Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[jjenny]

So Chad goes to the bank at 4:30 on Friday, today he cancels his lease and has to be out at the end of the week... I also believe that he speaks some Spanish, and they were previously heading to Mexico. LE, you better hustle if you’re planning on making an arrest!!

MOO

My feelings exactly. Don't count on him going back to Idaho. He got money, he isn't charged with anything as of now. So he can go anywhere he pleases.

 

[OGDiva]

So Chad goes to the bank at 4:30 on Friday, today he cancels his lease and has to be out at the end of the week... I also believe that he speaks some Spanish, and they were previously heading to Mexico. LE, you better hustle if you’re planning on making an arrest!!

MOO

I don't think he is going to be getting much of a welcome in Rexburg, in fact, it may not be a super safe place for him to return. Do you think his parents would be crazy enough to have him in their home in Springville? I can't imagine that would sit well with Tammy's family as they live fairly close to Chad's. (same little town) MOO

 

[kye0001]

The advert for dr Phil is out

 

[Sltpeppa]

Did you scrolled down a little further on Marcus Moore’s Twitter ?

 

[BigAl16]

@LDS social scientist: I'm really enjoying your posts, you're hitting the nail on the head. All day today, I have been thinking that it would be hard to not get pretty confused by all of this if you didn't have a lot of previous knowledge about the LDS faith (particularly the stuff about personal revelation and the last days). Other contributors have also done a good job of trying to clarify things. Keep up the good work -- in my opinion, your thoughts add valuable context to this discussion.

I'll second this.

 

[securitynerd]

I'm not sure this kind of a list would be readily available for any book, author, or publisher. What I can say is:

Chad's books (I didn't check any of his other authors) are available on the major online books stores (mainly Amazon, but also Barnes & Noble) in both paper and ebook. The market they are aimed at is a niche market, so a typical bricks and mortar bookstore in most places wouldn't carry them as there would be no demand. The exception to that would be stores in highly Mormon areas. Possibly some of those whether a chain like B&N or an independent bookstore would, I have no idea.

There are also two small chains aimed at this niche, Deseret Book and Seagull Book. I've seen articles on this saying these are both owned by the Mormon Church. I'm not sure whether or not that is true, but it wouldn't surprise me, especially in the case of Deseret Book. These chains apparently carried his books at some point in the past, but based on searching their online stores they don't appear to anymore.

Thanks! I have been doing what security people do best and found an interesting book seller for Chad.

I wasn't sure if I could share it here, though the records are publicly available through government agencies. I've been screen shotting records just in case they happen to disappear.

 

[Trask]

Did ya’ll scroll down just a little further on Marcus Moore twitter post?

He's banking his entire reputation on Chad's dangling carrot. That's not going to work out well.

Marcus Moore on Twitter

 

[Sltpeppa]

He's banking his entire reputation on Chad's dangling carrot. That's not going to work out well.

True Dat

 

[ClassyCassie]

Will the bail change when she gets to Idaho? Can they say No bail? Or will it stay the same?

 

[FindingJoLee]

Regarding the language of "feeling prompted" to tell someone something:

While I agree (with I think it was LHS) that to have a prospective employer use that sort of terminology would be offputting to many Mormons, it is more the context that is the sticking point rather than the language itself. Most Mormons, I think, tend to separate religious and professional contexts. Thus the employer using this language would be a kind of signal that might scare some LDS people off. (Actually the employer would be transgressing two "boundaries" here, the separation between professional and religious relationships, and the notion that spiritual inspiration should come only in relation to oneself or--in relatively few situations--through one's leaders within the church hierarchical system).

However, for Daybell to be recruiting authors through telling others about the promptings of the spirit seems less of a transgression (at least if one is already willing to believe that God gives random church members visions about important things). Mormons use this kind of "I was prompted to" do something all the time. Our previous church president/prophet was famous for committing to never ignoring a prompting and thus providing service to untold numbers of individuals who needed help just at that moment. Just yesterday in my church meeting, a speaker told of following an unusual prompting to question a friend about his spiritual health; though reluctant, he did. The moral of the story was that his friend returned to full church belief/activity because this person was willing to follow the promptings of the spirit. More generally, it is not unusual to hear stories of people whose lives were greatly blessed when others followed promptings to try to help them in certain kinds of ways.

I think Daybell was still a little more forward than most members would be comfortable with in following the "promptings," but church teaching tends toward encouraging getting past one's own qualms with regard to following promptings rather than being constrained by them. So it's not surprising that at least some LDS members are not put off by these sorts of things.

I'm really enjoying your posts. Thank you!! Keep it coming.

