Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

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  • #821
She hasn't admitted to killing the kids but she did say Tylee was dead years ago. She also previously told Charles she didn't want JJ anymore. In the words of KW, Lori said she was "Done" dealing with JJ, "I'm done." She proceeded to remove JJ's medication, his clothing, his beloved service dog, his i-pad with his educational software, didn't tell JJ his father died, took him to a new school in a new state without bothering to follow the proper procedures to unenroll him from his private school in AZ, nor did she bother to get his records transferred to the new school. Tylee was so concerned about protecting JJ that Tylee chose to move with them even though Tylee didn't want to move to ID and had originally planned to stay in AZ and live with her friend. By the time Lori enrolled JJ in school in Rexburg she had stopped fixing his hair the way she had always done before Charles died-- his school picture showed his hair longer than normal and matted down according to KW. No, Lori may not have told anyone we know of that JJ is dead. I'll grant you that. But neither has she been acting as if JJ is a beloved child of hers that she would protect at all costs (from who?) and hide him away to the point where she herself is willing to sit in jail and still remain silent about JJ's whereabouts.

MOO.
Yes, thank you. I understand that. And I agree that all evidence seems to point to the children being dead at this point.

However, the grandparents KW and LW still hold out hope for the kids to be found alive. And as unreasonable as it may be, and until LE make it clear otherwise, I do as well.
 
  • #822
I agree he has delusions of grandeur. IMO he’s also more than a little nuts, ridiculously impressionable, easily manipulated and his moral compass has gone kaplooey .

And she’s pure evil.

Yes, Chad wrote, said and believes really wacky stuff. But he was married to one woman for 30 years, established in his community, with no trail of dead bodies in his wake (until Tammy). And all his kids are accounted for.

Compared to Lori, who’d been married 4 times before Chad, had two soon to be ex-husbands suspiciously die, remarkably timed when she would still inherit their assets and collect life insurance (or so she thought). One husband documented she she wanted to kill him, she admitted she’d lie that the other was abusive just to win custody. Has a history of bouncing around like a geographic pinball between hither and yon. Then disappeared for months causing her son’s school to contact CPS. Came back in time to raid hubby’s business account before watching him being shot by her brother, then giggled with police and threw a pool party hours later. Texted her stepsons their Dad had died, lied about the cause of death and went ballistic 4 days later after learning she wasn’t getting his life insurance. A couple months later two of her three kids vanished from the face of the earth. What did I miss?

I imagine a deluded person who believes his own wacky stuff would be an easy mark mid-life for a manipulative, beautiful blonde that seemingly fawns on his every word. Eagerly swallowing whatever combination of fabricated “visions” and improbable lies she feeds him.

On some level the truth must be dawning on Chad. But the implications of admitting he’s been duped, even to himself, must be paralyzing. Rationalization might be his psyche’s only defense.

Yes, it’s hard to imagine he would want to believe her despite all evidence. But that believe would be the only thing keeping him from seeing the shambles he’s made of his entire life.

It sounds impossible. But lots of us are holding out hope the kids will be found safe despite only evidence to contrary. And our stakes aren’t nearly as high.

No doubt Chad has a lot to answer for, and I trust he’ll pay in all sorts of ways. At very least he aided/abetted after the fact, lied to LE and ignored all reason. Quite possibly he murdered his wife. Either way, he should pay dearly! But IMO there’s a reasonable chance he got into this mess because he’s the biggest buffoon on the planet.

I kinda feel like Chad was a bomb just waiting to go off. I think he was a control freak based on some of his visions and writings regarding Tammy. He had that vision they should move to Rexburg, but he had to convince Tammy. Then there was another instance where Tammy was playing a game called Frontierville and Chad forced her to quit playing to game, because if IRC he wanted Tammy to resume genealogy. His attitude about her diversion game, really bothered me.

I joke that Chad had no real sex life. (Well, he had sex 5 times).

However, something wasn't right with him. We have seen this kind of behavior in other husbands.
 
