Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #19

[squareandrabbet]

It's interesting that Melani tried to get her own children from Brandon's parents, went there and her uncle Alex drove her there. She claimed to have a court order allowing her to take the children. I wonder what her plans were for her own children, and is there any way to make her tell what she knows about JJ and Taylee.

It's unlikely to me that the kids are in hiding since they have a mother who has made ZERO attempt to fund them, or contact them. A teen with a license and who knows social media as well as Tylee isn't going to stop talking to everyone she knows, or stop fighting for her freedom. You'd have to lock that stubborn spirited girl down in chains to keep her from leaving or making contact with someone.

It's much more likely to me that the kids are gone. Chad and Lori are behaving and acting to others like they have no intentions of having minor aged kids in their life now or later. Chad lied to his own parents and to Tammy's sister about Lori having no kids that aren't already adults. If the kids someday showed back up that would be awkward to explain. I would imagine they plan on the kids not being part of their lives anymore at all because everything indicates that and nothing indicates they have plans to include kids ever again. I think the kids are gone And I think we may or may not find remains... I hate to have to say that. As a mother myself, it makes me sick... but that's what I believe at this point.

Plus, let's keep in mind, so far we've seen zero inclination that this cultic offshoot prizes children, outside of Chad who has already good as said his children will be in the 144,000. Some cults do, and you know they're worried about the second generation. Some near-idolize the second generation.

Thanks! I’ve been trying to dig around and see exactly why I remembered MB cooperating- but it also occurred to me that it could have been suggested outside of this site, too.

I think "cooperating" is a bit of a stretch, but she has been interviewed by the police, per the affidavit (par. 17) and had her home searched (same source). So they did "catch" her once. The detective didn't mention her lying and saying she didn't know any such people, for example; a low bar I know, but someone with the initials "CD", recently has not cleared that bar.

MOO. I think the head of the law firm who might have been a prosecutor for Kauai who might have been hired by LV /CD threw that lawyer under the bus by putting him in that room completely unprepared at the last minute, realizing he didn't want his good name associated with this heap of ___.

Dung?

OK, now it gets confusing...??

I can't keep track of how many biological or adoptive or other grandparents JJ and Tylee had but I can't get past the fact that, outside of the Woodcocks, NOT ONE grandparent has publicly said it is strange to have no contact with their grand kids for months, and over Christmas and Thanksgiving and Tylee's birthday. What. The. H!

Well, Tylee's aunt Annie is a Ryan (father's side of the family), and she is involving herself as much as possible, so there's that.

One pair of JJ's adopted and Tylee's natural grandparents are the extremist Coxes, so it makes sense they're not saying anything either. . Other than that, I don't know.

 

[LHS]

New member here. This story is fascinating and horrible at the same time. In the beginning I believed CD was as responsible as LVD. The more I see him in some of the posted videos, the more I believe she is the only one responsible, including his wife’s demise. I think he has been scammed beyond belief by her.

Welcome aboard! We were all new sometime.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

I grew up among many LDS and dated several. When my children were very young, I had a wonderful LDS neighbor watch them. I actually find their family nights and many of their believings (mainstream of course) to be admirable. And let's not mix up this Lori clan with regular LDS I realize.

I agree, people need to be sure to remember what Lori does has NOTHING to do with being a practicing Mormon

 

[KonaHonu]

There is just as much evidence they were abducted.

By aliens!

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Mods not sure if this allowed so please delete if not, but I thought it was interesting to find the dates a descriptions of the podcasts and how the align with some of the timeline events. For example sep 7.

Finally made it to Thread #19...wanted to read all the posts. Anyway, these image attachments are interesting. Thanks for sharing!

