Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

[Christ is Truth]

Okay, I will be honest. I've never been to Yellowstone or live anywhere near it. I thought you were making up tall tales. Turns out not. Just read an article about people literally being dissolved in the geothermal springs at Yellowstone. YIKES!!! I will have nightmares tonight.

I too have never been to Yellowstone, but saw posts last night about the springs where others have brought up the idea of what might have happened to Tylee. Talking about her "last pic" got me thinking today, putting it all together. Why would Lori take one final pic of her daughter...unless to set her up for an "accident." We know from the storage unit that memorabilia isn't important to her. Yes, nightmares indeed. Horrific.

 

[kye0001]

Isn't it awful that we even have these thoughts as possibilities? Not that it makes it any better, but I don't think Tylee would have been pushed into a hot spring. Its would be very unpredictable and possibly incredibly noisy. If she were killed and left at Yellowstone (which I'm not convinced of, because as others have said, there are much better remote and random places to leave a body), I think Alex would have shot her first, and then possibly disposed of her in a hot spring. I think disposal, but not death, would have been the usage.

Blurgh. I can't believe I've thought/written and of that.

If he shot her first would the bullet dissolve? JMO

 

[mrjitty]

It's unlikely to me that the kids are in hiding since they have a mother who has made ZERO attempt to fund them, or contact them. A teen with a license and who knows social media as well as Tylee isn't going to stop talking to everyone she knows, or stop fighting for her freedom. You'd have to lock that stubborn spirited girl down in chains to keep her from leaving or making contact with someone.

It's much more likely to me that the kids are gone. Chad and Lori are behaving and acting to others like they have no intentions of having minor aged kids in their life now or later. Chad lied to his own parents and to Tammy's sister about Lori having no kids that aren't already adults. If the kids someday showed back up that would be awkward to explain. I would imagine they plan on the kids not being part of their lives anymore at all because everything indicates that and nothing indicates they have plans to include kids ever again. I think the kids are gone And I think we may or may not find remains... I hate to have to say that. As a mother myself, it makes me sick... but that's what I believe at this point.

I agree

As I keep saying, there is not one single piece of evidence that the kids are in hiding. Personally I think LV has to claim this, before we entertain it.

 

[LHS]

Do you mind me asking why "out of debt?"

Like one view with climate (or other) disasters inbound, would be to have as much debt as possible

We tend to believe that we should be honest in all our dealings with our fellow man - including paying debts we incur, but debt is looked at as a sort of bondage or slavery, because if you logically think about it - it is. When you don't have debts you have an easier time living within your means and saving for a rainy day, and then you are less of a burden on others if you ever fall on hard times. Self-reliance is a principle that is heavily emphasized... aka personal financial responsibility.

ETA - we don't believe that the end of everything is what the "end times" or "last days" are about. We believe it's just the end of this version of the world, and something better is coming. But that just gives us more incentive to live honest lives.

 

[mommacass]

I’m new here, not sure what I’m doing . My opinion is that the vile way Lori has lived and behaved is because she is mean-spirited and selfish MORE than she is moved by crazy cults. Her motives are due to extreme greed. After she discovered KVW was beneficiary, she plotted revenge. She’s been nicknamed a “black widow” for a reason. Thank you for this wonderful web site.

 

[BigAl16]

Do you mind me asking why "out of debt?"

Like one view with climate (or other) disasters inbound, would be to have as much debt as possible

You're trying to prepare for the unexpected. Unemployment that you didn't see coming is one of the most commong "unexpected" things people have happen, whether due to your employer suddenly closing the doors, reorganizing you out the door, or whatever. Minimal debt and a decent amount in savings makes dealing with that kind of thing much easier and disruptive to you and your family. Some things (house payment, for one, if you own a house) you can't prevent having debt, but even there if your savings is adequate enough to make the house payment for 3 or 6 or more months, you're in a much better position if things turn south.

None of which should imply I do or have done any of this, only that I understand why it makes sense.

MOO

 

[BigAl16]

I’m new here, not sure what I’m doing . My opinion is that the vile way Lori has lived and behaved is because she is mean-spirited and selfish MORE than she is moved by crazy cults. Her motives are due to extreme greed. After she discovered KVW was beneficiary, she plotted revenge. She’s been nicknamed a “black widow” for a reason. Thank you for this wonderful web site.

Love your music, Momma.

 

[divineappt]

Do any of us think Chad was next? To die that is

If he becomes a hindrance and not an asset, absolutely!

 

[BigAl16]

But if you actually wanted to hide a body, that seems like a perfect place, doesn't it? Body literally dissolves, so there is no evidence left.

Absolutely. Which is why that being the last place Tylee is known to have been is disconcerting.

