24, but maybe I missed something. (and again, no one has actually confirmed that AC returned from ID to AZ in late Sept., but he had to have done so if he was in Tylee's Jeep and shooting at BB on 10/2).

MB texted from Rexburg not long after the attempted shooting of BB telling BB she was moving to Boise and didn't want the kids - and though BB had filed for divorce, they were not divorced yet. So if MB was behind the attempt to kill BB (with AC as the trigger), she had tried to kill BB before the divorce, not after (perhaps seeking insurance proceeds and inheritance), and didn't seem to care one way or the other about the 4 kids.

My earlier post agreeing with other's previous posts that things may indeed have been "all about the money" was simply to posit that in ALL of these cases - whether divorce proceedings had been initiated or not - the deaths, or murders, and/or attempted shootings all took place before a divorce was finalized. Spouses were seemingly seeking life insurance benefits and inheritance - before the possible division of assets by divorce

I meant in her life events she is behind Lori. Lori's divorce proceeding were March and MB's began in July. CV was shot in July, and BB was shot at in Oct. The MSM about MB being in Az for BB to drop the kids off to her was in the MSM for his shooting attempt and has been recently posted a few posts back.

 

[tresir2012]

I just think there were 5 on the way up on or around 9/3 (perhaps in two or even three vehicles, one of which I think was Tylee's Jeep, as AC had given his car to CR ) and either 1, 3, or 4 people on the way back (in Tylee's Jeep) around 9/24. If it was 3 or 4 people going back, then I think that's where the children went. Wish LE could check GPS, cc transactions and look for video at gas stations or motels along the way to see who was in the car(s) on these trips going both ways

If they had Melani's 2020 Kia Telluride they could all fit in that. I think they had that and Tylee's jeep.

 

[tresir2012]

Have the amounts of the venmo payments been made public?

I havent see amounts only the narrative.

 

[Rush4087]

Posting an article about Boise. Seems like a good place to hide.


As Boise booms, a city faces the curse of ‘Californiacation’

A great point I think. Boise is certainly one of the places AC, and/or Lori, and/or MB could've dropped the kids on AC's (speculated) trip back down to AZ in Tylee's Jeep in late Sept to shoot at BB.

I never entirely bought into the thinking that MB was necessarily trying to deceive or misdirect BB when she texted him (I think from Rexburg, after the attempt on BB's life) saying that she was planning to move to Boise (and that she didn't want the kids). Why would she have cared whether BB knew where she was? He had already filed for divorce, so I don't think she would've been trying to avoid being served. I think perhaps BB was afraid she'd find him, not the other way around.

So if Melani said Boise, maybe she meant Boise. If this was a "reveal", perhaps Boise was (at one time anyway) the intended "gathering place" for MB and IP, Lori and CD, and the children. Just thinking..

 

[Rush4087]

I was wrong! before I got distracted by Justin Lum's newest post. I was looking for information on MB and BB. I copied his post below:


Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
January 2 at 10:24 AM ·

Fox 10 has obtained court documents confirming what happened to Brandon Boudreaux on October 2 of 2019. Boudreaux is the ex-husband of Lori Vallow’s niece - Melani. The car shown below is Boudreaux’s Tesla with a bullet hole and broken window. Gilbert Police say Boudreaux came home from the gym that morning when a suspect shot at him, missing his head by inches. The shooter was parked in a car outside and drove off after the attack. By this time, Boudreaux says his ex-wife had moved to Idaho, following her aunt Lori to join Chad Daybell’s religious group. A text message shows Melani telling Boudreaux “the kids could remain with you in Arizona.”
BBM

Basically this all means that I need a long break from this case! SORRY!

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

The reason I ask about the venmo payments: I keep hoping these children are alive so I reach for anything that could point in that direction. Every one thinks it would be a lot to take on JJ especially unmedicated. A lot of people are trying alternative medicines to treat their children due to the side effects prescribed drugs can have long term. Some states have lenient laws in acquiring these medicines. Nothing sinister but legit. I would try it. Just a thought that if his alive he may not necessarily be unmedicated.