Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

[BreeCherie]

Has this been posted? I am behind but here is a picture that shows Tylee and JJ playing outside on Sept 6th.
Lori Vallow's Neighbors Share Footage Of Missing Children

Woah, Lori called her own son her niece's drug baby??

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Woah, Lori called her own son her niece's drug baby??

He wasn't Lori's natural son, he was adopted by Lori. Still a sh** thing of her to say though.

 

[KonaHonu]

Interesting! Although it could be IP is still in ID and MB could be staying with her grandma/grandpa. MOO

What? You think she'd leave him just because he tattled on her? That would not be a loyal and submissive wife!

 

[BreeCherie]

He wasn't Lori's natural son, he was adopted by Lori. Still a sh** thing of her to say though.

Well I know that, but it isn't biologically her niece's son either. It's not only a terrible thing to say, but also bizarre.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Interesting! Although it could be IP is still in ID and MB could be staying with her grandma/grandpa. MOO

Or, IP and MB could be staying with IP's sister.

 

[NvrEndgStry]

Ha!!

What? You think she'd leave him just because he tattled on her? That would not be a loyal and submissive wife!

 

[indicolite22]

What? You think she'd leave him just because he tattled on her? That would not be a loyal and submissive wife!

Somehow I think Melani was only submissive to Lori.

 

[Christ is Truth]

i feel like this is going to drag out quite a bit, possibly the extradition hearing might give us more to work with but it may not be until she gets backs to Idaho that we'll know more

RSBM
These lawyers are thrilled that she wants to fight extradition. The longer it takes, the happier their pockets! I just do not understand what Lori is thinking. She’s wasting money on these lawyers for something that is inevitable...going back to Cali...I mean Idaho.

 

[indicolite22]

Interesting! Although it could be IP is still in ID and MB could be staying with her grandma/grandpa. MOO

I'm most surprised that they are still together, regardless of the location, if IP spoke to police about her.

 

[NvrEndgStry]

I'm most surprised that they are still together, regardless of the location, if IP spoke to police about her.

Truly hope AZ courts keep her away from their children after all these shenanigans. Maybe another arrest here will give more details on everything that’s happened.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Well I know that, but it isn't biologically her niece's son either. It's not only a terrible thing to say, but also bizarre.

I don't want to be the armchair specialist, but screw it.

Lori probably has some major personality disorder; I'd say BPD but that's a problematic and misogynistic diagnosis at the best of times, let alone at times of crisis. We do however know that Lori lies for no known benefit to herself or others (often only to her own harm), is prone to cults/cultish behavior, has problems with long term relationships, can't separate herself from men despite having an inability to commit to people or life goals in general, and demonstrably ignores the attachments and needs of her own children in front of her own conveniences and needs *with inconsistentcy.* So Lori's behavior and calling her own son (biological or not) a drug baby isn't that bizarre if you look at Lori's behavior patterns: to Lori, this is just how she is and how she behaves all the time, and has for a good long time. She's okay with lying and playing with people because her whole life, she's been pretty easily moving the world around herself. To her, why should anything else be different now?

 

[Colorado303]

All that was left of him were his flip-flops and his wallet.

Is there ANYTHING that wouldn’t dissolve in one of those things in a year. It would be wonderful if Tylee had a distinctive piece of jewelry or medical implant or something that might still be there. Or maybe nearby.

I just think there’s a chance she perished or was disposed of in an acid bath. But my hunch is she died in Yellowstone that day. And completely convinced that she died 9/8 or shortly thereafter. And death was not natural or accidental. She was murdered. And not in a fit of rage. This was pre-meditated, deliberate and cold-blooded.

Unfortunately the punishment I think LV deserves isn’t legal. In any state.


ETA: Though there’s that one loophole strip of the park where legal scholars contend you can’t be legally punished for anything done there........Wonder if it has bears and mountain lions. Lots of them. Angry, starving ones. All mamas, with cubs nearby.

 

[indicolite22]

I don't want to be the armchair specialist, but screw it.

Lori probably has some major personality disorder; I'd say BPD but that's a problematic and misogynistic diagnosis at the best of times, let alone at times of crisis. We do however know that Lori lies for no known benefit to herself or others (often only to her own harm), is prone to cults/cultish behavior, has problems with long term relationships, can't separate herself from men despite having an inability to commit to people or life goals in general, and demonstrably ignores the attachments and needs of her own children in front of her own conveniences and needs *with inconsistentcy.* So Lori's behavior and calling her own son (biological or not) a drug baby isn't that bizarre if you look at Lori's behavior patterns: to Lori, this is just how she is and how she behaves all the time, and has for a good long time. She's okay with lying and playing with people because her whole life, she's been pretty easily moving the world around herself. To her, why should anything else be different now?

