Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18

[Alohaj]

Hawaii is small. EVERY attorney works for the state and private clients sometimes! I can't imagine they even keep strict conflict of interest because it would be impossible to keep the system functional.

Please stop posting things that are untrue.

 

[Alohaj]

How is it political? Either it's legal or it's not. One or the other.

It’s not legal on a federal level and conveys none of the federal rights and protections that a marriage does, including SS benefits.

 

[A little bit intuitive]

There is wisdom in what you say. That's one of the good things about this forum - many people from all walks of life bringing together their thoughts, ideas, perspectives, and life experiences in an attempt to find answers and find the kids. I've benefited from listening to other people, even if I disagree with them on certain points. I've even thrown out crazy ideas that I thought had no merit, later discovering that is exactly what happened. This is such a crazy and complex case with so many people and factors at play that it's hard to know just what is going on and why.

And you're right. We do need to be careful. Not just in what we listen to or accept, but also in what we say and post. Please don't take this as calling you out - I'm not. I'm certain I've been guilty of posting things that others might find hurtful or offensive without thinking about how it might affect them.

Earlier I expressed outrage at a young lady for sticking her tongue out and making faces at others in a situation that I felt demanded more respect and consideration. And yet isn't that what many of us, myself included, are doing figuratively when we make hurtful comments (as an example, such as comparing Chad to a frog) when there are real people with real feelings involved? We should be treating everyone with dignity and consideration, even if, no - especially if - they are guilty. Why? Because there are still innocent victims involved that might not be at the forefront of the case. Innocent victims that might call Chad father, grandpa, brother, uncle, son, friend. And when we try and hurt Chad by calling him names, mocking him, threatening him, or whatever the case may be, we are, by extension, doing those very same things to these other innocent victims we don't hear about and hurting or offending them.

And I'm not saying that we shouldn't expose corruption and crime wherein we find them, just that we perhaps ought to do so a little more carefully. That is, after all, part of what this website is about, right? Being professional and courteous towards all people, even if we disagree.

Just one man's humble opinion. FWIW.

ETA. Oh, and I believe for the most part everyone does treat each other with respect and this site has been very professional. But there is still room for improvement. Myself included.

Thank you for your kind perspective. I feel it also important to choose our words wisely and honour each others thoughts.

 

[Angleterre]

The most interesting part of the hearing today was Lori’s response when the judge declared the bond. Watch for her exhale at that point. Then she turns to her attorney and looks very angry as she says “5 Million”. Then I think the attorney talks her down by saying something to the effect that he will talk to “Craig” and that there are other things that are more important things to worry about than the bail amount. MOO. Any other thoughts about what he tells Lori?

I don’t know but it sure is amusing the way that she doesn’t seem to realise that she has to go out the rear door with the corrections officer instead of with her attorney- she seems almost surprised

 

[tresir2012]

I feel compelled to respectfully say that these statements are not necessarily true and will mislead people on here about Hawaii.

Just like in the mainland states, people can get ordained to perform weddings online. But I would not call them “wedding performers” here in Hawaii, that is somewhat insulting. Many of those performing weddings are local Hawaiians & I don’t think they would feel like they were “performing”.

The state of Hawaii, like any state in our 50 state union, are bound by federal laws as well. Even though there are Hawaiian activists that protest certain government things whether they be state or federal, the state still in force as its laws to all Hawaii residents. Even though it does feel like we live in a Third World country sometimes, this is still part of the United States.

To say that “the Marines” overthrew the Hawaiian government is inaccurate, and it was not a government, it was a monarchy.

Wikipedia:
”Description
The overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom began on January 17, 1893, with a coup d'état against Queen Liliʻuokalani on the island of Oahu by subjects of the Hawaiian Kingdom, United States citizens, and foreign residents residing in Honolulu. A majority of the insurgents were foreigners.” Wikipedia

Who were the foreign insurgents in the coup d'etat? (I have noticed the UK flag is on the Hawaiian flag.)

 

[Alohaj]

There is wisdom in what you say. That's one of the good things about this forum - many people from all walks of life bringing together their thoughts, ideas, perspectives, and life experiences in an attempt to find answers and find the kids. I've benefited from listening to other people, even if I disagree with them on certain points. I've even thrown out crazy ideas that I thought had no merit, later discovering that is exactly what happened. This is such a crazy and complex case with so many people and factors at play that it's hard to know just what is going on and why.