 

[Christ is Truth]

Isn't it awful that we even have these thoughts as possibilities? Not that it makes it any better, but I don't think Tylee would have been pushed into a hot spring. Its would be very unpredictable and possibly incredibly noisy. If she were killed and left at Yellowstone (which I'm not convinced of, because as others have said, there are much better remote and random places to leave a body), I think Alex would have shot her first, and then possibly disposed of her in a hot spring. I think disposal, but not death, would have been the usage.

Blurgh. I can't believe I've thought/written and of that.

It is sad that we are discussing this at all, but I agree with your idea. It would have to had to have been done with JJ in the car, oblivious to anything going on.

I'm wondering if LE was able to get video footage from gas stations on the way back to Rexburg to see if Tylee was with them then. I have to check the maps to see the distance from Yellowstone to Rexburg and whether they could make the trip and back on one tank of gas.

 

[utahobserver]

I have been lurking and trying to catch up for weeks, literally. But I finally have so I have another thought to add, just some cultural insight.

LDS people do believe in preparedness, and we are taught it's a good thing. We are advised to prepare financially to be out of debt and have some back up savings in case of long term illness or accident, or loss of employment. We are taught to have 72 kits or bug out bags and emergency plans in case of house fire, or natural disaster and so on. We are taught to have food storage in case of shortages, employment gaps, or even possible quarantine situations... Just general concepts of being prepared because it promotes faith instead of fear - and financially it's just wise.

Prepping is taking this to more of a hobby level and sometimes to extreme levels. My own father went through a prepper stage where he built a brick oven in the yard for outdoor cooking in case they needed it. They dug a well so they have water supply not connected to the city if they need it. They have a solar generator and battery storage unit in a faraday cage as well as about 2+ years food storage for them and many others. This is beyond what is currently counseled by the church. They have done so because they can and because they want to, but that level is not part of any of our specific beliefs.

My reason for being interested in this case is that I'm not close enough to be a VI sort of person, but I'm one step away in many directions. I'm part of many groups of people who study the end times prophecies, and have heard a lot of these various ideas. I have rejected the ones that are not doctrinal and more extreme... but I have been invited to events by that company we don't name, and I have been invited to join AVOW by various people. I have an uncle who goes to AVOW to talk with his ham radio buddies. (another prepping concept) I know two authors that published through Chad personally, and one of them is a VERY close friend an she was the one who told me about this case. We talk at least weekly. Facebook seems to think that Jason Mow should be my friend as he's at the top of all the suggestions they give because of so many mutual friends.

Because of that.. here's what I'm seeing - There are many who study and are interested in the end times type things in the LDS church. There are three types. The first type sticks only to scriptures and prophetic sayings. The second type looks beyond that and includes personal revelation, discussion with others about non doctrinal speculation... and the third type is so HUNGRY for this kind of stuff not coming directly from the church leadership and the pulpit that they cling to anyone claiming to have more info, people like JR the author and Chad and so on... Lori fits this third type to a T but add in some serious psychosis and fanaticism. It's that third group that are the ones who go off the rails and go looking for anything to satisfy curiosity and impatience in this regard. I recently explained to someone else that though the LDS church says "latter-day" referring to last days type of things, they were named this back in 1830... it's been almost 2 centuries of "last days". This third kind of person is not always involved with AVOW and with that group we don't name or even with cultish behavior - BUT a subset of that sort is! I've suddenly become aware of how many on my friends lists on social media are in that kind of mindset. It's made me a little sick to see how close it is to me all over the place.

The trend I've seen is that third group, especially when radicalized like Lori and Chad seem to be - tend to go pretty drastic and do really strange things believing angels and God are instructing them to do so. I learned yesterday there is a girl I grew up with who is also part of Chad's group, was told by this group that she is one of the 144k and so she divorced her husband and moved to Missouri and is in "waiting" to be called upon. This kind of behavior in the third type I named has been spoken against by church leadership over and over and over again as recently as last October's conference for the worldwide church.

Not sure if all this rambling helps anything... just some insight I guess. (I'm sorry I'm long winded)

This is so enlightening. Thank you so much for taking the time write this out. The phrase - radicalized - is an important one. Understanding mindset leads to understanding motivation even if it is irrational. I feel the core of the Chad group is small enough for LE to connect the red threads and I think that is what we are seeing more of at this point. Even MSM is getting better at naming who is who. We just need to find the kids.

 

[divineappt]

I am guessing Lori fell in love with Chad after she started reading his end of the world books, became obsessed with these books, and then met the author in person.

I wouldn’t doubt they met otherwise than in person first as some authors and groupies do.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

It is sad that we are discussing this at all, but I agree with your idea. It would have to had to have been done with JJ in the car, oblivious to anything going on.

I'm wondering if LE was able to get video footage from gas stations on the way back to Rexburg to see if Tylee was with them then. I have to check the maps to see the distance from Yellowstone to Rexburg and whether they could make the trip and back on one tank of gas.

Rexburg to Yellowstone is 83 miles, both ways: 166 miles. Half a tank easily, plus driving around the park to wherever. There's a highway cam on US 20 if they went that way.