 

[LeBlack]

She hasn't admitted to killing the kids but she did say Tylee was dead years ago. She also previously told Charles she didn't want JJ anymore. In the words of KW, Lori said she was "Done" dealing with JJ, "I'm done." She proceeded to remove JJ's medication, his clothing, his beloved service dog, his i-pad with his educational software, didn't tell JJ his father died, took him to a new school in a new state without bothering to follow the proper procedures to unenroll him from his private school in AZ, nor did she bother to get his records transferred to the new school. Tylee was so concerned about protecting JJ that Tylee chose to move with them even though Tylee didn't want to move to ID and had originally planned to stay in AZ and live with her friend. By the time Lori enrolled JJ in school in Rexburg she had stopped fixing his hair the way she had always done before Charles died-- his school picture showed his hair longer than normal and matted down according to KW. No, Lori may not have told anyone we know of that JJ is dead. I'll grant you that. But neither has she been acting as if JJ is a beloved child of hers that she would protect at all costs (from who?) and hide him away to the point where she herself is willing to sit in jail and still remain silent about JJ's whereabouts.

MOO.

The idea that she would run or hide JJ to keep someone else (ie grandparents) from taking him away is a ridiculous excuse. She adopted him and unless there was abuse that could be proven, they would not taken him away. IMO, this was to extort the death benefit from the grandparents. Also, MOO it's neglectful to take away JJ's service dog and move him all over God's green earth, uprooting him from homes, schools and all that is familiar!

 

[Iliveonaboat]

I think he knew but

Welcome! I hope you like it here!

What gives me pause about only Lori being responsible is that he has a history of being highly manipulative in the past, using his false visions to move the entire family, have his wife stop playing mobile games, etc. This is presumably all before he met Lori. He knew her when Charles died, when her children went missing (including being part of moving their items in-and-out of storage and telling people her children had been deceased when he knew they weren't - at least not yet), stood by when Alex died. Not to mention, if Tammy did in fact die by just going to bed normally and then dying during the middle of the night, that would be extremely difficult for Lori to pull off without Chad. All MOO!

I think he knew but only after it was too late, he is also of questionable ethics and just plowed forward with the plan.

 

[Redvines86]

She hasn't admitted to killing the kids but she did say Tylee was dead years ago. She also previously told Charles she didn't want JJ anymore. In the words of KW, Lori said she was "Done" dealing with JJ, "I'm done." She proceeded to remove JJ's medication, his clothing, his beloved service dog, his i-pad with his educational software, didn't tell JJ his father died, took him to a new school in a new state without bothering to follow the proper procedures to unenroll him from his private school in AZ, nor did she bother to get his records transferred to the new school. Tylee was so concerned about protecting JJ that Tylee chose to move with them even though Tylee didn't want to move to ID and had originally planned to stay in AZ and live with her friend. By the time Lori enrolled JJ in school in Rexburg she had stopped fixing his hair the way she had always done before Charles died-- his school picture showed his hair longer than normal and matted down according to KW. No, Lori may not have told anyone we know of that JJ is dead. I'll grant you that. But neither has she been acting as if JJ is a beloved child of hers that she would protect at all costs (from who?) and hide him away to the point where she herself is willing to sit in jail and still remain silent about JJ's whereabouts.

MOO.

Excellent points, and I can't think of many scenarios where Lori would allow herself to be seen by the entire world without makeup and wearing an orange jumpsuit if she had any other choice. MOO.

 

[LeBlack]

Welcome! I hope you like it here!

What gives me pause about only Lori being responsible is that he has a history of being highly manipulative in the past, using his false visions to move the entire family, have his wife stop playing mobile games, etc. This is presumably all before he met Lori. He knew her when Charles died, when her children went missing (including being part of moving their items in-and-out of storage and telling people her children had been deceased when he knew they weren't - at least not yet), stood by when Alex died. Not to mention, if Tammy did in fact die by just going to bed normally and then dying during the middle of the night, that would be extremely difficult for Lori to pull off without Chad. All MOO!

AND you would have to believe his visions of Tammy's death were real (as opposed to an alibi beforehand)

 

[Gardener1850]

BBM

I have seen this a few times here. No we have an original source for the "kids will never be found" quote?

I think people have twisted a line from Dateline and attributed it to Lori. In the Feb 14th Dateline episode the reporters who have been working on this case talked about Law Enforcement whispering to them "it's bad" and "the kids may never be found" (My paraphrase/not a direct quote). Somehow after the show aired people were posting in comments on social media saying that Lori said that. It's actually much worse than Lori saying that IMHO. Investigators said that to journalists on the case. That should give us a good indication of where this case is headed.

https://www.nbc.com/dateline/video/where-are-the-children/4114704

MOO.

