Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18

[SuziQ]

“A doorbell camera from a neighbor who lived directly across from Vallow recorded Joshua playing outside on Sept. 17... Joshua was enrolled at Kennedy Elementary for three weeks and was last seen alive here on Sept. 23”
New info revealed in Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan disappearance

Yes, you remember correctly.

I wonder if both kids could have gone missing after the 23rd? Though Tylee hasn’t been seen since the 9th, doesn’t mean she was gone since then (since she was no longer attending school, she may have been more reclusive). Any reason to think Tylee was definitely gone first?

I bet Tylee was not seen on the neighbor's video after 9-8-2019.

 

[Deerrun]

I googled Risperdone overdose...interesting.

I will google too, i was wondering about that and td, thanks imo

Eta: I googled it and wow what a dangerous drug in the wrong hands. It has a blackbox warning

 

[indicolite22]

I wonder if both kids could have gone missing after the 23rd? Though Tylee hasn’t been seen since the 9th, doesn’t mean she was gone since then (since she was no longer attending school, she may have been more reclusive). Any reason to think Tylee was definitely gone first?

Was there a need for a babysitter for JJ if Tylee was still in the home?

 

[303gmf]

Maybe her temple recommend expired and the local church leadership would need her records to issue a new one (assuming CD had a current recommend) so that they could be sealed in the temple? I don’t know...MOO

Wait, wait..if this crazy evil creature has a temple recommend with her history something rotten smells in that club

 

[BigAl16]

If you move your mouse over parts of that page around the section mentioning Chad you will see links to the website for a private school in Gilbert Arizona and the website for a book titled War Chapters whose author seems familiar. Why?

The links on that page are seriously messed up. I'm not positive which link is to the school you're talking about, but my best guess is a link that comes up over the both Chad's section and the other person you're asking about. That other person is a former LE person who I think had some questionable things happen in one of the surburban Phoenix departments (Chadler or Gilbert, IIRC) and then moved to the Phoenix City PD for a period. He's been mentioned here because of his perceived issues as a member of LE as well as being involved with the organization that can't be named.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I'm still trolling the internet for people on YouTube or Twitter who might be live streaming from the court house... No luck yet... Knew I should have flown down myself...

 

[Webbie16]

Can we talk best case and worst case scenario for what happens today? Is there any way she can walk?

 

[Redvines86]

From youtube it looks like all the major news is covering now, USA, GMA, People etc... inwas hoping they'd send Justin Lum over here to cover it! He should get to MOO


WTH e double hockey sticks ooops I meant CDC, (the lawyer) why would you?!!

I love it!! Use all that money up Lori!! Lol, I don't think that stash is getting replenished anytime soon. MOO

 

[carbuff]

DBM. And damn autocorrect.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

In my opinion the whole Yellowstone NP thing is a wild goose chase. There is no evidence that I've seen which indicates that Tylee was seen entering the park but not seen leaving the park. There's one photo of her at the entrance to the park. That's it.

The photo only proves that Tylee was alive and in the park on Sept 8. The photo does not prove that Tylee was no longer alive on Sept 9 or that she somehow remained in the park beyond Sept 8.

If I've missed something and someone has seen evidence that LE has video of a car leaving the park which conspicuously does not contain Tylee, please post.

As I mentioned in a previous post, there are tons of places which are more remote, less crowded, less surveilled (and with no JJ present) in which to disappear Tylee if one chose to do so. In fact, if one chose to disappear Tylee on that particular day and on that particular trip, anywhere along the route between Rexburg and Yellowstone would have been a much, much, much more isolated and remote location at which to do so. Jmo

BBM: While this is a good point, per LE, there are NO witnesses who can verify that they have seen Tylee since September 8, 2019.

Also, Tylee's cell phone was seized in Hawaii - so why the hello was Tylee's phone with LV in Hawaii? I have no doubt LE went through that phone, phone records, thoroughly.

JMO and MOO

 

[KonaHonu]

I'm still trolling the internet for people on YouTube or Twitter who might be live streaming from the court house... No luck yet...

There is a tv channel on kauai called Ho'ike Community Television Studio, Public-Access Television | Lihue, HI that might stream it. Nothing up there yet but it is the kind of thing they might routinely do. KHON2 is also carrying it live hopefully.

 

[Angleterre]

Isn't the Yellowtone Death Zone more of an urban legend/weird legal gray area than actual place to get away with murder though? I seriously doubt anyone could actually get away with murder just because they committed it in a certain place...

