Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #17

[Avocado49]

This is bizarre. Just went back to Lori's case on the Idaho site and dates of the offenses for the charges have changed.

They now read ... with the obstruction and criminal solicitation charges being 11/26/019 and the second charge of Desertion and non-support becoming September 8th. (Assuming Tylee)

1 Desertion and Nonsupport of Dependent Child Under 18 YOAI18-401(1) Felony 09/23/2019
2 Desertion and Nonsupport of Dependent Child Under 18 YOAI18-401(1) Felony 09/08/2019
3 Arrests & Seizures-Resisting or Obstructing OfficersI18-705 Misdemeanor 11/26/2019
4 Criminal Solicitation to Commit a CrimeI18-2001 {M}Misdemeanor 11/26/2019
5 Contempt of Court-Criminal-Willful disobedience or court process or order18-1801(4) Misdemeanor 01/30/2020
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And the Contempt charge is now 1/30/2020.

Either I am catching them while they are editing or they are reading here and saw the mistakes and corrected them.

yeah that makes more sense - the day she lied to LE re: obstructing justice

and the days the kids were each last seen being the abandonment charges

 

[afitzy]

Yes it could be like tampering or hindering. Let me look up the charge.


ETA:
For the familiar with the Dulos case it’s like hindering in CT. It includes giving false info to LE:


Every person who wilfully resists, delays or obstructs any public officer, in the discharge, or attempt to discharge, of any duty of his office or who knowingly gives a false report to any peace officer, when no other punishment is prescribed, is punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), and imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one (1) year.
» Idaho Code 18-705 – Resisting and Obstructing OfficersLawServer

https://legislature.search.idaho.gov/search
TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 4
ABANDONMENT OR NONSUPPORT OF WIFE OR CHILDREN
18-401. DESERTION AND NONSUPPORT OF CHILDREN OR SPOUSE. Every person who:
(1) Having any child under the age of eighteen (18) years dependent upon him or her for care, education or support, deserts such child in any manner whatever, with intent to abandon it;
(2) Willfully omits, without lawful excuse, to furnish necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical attendance for his or her child or children, or ward or wards; provided however, that the practice of a parent or guardian who chooses for his child treatment by prayer or spiritual means alone shall not for that reason alone be construed to be a violation of the duty of care to such child;
(3) Having sufficient ability to provide for a spouse’s support, or who is able to earn the means for such spouse’s support, who willfully abandons and leaves a spouse in a destitute condition, or who refuses or neglects to provide such spouse with necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical attendance, unless by the spouse’s misconduct he or she is justified in abandoning him or her;
Shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punishable by a fine of not more than five hundred dollars ($500), or by imprisonment for not to exceed fourteen (14) years, or both.
History:
[I.C., sec. 18-401, as added by 1972, ch. 336, sec. 1, p. 859; am. 1972, ch. 381, sec. 8, p. 1089; am. 2000, ch. 294, sec. 1, p. 1011.]


Here is the other charge @gitana1:

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 20
CRIMINAL SOLICITATION
18-2001. DEFINITION OF SOLICITATION. A person is guilty of criminal solicitation to commit a crime if with the purpose of promoting or facilitating its commission he solicits, importunes, commands, encourages or requests another person to engage in specific conduct which would constitute such crime or an attempt to commit such crime or which would establish complicity in its commission or attempted commission.
History:
[18-2001, added 1982, ch. 270, sec. 1, p. 701.]

 

[MassGuy]

So it seems that Hawaii child abandonment laws (709-902) are much more lenient than Idaho's. It only covers children 14 and under and is considered a misdemeanor, not a felony. Might this be the reason they went back to Hawaii?

It doesn’t matter. She is charged in Idaho, and subject to Idaho law.

 

[Avocado49]

I wonder if the criminal solicitation was to her son? And he turned on her for his siblings.

well she did have Alex lie for her that day 11/26

but I wonder how CR is doing right now.

 

[Jethro4WS]

If so, they're dumb since the kids didn't go missing from Hawaii.