 

[PingTheRouter]

i keep thinking back to that date at the national park, if they had both gone missing that day its possible they were at the park for a hand off to someone else instead of murdering the kids

but with it being possibly 2 separate dates its really hard to make that connection to me, i mean you wouldn't split them up and it would be easier to move them both together with someone else instead of keeping tracks of 2 seperate people with your kids

so hmm unfortunate i am back to square one of " i don't think they are alive"

 

[Teche]

Completely off topic...
I LOVE talking to the new missionaries. Apparently I’m on their list to call when they take over from the last missionaries. I invite them for a 2hr Bible study and then don’t hear back until the next set of missionaries come to town. That saddens me, though because I really enjoy studying the Bible and sharing what I’ve learned. They must not have time in their schedule to come back. So I start over with the next set.

Ha! You sound like a character. When my mom received calls from solicitors, she’d let them start their sales pitch, she’d cut them off and tell that she was an old lady who’s friends were dead and her family didn’t call or visit. She’d then precede to ask them if they could call her tomorrow to chat.

 

[Dontknow?]

Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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Brandon + his attorney say they have information proving Lori’s niece Melani told her new husband “sometimes children are full of life and then just like that they go dark.” They say Melani’s new husband has been cooperating with the Gilbert PD on attempted murder case.
Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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7m

Brandon + his attorney allege the “cult” Lori, Chad, and Melani are all a part of involves “numerous members, adults and children alike, (who) have been being killed off like flies.”
Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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1m

Brandon + his attorney say Lori’s niece Melani feels that the “suspicious death of her uncle (Alex Cox) who was the shooter in the incident involving children, has somehow freed her from her role in the attempt on (Brandon’s) life.”

Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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3m

Brandon Boudreaux feels as if he is the “spouse who got away” from a cult that includes Chad, Lori, and Melani. He wishes Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell could have also survived, for the sake of the kids. Especially JJ and Tylee. Now he fears for the life of his own kids.

 

[KonaHonu]

Did AC have life insurance? Did BB have life insurance? Was this a widow conspiracy of some sort ?

If AC had life insurance there is a good chance Lori was the beneficiary.

 

[Redvines86]

By aliens!

Honestly, if this was a movie, I think I would be more likely to believe aliens did it than the real story that's happening lol.

 

[NvrEndgStry]

Damn! That’s gotta be a strange setup for these newlyweds- Ian spilling the tea! As well he should. He’s got little ones to consider.

Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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6m

Brandon + his attorney say they have information proving Lori’s niece Melani told her new husband “sometimes children are full of life and then just like that they go dark.” They say Melani’s new husband has been cooperating with the Gilbert PD on attempted murder case.
Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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[Christ is Truth]

Ha! You sound like a character. When my mom received calls from solicitors, she’d let them start their sales pitch, she’d cut them off and tell that she was an old lady who’s friends were dead and her family didn’t call or visit. She’d then precede to ask them if they could call her tomorrow to chat.

Lol yep, that’ll be me in old age! For now, I’m happy just embarrassing my kiddos.

 

[Lyrarya]

The woman is seen on the second video down in this news story that was shared earlier today (the last thread)

Daybells' neighbor in Idaho captures last known video of JJ Vallow

These threads are moving too fast for me lol...if the date on the doorbell thing is correct then the brunette stranger came the day after the two men (AC? and CD?), visited the storage unit and dropped of the bikes. Could she be why?

 

[investigatefred]

Interesting tidbit shared tonight on Justin's Twitter ...

Twitter

BREAKING: New documents filed in AZ about the attempted murder of Brandon Boudreaux. Brandon + his attorney say Alex Cox was the shooter and that his ex-wife Melani has confessed (to her new husband) that she set up the attempt on his life.

 

[Dontknow?]

Adam Herbets
@AdamHerbets
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6m

Brandon has been in hiding now for months, with custody of his children. Melani has attempted to find him and was arrested for trespassing/ domestic violence at his parents’ house in Utah. She at one point offered a $10,000 reward on her now-deleted Facebook account.