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I never meant to imply I have any sympathy for him. Not one iota. But I think Lori should be burned at the stake.
I understand. I just don't find him any better than her in this case.
 
  • #824
I remember a family source claiming on GH's channel that Lori took that money. Not sure how it would have been possible.
And I really thought I had read somewhere that LR was the only name recorded for JR beneficiary (not even Tylee??) so I am confused.. Seems to me that JR might have just been a loner of a guy at the time.......no one found him for 5 days!!! imo
 
  • #825
I kinda feel like Chad was a bomb just waiting to go off. I think he was a control freak based on some of his visions and writings regarding Tammy. He had that vision they should move to Rexburg, but he had to convince Tammy. Then there was another instance where Tammy was playing a game called Frontierville and Chad forced her to quit playing to game.

I joke that Chad had no real sex life. (Well, he had sex 5 times).

However, something wasn't right with him. We have seen this kind of behavior in other husbands.
Yes we have seen this in other husbands...usually goes by the phrase "mid life crisis". ha ha...
 
  • #826
Yes... I have always thought there is more behind the scenes with CR.... but now that people think he is cooperating...maybe he's OK. I am not convinced, yet.
I think it was said quite early on that he was cooperating. People just didn't believe it. Many probably still don't. IMO he's OK.
 
  • #827
I still have zero sympathy for Chad. We are responsible for our own actions. Adults know right from wrong and murder is wrong. It doesn't matter if it was his idea or not, he embraced it. Unlike most of us, he is able to live with it. (IMO) Agree, plus the fact that he willing to ditch his life of 30 years, most likely by murdering his wife, is to me more telling and more abhorrent. He has no substance, no soul. That takes quite a strong influence if the other participant is not already of the like mind which I believe he is.
 
  • #828
This has probably been posted but as this is huge I am replying and posting it again. MBP confessed to her new hubby that she conspired with AC to kill Brandon. Has she been arrested yet? So this will have to be another extradition as she is in Idaho and the offence was in Arizona. I know this is not unexpected but it is still mind blowing. And it was for his life insurance again too. It is looking like a cult conspiracy to commit murder now isn't it?


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BREAKING: New documents filed in AZ about the attempted murder of Brandon Boudreaux. Brandon + his attorney say Alex Cox was the shooter and that his ex-wife Melani has confessed (to her new husband) that she set up the attempt on his life. Courtesy:
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Justin Lum posted on his facebook that MBP and husband are living in AZ now. It's in the comments.

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  • #829
I have wondered why Colby was exempt from this madness. Lori seemed to send him money when he needed it. He had a decent relationship with Charles. They didn’t seem estranged in the usual sense. Just growing apart as he got older. He lived close enough that Lori stopped by to say goodbye. Maybe he was considered to be one of the 144k to be informed later. I think there is more that we don’t know.

Speaking of which now we can guess why the money was sent from Tylee's account... It already had her funding source entered and being that LV's card was declined for the storage payment she probably had no money after Charles died since it was all left to his sister.

I think Colby loved his mom but the attachment was the relationship with Charles, Tylee & JJ and Lori knew it which was why they were not particularly close.
 
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And I really thought I had read somewhere that LR was the only name recorded for JR beneficiary (not even Tylee??) so I am confused.. Seems to me that JR might have just been a loner of a guy at the time.......no one found him for 5 days!!! imo

Assuming he had a will, there is no way he would leave it to Lori. Assuming he did not, his ex-wife is so low in the line of beneficiaries that I don't see how its possible she received anything. Tylee would be the first beneficiary and assuming she is his only child then entitled to it all.
 
  • #832
I was wondering a few days ago at LV’s hearing when the prosecutor said they needed to wait for her fingerprints from Idaho, first why was she finger printed in Idaho and second is this normal procedure? And third, do they have reason to believe she may not be the real LV or is this normal procedure? I asked the second question a few days ago and nobody seemed to know. Sounds far fetched but so is this whole case.