She used "drug baby" as as defence after other parents confronted her about JJ's behavior and lack of adult supervision. She did not tell them about his autism.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Is there ANYTHING that wouldn’t dissolve in one of those things in a year. It would be wonderful if Tylee had a distinctive piece of jewelry or medical implant or something that might still be there. Or maybe nearby.

I just think there’s a chance she perished or was disposed of in an acid bath. But my hunch is she died in Yellowstone that day. And completely convinced that she died 9/8 or shortly thereafter. And death was not natural or accidental. She was murdered. And not in a fit of rage. This was pre-meditated, deliberate and cold-blooded.

Unfortunately the punishment I think LV deserves isn’t legal. In any state.


ETA: Though there’s that one loophole strip of the park where legal scholars contend you can’t be legally punished for anything done there........Wonder if it has bears and mountain lions. Lots of them. Angry, starving ones. All mamas, with cubs nearby.

The fabled "Death Zone" in Yellowstone is not a loophole or a thing in real life, it is just a funny theory argument made by one dude who proposed a legal snafu that MIGHT exist is a vacuum in that one place, due to weirdly written residency laws. That's not the same as legal fact or how the law works in practice.

People really need to stop treating the "Death Zone" like it's an actual thing, it's not...

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

She used "drug baby" as as defence after other parents confronted her about JJ's behavior and lack of adult supervision. She did not tell them about his autism.

Interesting, are you able to link? TIA.

 

[KonaHonu]

Based on the comment that Gardener1850 brought over, this part, “i cant begin to say how happy i am that he (also a dad) has turned out to be good people in spite of being caught up in this creepy cult. am so glad he realized from the start that all this means his own children are in as much danger as the two who have gone missing, and immediately went to the police PLUS gave up visitations. i hope his exwife has taken their children into hiding currently, just as BB did. i also hope the police are keeping a watchful eye on #2hub because now that he's told what he knows i expect he too has a giant target on his back.”

Not sure what to think because IP has a tainted history, see court case for domestic violence regarding now ex-wife. MOO

I hope the governor of Idaho understands the potential extent of people at risk and has made the entire state police available to protect people. If this is a cult in meltdown it could get bad.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

I don’t think you got anything wrong and any randomly chosen two of your points would be tragically convincing.

Add to that the stories LV and Alex told about CV’s death are certainly false. So many contradictions no way both of them could be telling the truth. Add to that their bizarre demeanor and Alex’s band-aid sized boo boo. Tylee was a witness and thus a liability. No hiding place on the planet would change that. Tylee had to go. JJ may have witnessed something too, or may have been too vocal about Tylee’s disappearance. So he had to go too.

Or maybe he was just a hassle. Once you kill one husband/kid, might as well kill another.

I’ll admit I have a ray of hope the children are still alive. But there’s not one sliver of evidence that supports that hope. Not one. And all of us wishing as hard as we can won’t make it so.

MOO

I want to disagree on an emotional level but logically, I can’t discount the circumstantial evidence.

What is the significance of the woman visiting Lori on October 29, as shown on the doorbell camera? How many other people were caught at different times on that camera? Was Chad one of them? That was not the only entrance to Lori's home, right? Wasn't her garage attached to the home? What about Alex's?

My thoughts, LE has more information that they have not yet shared. MOO

 

[Whaddayano]

The fabled "Death Zone" in Yellowstone is not a loophole or a thing in real life, it is just a funny theory argument made by one dude who proposed a legal snafu that MIGHT exist is a vacuum in that one place, due to weirdly written residency laws. That's not the same as legal fact or how the law works in practice.

People really need to stop treating the "Death Zone" like it's an actual thing, it's not...

although, given LVD's bizarre beliefs & attitudes, could be why that particular park was chosen. *i am a god* *i can do anything* OH LOOKIE HERE, MAGIC DEATH ZONE

 

[KonaHonu]

The fabled "Death Zone" in Yellowstone is not a loophole or a thing in real life, it is just a funny theory argument made by one dude who proposed a legal snafu that MIGHT exist is a vacuum in that one place, due to weirdly written residency laws. That's not the same as legal fact or how the law works in practice.

People really need to stop treating the "Death Zone" like it's an actual thing, it's not...

I agree, especially since it claims to apply to federal laws but murder would be at the state level.

But poorly written laws is a real thing. Many of Hawaii's laws are very poorly written and it leads to people getting of all the time! If you follow petty crime in Hawaii, which is pretty boring, you will find that almost all convictions are for apparently silly offenses which happen to be well written. Those relate to unauthorized control of a propelled vehicle and unauthorized entry into a vehicle. Basically, don't mess with cars or people in cars.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

although, given LVD's bizarre beliefs & attitudes, could be why that particular park was chosen. *i am a god* *i can do anything* OH LOOKIE HERE, MAGIC DEATH ZONE

So far her MO has been to avoid the law, not dance around it or try to outsmart it with weird technicalities.