Definitely cannot rule out stupidity because it is always possible she was taking legal advice from her father.

 

[fred&edna]

Yes. We often see the term used in anti-prostitution charges. But it’s soliciting someone- engaging or asking someone to commit a crime.

Soooo, now I'm chomping at the bit to know who was she offering to pay and for what service??

 

[cody22]

Oh my gosh, wouldn't that be amazing if the person who had the kids came forward and that's what facilitated the arrest today??? But I doubt that's what happened...

So happy this awful woman is behind bars.

May she be extradited to Idaho -- and leave the beautiful archipelago of Hawaii -- sooner rather than later!!!

Opinion - Alex got rid of the kids, but someone else close to Lori has flipped ( with some knowledge of the kid's vanishing) and is snitching Lori out.....moo

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Per these dates, Lori didn't resist arrest in Hawaii. Resisting and obstructing charge is from Idaho, I presume when police there asked her where the children were and she send them on a wild goose chase.

When they conducted the welfare check She lied and said they were with relatives in Arizona

 

[BigAl16]

I bet the jail cells are colder in Idaho.

While I was watching dateline every time they'd go from showing something in AZ or HI to that shot of the watertower and a snow covered Rexburg I'd shiver and ask myself why I haven't turned into a snowbird.

MOO

 

[justice be served]

Definitely cannot rule out stupidity because it is always possible she was taking legal advice from her father.

Is her father an attorney?

 

[jjenny]

Yea, I do think police found a witness who says Lori solicited him or her (or possibly a third party) to do something not exactly legal.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

Wait!!?? What?? What does that mean?? Escape is easy or she can literally walk out if wanted to??

Here's the thing though, do your research on Kauai jail cuz if you want to walk out you can.

 

[Avocado49]

Alex and IIRC, also Chad both lied when the police came for the welfare check in November

I keep wondering about the relative/friend in AZ that she said JJ was with.
Is it possible that JJ *was* with that person (ZP?) and she had that person lie to LE and say JJ wasn’t there?

 

[carbuff]

While I was watching dateline every time they'd go from showing something in AZ or HI to that shot of the watertower and a snow covered Rexburg I'd shiver and ask myself why I haven't turned into a snowbird.

MOO

Me too.

We were in Honolulu last fall, and ever since we got back, one of our major conversations is, "Why didn't we stay?" "I don't know, maybe we should have stayed."

 

[jjenny]

I had really been hoping someone at JJ's school saw Tylee picking up JJ one day in September before he was taken out of school, but that does not bode well at all that no one saw her dropping him off or picking him up after the eighth. MOO

No, it sounds like Tylee went missing first. Nobody must have seen her since September 8th?

 

[fred&edna]

Is her father an attorney?

He was in the world of pretend.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Is her father an attorney?

No, never was. But you can find the Pro Se cases that were laughed out of Federal Courts and Federal Appellate Courts and well, then there is the Arizona Bar Association taking action, and other pro se cases in state courts.

 

[afitzy]

So it seems that Hawaii child abandonment laws (709-902) are much more lenient than Idaho's. It only covers children 14 and under and is considered a misdemeanor, not a felony. Might this be the reason they went back to Hawaii?

One theory on trip to HI was that there might not be extradition for misdemeanours.

Florida, Alaska, and Hawaii do not extradite for a misdemeanor conviction that was convicted in the US, as of 2010. ... Federal charges are governed by US federal law and most states, with the exceptions of South Carolina and Missouri, have adopted the Uniform Criminal Extradition Act.

 

[Gardener1850]

So it seems that Hawaii child abandonment laws (709-902) are much more lenient than Idaho's. It only covers children 14 and under and is considered a misdemeanor, not a felony. Might this be the reason they went back to Hawaii?

The children were never in Hawaii with them, so, no that doesn't apply IMO.

 

[Avocado49]

'We are elated. We are relieved.' Grandparents react to Lori Daybell's arrest | East Idaho News

Good old attorney Sean nowhere to be found?