The Yellowstone Zone of Death is the name given to the 50 sq mi (129.50 km2) Idaho section of Yellowstone National Park in which, as a result of a purported loopholein the Constitution of the United States, a criminal could theoretically get away with any crime, up to and including murder.[1][2][3][4][5]


LoopholeEdit
The court district governing Wyoming is currently the only court district in the US to have jurisdiction over land in other states. This is due to the fact that all of Yellowstone National Park, which includes parts of Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana, is part of the Wyoming judicial district. Any criminal discovered to have committed a crime in that district would usually be brought to Cheyenne, Wyoming, where the court for the Wyoming district is. However, the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution decrees that juries in federal criminal cases must be from both the district and state where the crime was committed. Because of this, a crime committed in the "Zone of Death" would be constitutionally required to be tried in and include only jury members from the Zone.[6]

However, because the area of Yellowstone in Idaho is uninhabited, a jury cannot be assembled and the criminal would be unable to have a fair trial, meaning that they could not receive any legal punishment for major crimes.[7][6] In addition, the federal government has exclusive jurisdiction over Yellowstone National Park, so state prosecutors would be unable to act.


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[KonaHonu]

Can we talk best case and worst case scenario for what happens today? Is there any way she can walk?

Never predict what Hawaii courts might do! But I thin the chance of her walking is extremely remote.

 

[carbuff]

I agree in that there would be no special reason to leave her in the park. The thermal features that people would actually know about in the park are in highly visited areas. I can't recall if you drive up to the south entrance from Jackson, WY, don't you have to go through the Grand Teton Nat'l Park entrance gate as well? I hope that with the photo evidence they have some cell tower ping information to help track their journey which could confirm they were truly sightseeing that day.

From Rexburg, they'd be more likely to go north through Henry's Flat, then enter through the West Entrance in West Yellowstone. More services too if they wanted to stop for lunch or something. But the documents don't seem to give any clues I can see as to which it was. Did anybody else catch something?

People who live in the area often go to less traveled places and have favorite loops and walks where they can avoid the tourists. Except in the most crowded areas, like immediately around Old Faithful, you can find long stretches of pathway where you can't see anybody and nobody can see you.

And of course there's Cave Falls, which was mentioned earlier in relation to that Idaho-Wyoming jurisdictional glitch. I find that the most likely if only because some of LV's unnamable family members seem to fancy themselves as lawyers.

eta: damn autocorrect anyway

 

[Onsdag]

Something that is bothering me is the timing of the disappearances. Previously I had assumed they were both last seen (and therefore disappeared) around the same time. However, that doesn't appear to be the case. According to information released today, Tylee was last seen September 8, 2019, whereas JJ was last seen a full two weeks later on September 23.

So why did Tylee disappear first? And why keep JJ around for an additional two weeks? Consider also that Tylee is Lori's own flesh and blood, whereas JJ isn't.

If they are still alive and just in hiding somewhere then it wouldn't make sense to have them disappear at different times. It would be best to keep the children together, especially since they would likely be the only familiar faces the kids would have to help provide some stability in their upturned lives.

If they are dead then why do the deed separately? And why kill Tylee weeks before JJ? I mean if they're going to kill Tylee, Lori's own daughter, presumably because she was a witness and potential liability in Charles' death, then why would Lori be bothered to keep little JJ around whom she apparently viewed as a burden and not even her child?

It just doesn't make any sense to me. Any thoughts?

I guess the other possibility still exists that they were in fact disappeared together, just nobody ever saw Tylee in the two weeks prior to them disappearing.

Court documents lay out timeline of investigation, detail last time Tylee and JJ were seen | East Idaho News

 

[Sheila Terranova]

I love it!! Use all that money up Lori!! Lol, I don't think that stash is getting replenished anytime soon. MOO

I wonder if once they were wed LV suggested Chad put his life insurance in her name ( as a non working spouse worried about her future should her husband die an untimely death) guaranteeing him she’ll always take care of his kids, no worries there. That should have given him pause.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Can we talk best case and worst case scenario for what happens today? Is there any way she can walk?

Nope. From what I understand, she's being held for extradition, and that's a whole different thing. Even if she did make bail, she'd have to post it in Idaho, not Hawaii, since that's where the charges are filed.

In other words, she's not being held in Hawaii because she committed a crime there, she's being held in Hawaii because she committed crimes in Idaho.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

BBM: While this is a good point, per LE, there are NO witnesses who can verify that they have seen Tylee since September 8, 2019.

Also, Tylee's cell phone was seized in Hawaii - so why the hello was Tylee's phone with LV in Hawaii? I have no doubt LE went through that phone, phone records, thoroughly.

JMO and MOO

Exactly! I'm guessing (NOT VERIFIED, MOO!!!) that LE is saying Tylee last seen at Yellowstone on Sept 8th because they haven't even seen surveillance footage featuring Tylee since that time. Did they see her on surveillance footage going there too? It would seem very bad if she was caught on surveillance going TO the park but not BACK FROM the park.
MOO.

 

[FindingJoLee]

He (Sean) is in Idaho. He can't represent her here. Legally he probably could get permission from the court but since this is all happening quickly his not being here prevents him from representing her. She probably wants out quickly. It's not going to happen but she probably thinks it will.

I misread that as "He probably wants out quickly."

 

[investigatefred]

This story will most likely be her defense. She will now say that her brother most likely killed the children and disposed of their bodies in retaliation.

I recall reading somewhere that that happened a year or more ago?? It would not have anything to do with her current situation...