And you're right. We do need to be careful. Not just in what we listen to or accept, but also in what we say and post. Please don't take this as calling you out - I'm not. I'm certain I've been guilty of posting things that others might find hurtful or offensive without thinking about how it might affect them.

Earlier I expressed outrage at a young lady for sticking her tongue out and making faces at others in a situation that I felt demanded more respect and consideration. And yet isn't that what many of us, myself included, are doing figuratively when we make hurtful comments (as an example, such as comparing Chad to a frog) when there are real people with real feelings involved? We should be treating everyone with dignity and consideration, even if, no - especially if - they are guilty. Why? Because there are still innocent victims involved that might not be at the forefront of the case. Innocent victims that might call Chad father, grandpa, brother, uncle, son, friend. And when we try and hurt Chad by calling him names, mocking him, threatening him, or whatever the case may be, we are, by extension, doing those very same things to these other innocent victims we don't hear about and hurting or offending them.

And I'm not saying that we shouldn't expose corruption and crime wherein we find them, just that we perhaps ought to do so a little more carefully. That is, after all, part of what this website is about, right? Being professional and courteous towards all people, even if we disagree.

Just one man's humble opinion. FWIW.

ETA. Oh, and I believe for the most part everyone does treat each other with respect and this site has been very professional. But there is still room for improvement. Myself included.

So well put, thank you very much. All the comments about people’s hair, and weaves, and makeup, and looking like frogs really detracts from the useful stuff on here

 

[tresir2012]

So well put, thank you very much. All the comments about people’s hair, and weaves, and makeup, and looking like frogs really detracts from the useful stuff on here

We are allowed to post our opinions which are often detrimental to the POIs. We are here for the victims.

 

[tresir2012]

I don’t know but it sure is amusing the way that she doesn’t seem to realise that she has to go out the rear door with the corrections officer instead of with her attorney- she seems almost surprised

And she didn't know the bail amount before that? We all knew yesterday.

 

[mrjitty]

Why is it supposed by a number of people on here that LE did not verify the marriage vs supposing that they did? My family member that is in LE always reminds me of this mantra “it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove”.

Exactly

And let's keep procedure in mind. This is a probable cause affadavit supporting felony charge and arrest

The local Court is not going to litigate the substantive evidence at this stage.

Allegation: LV abandoned her dependent kids

Circumstantial evidence point: The kids are not in photos you might expect them to be in, providing more proof they were never in Hawaii.

No one is going to go behind that at this stage of proceedings.

 

[Kudzu]

I hope his wife visits him beyond the veil.

With a cast iron skillet!

 

[Alohaj]

Who were the foreign insurgents in the coup d'etat? (I have noticed the UK flag is on the Hawaiian flag.)

From what I have researched, British and Germans. And yes the Hawaiian flag was incorporated from the British flag, the British had a brief period of takeover of the islands years prior to the overthrow of the Hawaiian kingdom.

I am however not a Hawaiian history expert, just a Hawaii resident for the past 42 years that knows a little bit about its history.

 

[mrjitty]

Let’s give LE the benefit of the doubt and some credit that they are doing their job throughly, police in their written reports don’t write facts that they haven’t verified.

If there is one thing I have learned in a decade of following the Knox, Pistorius, Watts, McStay trials amongst others, it is usually futile to deep dive on stuff before the substantive evidence is produced at trial.

Like there has been so much discussion over the jeep shooting, then we find out LE claim very detailed knowledge of the vehicle involved. Will it stack up and what is it based on? That is what we have a trial for!

 

[tresir2012]

Alex really was somewhat reserved. Not gregarious but not an introvert either.

Glad you are now verified. Did you know anything about the trip Alex made to Yellowstone last September?

 

[tresir2012]

In reference to a number of posts and comments regarding the YouTuber who posts about things undone and incomplete with unnamed sources, and anything else out there, including what any of us (even I) might speculate. I'd like to just say one thing: Be careful what you believe.

Be wary of believing something you haven't or can't research on our own. If we are sleuths we can observe and make informed opinions. These may be wrong. I've been wrong here many times: I panicked when I saw a truck that looked like one registered to CV in footage of a double shooting in Arizona. The truck had nothing to do with the shooting. Just because something looks like it makes sense, doesn't mean it does. Another example: it very well may be that the dark grey 2018 Jeep Wrangler in AZ for BB shooting was the one from which the wheel and seat were removed and placed in the Idaho storage unit.