As I understand it, the main reason they need her fingerprints is because Lori is contesting extradition to Idaho. If Lori had not contested then they would have proceeded to extradite her right away and she would be sent to Idaho as soon as ID LEOs were able to pick her up. She can't argue against the charges leveled at her from Fremont Co, ID in the Hawaii courts. Hawaii's role is to arrest her on the ID warrant and send her to ID. She can only contest her identity and say "that's not me on the arrest warrant, you have the wrong person", and/or claim it was not a legal arrest. Now that she is contesting extradition, the HI prosecutor will go about proving they have arrested the correct person. That's why he requested time to get her fingerprints and bring in witnesses who can identify Lori. ID may have Lori's fingerprints if she did a background check to rent the Pioneer Rd apt: Idaho Background Checks | DMV.com
MOO.
 
  • #833
I don't think there is 144,000, or that they knew they were 144,000 before Lori approached them. Sounds like Lori was contacting people telling them they are selected to survive the end of the world. But I doubt she contacted that many.

I was not aware she was contacting people. Is there an article about this somewhere?
 
  • #834
Assuming he had a will, there is no way he would leave it to Lori. Assuming he did not, his ex-wife is so low in the line of beneficiaries that I don't see how its possible she received anything. Tylee would be the first beneficiary and assuming she is his only child then entitled to it all.

Yes and No. Beneficiaries on accounts such as retirement and other investment accounts go to the beneficiary listed, pending he never updated them I could see LV still being beneficiary. Now things like checking accounts in single name, property (personal and land) would flow through the will if there was no will yes Tylee would be first in line.
 
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Assuming he had a will, there is no way he would leave it to Lori. Assuming he did not, his ex-wife is so low in the line of beneficiaries that I don't see how its possible she received anything. Tylee would be the first beneficiary and assuming she is his only child then entitled to it all.
Assuming he had a will, there is no way he would leave it to Lori. Assuming he did not, his ex-wife is so low in the line of beneficiaries that I don't see how its possible she received anything. Tylee would be the first beneficiary and assuming she is his only child then entitled to it all.

I believe this is the reason she refuses to admit the children are deceased, because she is receiving $$ from life insurance and/or SS benefits...
 
  • #837
IMO most likely defense:

1). Alex took the children someplace safe but she didn’t want to know where because that would put them in some kind of danger. Then Alex died and she doesn’t know where he took them.

2). She thought Alex took them someplace safe and he was watching out for them. Then he died and she learned they weren’t “there” after all. Now she’s afraid Alex snapped and killed them because he was crazy and thought they were Zombies. Then must killed himself out of remorse.

However she spins it, it will all be Alex’s fault and she thought the kids were fine.

Alex The Blame Sponge’s death was awfully convenient for her, wasn’t it? Especially happening so shortly after somebody noticed the kids were gone. Will anyone be surprised if he happened to procure a life insurance policy before dying (w/ LV or her new BFF Z as beneficiary)? I won’t.

I think Chad’s darn lucky that thing got locked up before engineering his tragic demise (and collecting his life insurance and whatever’s left of Tammy’s $430K).

Who else thinks LV’s nothing but a murderous greedy grifter masquerading as a prophet and savior. And deluded, lust-struck Chad her latest mark.
The problem with any "blame Alex" defense is that to make that assertion Lori would have to take the stand, and I don't think she would do well on cross examination.
 
  • #838
Melani moved to Rexburg, to the same complex that Lori and Alex lived in. She obviously would have noticed that kids disappeared. So it's probably common sense that she has to know something.
Yes, but since she was not there in September, she could have been told that the kids were safe with someone and think nothing of it. She didn't have to know what happened to them.
 
  • #839
DBM
 
  • #840
I know others have answered that Lori is fair game. I’m just chiming in to say that if you have info on her that can be linked- news, court case, court records, police blotter, etc, please share. Many of us have spent lots of time trying to find the details on this case that further keeps it in the media in hopes of finding these kids and holding those responsible accountable. Please share if you have info.

I can likely imagine if you accidentally posted something not allowed someone here would notify you in time for you to edit your post and delete a non-allowed comment.

I think if it's public record on a court site, it can be linked here.
 
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