 

[Christ is Truth]

I’m new here, not sure what I’m doing . My opinion is that the vile way Lori has lived and behaved is because she is mean-spirited and selfish MORE than she is moved by crazy cults. Her motives are due to extreme greed. After she discovered KVW was beneficiary, she plotted revenge. She’s been nicknamed a “black widow” for a reason. Thank you for this wonderful web site.

Welcome to the site! I have to warn you though, it is addictive!

 

[divineappt]

You're trying to prepare for the unexpected. Unemployment that you didn't see coming is one of the most commong "unexpected" things people have happen, whether due to your employer suddenly closing the doors, reorganizing you out the door, or whatever. Minimal debt and a decent amount in savings makes dealing with that kind of thing much easier and disruptive to you and your family. Some things (house payment, for one, if you own a house) you can't prevent having debt, but even there if your savings is adequate enough to make the house payment for 3 or 6 or more months, you're in a much better position if things turn south.

None of which should imply I do or have done any of this, only that I understand why it makes sense.

MOO

I would see it as becoming available to help others and not a burden to others. I believe that is scripturally based in most “religions”.

 

[carbuff]

Isn't it awful that we even have these thoughts as possibilities? Not that it makes it any better, but I don't think Tylee would have been pushed into a hot spring. Its would be very unpredictable and possibly incredibly noisy. If she were killed and left at Yellowstone (which I'm not convinced of, because as others have said, there are much better remote and random places to leave a body), I think Alex would have shot her first, and then possibly disposed of her in a hot spring. I think disposal, but not death, would have been the usage.

Blurgh. I can't believe I've thought/written and of that.

Shooting first is quite likely. Although there's nothing problematic about a hot pool at 100C or hotter. One brief scream and it's over.

 

[Christ is Truth]

Rexburg to Yellowstone is 83 miles, both ways: 166 miles. Half a tank easily, plus driving around the park to wherever. There's a highway cam on US 20 if they went that way.

Thank you for the info! I doubt the highway cam would have gotten a look inside, especially if they have tinted windows.

 

[BigAl16]

It is sad that we are discussing this at all, but I agree with your idea. It would have to had to have been done with JJ in the car, oblivious to anything going on.

I'm wondering if LE was able to get video footage from gas stations on the way back to Rexburg to see if Tylee was with them then. I have to check the maps to see the distance from Yellowstone to Rexburg and whether they could make the trip and back on one tank of gas.

90-ish miles from Rexburg to the entrance into Yellowstone in West Yellowstone. Then probably 30-60 miles from there to the places that come to mind where they might have hot pools to use (thinking Norris Basin and the area to the north of Old Faithful, but others may know of closer places). I'm not sure what vehicle they had or what kind of mileage it would get on a tank of gas, but they might also have had a partial tank and filled up on the way to Yellowstone, which would almost surely give them enough gas to go the rest of the trip if they couldn't squeak the whole trip out on a single tank.

 

[Hippononymous]

I think the hot spring theory is a little far-fetched, MOO. I've been to Yellowstone a few times and while I agree that ending up in a hot spring there is far easier than one might think, I wasn't at any hot springs that weren't populated with a lot of tourists around! It just seems like a really risky way to get rid of someone without being seen. I suppose maybe they knew of some off the beaten path hot springs, though....MOO

 

[MorkyLovesMint]

Someone inquired earlier about what has drawn people to this case. This is my first post to the forum, although I have been lurking (okay, let's be honest, obsessing) for the past few weeks. Following these threads has been a fascinating and sometimes heartbreaking exercise, and I have learned so much from all of you.

I have an LDS background, and am familiar with many of the geographical locations associated with this case. My biggest draw to the story is the fact that I witnessed a very close family member become quickly and heavily involved in the extreme "prepper" movement -- believing in visions and end of times prophecies, tens of thousands of dollars spent on supplies, a detailed plan to head to the hills when the "calling out" occurred. These actions caused great concern to nearly everyone around them. Efforts to reason with this person generally failed. It was scary. Gratefully, over time, and after certain prophecies didn't come to fulfillment (JR the author's earthquake prediction, for example), the level of intensity/involvement for my family member lessened. They have not been closely associated with Chad & Lori's subgroup, and claim to have pulled back from being as active in AVOW and the other group for the past two years. But at the height of their involvement, it was alarming and frankly very frightening to see how quickly they became immersed in that radical mindset.

Because of that experience and what I observed, I initially held out hope that Tylee and JJ had been hidden with like-minded folks. As time has gone on, watching everything that has unfolded and with no sign of the kids, that hope has diminished. I broke down and cried yesterday after seeing Lori in court. It's finally sinking into my heart that the children are probably gone.
(my opinion only)

Thank you to those in this forum who have provided such valuable information, particularly the verified insiders. Also, huge shout-out to @Gardener1850 for the incredible job on the timeline.