Okay, where am I going with this? Be careful if you can't find another source to verify. I need to do this as well. Speaking of the YouTube videos with unknown sources. There's one from Feb 7th. After the intro at about 1:40 the speaker says "Chad and Lori met September 23, 2018 through Jason Mow at the temple". I'm not going to go into anything else in the video because this is sufficient for me to establish credibility.

At which temple did they meet? Jason and Lori both lived in Arizona at the time. Mesa temple? Gilbert was opened 2014. It could be that one. OK. Fine. How about any number of temples between? Sure also possible. However, September 24, 2018 was Tylee's 16th birthday. I doubt Lori took a trip to be with Chad on such an occasion especially since we have no evidence of this. So Chad is visiting Arizona in September 2018? OK. But no. September 23, 2018 was a Sunday. The temples aren't open Sundays. OK. Maybe they met on temple grounds. Fine. That's acceptable. Easy-peasy. However, I happen know that September 23, 2018 was also a Sunday wherein Chad would have been in ward council (2nd and 4th Sundays of the month) in the early morning and then three hours of church (2-hour church wasn't announced until 2 weeks later and implemented the following January). The earliest he could have left for Arizona would be noon. Driving would not get him there until September 24th. Flying would have been unlikely as well because it would be more expensive from Idaho Falls if there was a flight or time consuming to drive 4+ hours to SLC and fly from there. Either way. Chad did not meet Lori Vallow at the temple on September 23, 2018.

It looks like the speaker of this story is misinformed in this first incident reported in the podcast. Assume she or her source tied the known connection Chad had with September 23 and postulated when it would have been ideal to have met.

If this didn't happen, what else in the story can be true? I don't know.

I've seen a photo of Chad at a book signing in Mesa, AZ on Jul 13, 2018 the same day as a poster for an event (see attached). I'm thinking it's more likely he met her then and there rather than the visionary-significant date of September 23, 2018.

I'm not saying I'm perfect or that you should believe everything I say. Please don't. Let's give opinions and hash things out. I want everything as tidy and explainable as the next sleuth, maybe even more-so than others: a friend of mine is dead! But we have to be careful.

I wonder if they met before 2015 and that was the real reason for the move to Idaho. I have even wondered if they knew each other from even further back?

 

[Snoods]

Thank you for your kind perspective. I feel it also important to choose our words wisely and honour each others thoughts.

If anyone doesn’t deserve kindness and courtesy it is these two narcissists. They have brought untold grief and emotional damage unto their relatives, the relatives of their respective dead spouses, and Tylee and JJ (if they are even still alive), all while thumbing their noses at LE.

Tammy is still warm in her grave while her hubsy wubsy and Lori are skipping to their loo alongside a Hawaiian beach, as Lori picks daffodils in her white wedding dress and sings sweetly as fledgling birds land on her shoulder.

Not your salt of the earth type people.

 

[AllGrace]

You have to be married ten years AND not get married before 60 to claim benefits I believe.

Actually, the choice she had was between hers and her latest spouses. I happen to Know this because my little company I own helps the elderly with things like this, among many other things.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Actually, the choice she had was between hers and her latest spouses. I happen to Know this because my little company I own helps the elderly with things like this, among many other things.

Yup. Me too, but since I was a housewife for years, my benefits were non existent. So she was entitled to the husbands’ ( any husband of ten years plus) survivor benefits provided she did not remarry before 60.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Possibly. Or possibly he'd see one little thing that didn't fit what he was told and he wouldn't stop asking questions and worrying Lori and Alex that he'd be the reason they got caught.

And Lori still might have thought that JJ was a bargaining chip with the Woodcocks--maybe she still thought she could get some money... but she gave up on that because she appears to have never been a good mom with and for JJ. imo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Or he is willfully ignorant of the truth. It is possible he just wants to believe the story she is telling and doesn't question it because that makes him a party to it and he is that desperate to be with her.

Tammy's death was premeditated for quite a long time....... To hide behind his "callings" and "visions"....what a crock. He is as much a criminal if not more. As said before.... I hope they have some hugh celebrations to honor Tammy in the future... What are his loyal kids going to think then???

 

[nhmemorymaker]

There is a horrible place you arrive at in this case when you realize both Lori and Chad are Stone Cold Evil. Then everything falls into place and all the events make sense. It's nauseating and horrible, but then everything comes together. MOO.

extraordinarily well said. I truly believe that Lori was born "a bad seed", and Chad hides behind all "those callings, visions" as his protective veil... And then to see it all just look like a simple stereotypical mid-life-crisis, and greed, greed, greed. Just sortof makes one feel sick.