I just wanted to clarify that I'm not opposed to people experiencing a prompting or sharing their experiences around that. I actively look for spiritual promptings in my own life, and I think many people of faith do. But I'm opposed to people using language that is coercive towards others, rather than using their own spiritual experiences to guide their own actions.

"Would you be interested in this position?"
"Can we talk together about how we are using our time? Maybe we can make some improvements."
<-- This kind of language requires both parties to experience a prompting. Jessica could have accepted the job based on her own spiritual path and Tammy might have felt guided toward some other activity -- everyone arriving at the same destination having been guided by their own spirituality and agency.

 

[Kudzu]

I don't think he is going to be getting much of a welcome in Rexburg, in fact, it may not be a super safe place for him to return. Do you think his parents would be crazy enough to have him in their home in Springville? I can't imagine that would sit well with Tammy's family as they live fairly close to Chad's. (same little town) MOO

I agree, I don’t think he has safe options in either Rexburg or Springfield. I suspect he’s planning on leaving the country before his passport gets confiscated and going into hiding until July 20.

Again, MOO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Hm. His parent said (referenced somewhere) Chad will be okay. He had talked to his parents. Remember that?

"Chad will be okay". Not they. Not Chad and Lori. Chad. I predicted he would fold. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Maybe he's just moving to a resort for a day or two. I would not be surprised to see him head home. His conniving ways have cost him everything. Even if he didn't kill Tammy, his kids have got to be getting just a bit restless. Jmo.

 

[Gardener1850]

I would not be the least bit surprised if he runs or even takes his own life. He's kind of dangling there with no one to boost him up with their mutual ridiculous theories on their beliefs.

I'll be beyond surprised if he takes his life. I think he's too egotistically driven for that. However, he may think he can flee to a non-extradition country somewhere and continue to send email updates to his followers/continue to make money through AVOW. I hope he doesn't have a passport.

MOO.

 

[Anonymous91]

I really can’t see it though as he didn’t have access to those graves on his own like he did when he worked there. He would have had to involved a grave digger at the very least...possibly more people. MOO but there’s very few people out there that would willingly become involved in burying a child/disposing of a body. He doesn’t have the links/connections/businesses that the mafia did to carry that out. I think someone would have come forward and told LE and cut themselves a deal by now. Not saying he didn’t help dispose of them...I don’t know that...I don’t know what happened but i doubt they’re in a graveyard. Now if LE found people high up in the group that did have that kind of access then I suppose it could be a possibility sadly. MOO

Well I am pretty close to Rexburg. I can say that there are a few graveyards that I am aware of (not in Rexburg), that no one watches at night. One in particular that is in the middle of nowhere. It wouldn't be impossible, but I find it highly unlikely. MOO

 

[lonetraveler]

I'll see your midlife crisis blended with money and raise you pathological lying and sociopathic behaviors. But in the end, I agree with you. It will just be a tale as old as time: Aging, plain (sick) man meets flirty, pretty (sick) girl, both with well-insured spouses, one with inconvenient children but a willing brother. Hundreds of lives damaged, some lost, because luvvvers gonna luv.

I think you just managed to summarize this entire case.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'll see your midlife crisis blended with money and raise you pathological lying and sociopathic behaviors. But in the end, I agree with you. It will just be a tale as old as time: Aging, plain (sick) man meets flirty, pretty (sick) girl, both with well-insured spouses, one with inconvenient children but a willing brother. Hundreds of lives damaged, some lost, because luvvvers gonna luv.

I think you just managed to summarize this entire case.

 

[janewall]

Mercy, people! I couldn't keep up after Sunday morning, and now I'm a hundred pages behind! You are quite prolific poster-sleuths.

Who is Marcus Moore? What did Chad do at the bank? How is Lori sleeping on her pallet under the fluorescent lights?

Where are the children?

So many questions. A big welcome to our new VIs! You are appreciated even if I don't know what you've told us in the past day or so.

I really wish I could speed read.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

BBM. I notice some temples rent clothes. Could she just rent something appropriate?

Others are welcome to correct me but Temple undergarments are only available from church-sanctioned outlets. You can’t go to Victoria’s Secret and buy temple garments, unless something has changed. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Others are welcome to correct me but Temple undergarments are only available from church-sanctioned outlets. You can’t go to Victoria’s Secret and buy temple garments, unless something has changed. MOO

Then what are they renting out at the temple?

I found out I cant even look at the LDS clothes for sale at their church store unless I register. Jmo

 

[jjenny]

The advert for dr Phil is out

Like grandparents are saying, even if one to believe there was some sort of custody battle (concern about future custody battle) for JJ between them and Lori, there was no reason whatsoever to hide Tylee.