Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[Sltpeppa]

Marcus Moore on Twitter

Marcus has an ever so slight conversation with chad. But after reading that scroll down a bit for some info from cp.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Marcus Moore on Twitter

Marcus has an ever so slight conversation with chad. But after reading that scroll down a bit for some info from cp.

Oh. I see. That's actually linked upthread somewhere. Jmo.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Hi, a newbie here.

Have lurked from almost the beginning in this thread. But came for reasons that may be slightly different.

By inclination, I'm not a sleuther. I'll probably never go to any other WS threads. I came here because I noticed there was talk about Chad Daybell.

I perked up my ears on this case because over a decade ago I had just finished writing a series of academic papers on Mormon last days beliefs/speculations/ideas, particularly on how these beliefs might relate to current-day politics and ideas about particular places within the world. I happened to notice that Daybell was apparently just beginning to be involved in this much older genre. One of my most enlightening tasks (and discouraging at the same time, as someone who has never been into this stuff), was to compare LDS novels about the end times to evangelical Christian novels about the same topic (particularly the Left Behind series).

I never ended up reading Daybell, as that particular episode of my academic career ended just before I noticed his involvement in these kinds of things. I had thought that the most significant thing that would emerge from this genre was the election of Chris Stewart as a US congressperson from Utah. Stewart, unlike Daybell, was generally accepted within mainstream Mormonism (he had the imprimatur of Deseret Book, for example) and his series of novels about the last days seems to have been one of the things (in addition to his Air Force career) that put him on the map for election from Utah. Unfortunately, this Daybell case now is a second case where these last-days writings for an LDS audience helped to propel someone to greater fame.

I will stress that I am not an insider in this particular missing-children/etc case. My interest comes from three things:

a) being someone with social science/humanistic training who has long been interested in applying this training to understanding the LDS community

b) being an active LDS member

c) having some proximity to many of the places involved through life experience (Arizona, Utah, Hawaii, Idaho), though nothing that would give me any personal insight into the people involved in this case

I've been impressed by the discussion here on Websleuths, particularly in sorting out some of the distinctive LDS elements that may provide context to the case. I've seen many discussions elsewhere in which people on the differing sides of the LDS/non-LDS divide are unable to productively listen and talk to each other. Thankfully, that hasn't been the case here.

I do occasionally have a slightly different perspective than some of the other LDS commenters here, and so while I don't expect to be a frequent commenter, there are some things that have been floating around the discussion (esp. today) that I'd like to give my perspective on. So if you're not interested in this type of perspective, please just ignore me from now on.

I, personally, am interested in hearing your perspective. I imagine that your insight is interesting to others, as well. MOO

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Exactly.

Step 1: Type up email or group text to "faithful" AVOW members (i.e. paid subscribers) with fanciful descriptions of their sealing ceremony in Temple.

Step 2: Hit send.

Step 3: Keep collecting that money from people who think you are being upright and honest.

Easiest way to lie. No need to even look the others in the eye while lying. To be clear: I don't know if any of this happened, nor if those are the claims being made, but it wouldn't be hard to do. No ruse needed, unless conducting an elaborate ruse gave them more of a thrill or something...

MOO.

I'm not sure this is the post I want to enter this thought about so apologies to Gardener, but here goes:

I think we are giving too much credence to the groups that shall not be named for posting that they have spoken to CD and are vindicated, or that they know CD and LV or sealed, or that they know which penny stocks to invest in, or whatever else they are shoveling on their websites.

If they don't post something self serving they lose income everyday this goes on because the subscription fees are drying up. If they post "VINDICATED" with nothing to back it up some portion of their audience pays another month of fees to see what that means. If they post LV and CD are sealed some stick around and pay the subscription fee to see how that was possible. Self serving.

I don't see that groups that can't be named are more truthful or moral or trustworthy than CD and I see no reason to believe what they post about their alleged discussions with CD, edited and translated (no pun intended) from multiple texts, emails, phone calls boiled down to a few sentences full of subterfuge on the website actually have anything to do with CD. They are protecting their income stream by publishing whatever they think keeps subscriptions up.

MOO

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Lyda Southard: First US female serial killer. She lived in Idaho, killed multiple husbands and her daughter by poison, was searched for and finally found in Hawaii.
You just can't make this stuff up.
Lyda Southard – Captured and Exposed

I think we know now who Lori was in her last life.

 

[Anonymous91]

Interesting! Is he not going to stay and support Lori? Has Chad "felt prompted" to flee before possibly similar charges are filed against him? How is he not already charged with resisting and obstructing officers and criminal solicitation? Those are 2 of Lori's charges for lying about the whereabouts of JJ and for calling MG and asking her to lie to police about having JJ. Chad did the same things according to Lori's charging docs. I hope he's not able to flee to another country.

MOO.

My guess, is that these two are in so deep, Chad has no choice but follow her to Idaho. If he runs, their narrative completely falls apart.

As others have speculated, they will wait until Chad is in Idaho to arrest him, saves the expense of extraditing him. Also, they may be waiting to hear back on TD autopsy results. MOO

 

[Sltpeppa]

I think we know now who Lori was in her last life.

I am really trying to be respectful and not laugh. But dang I am to human and worldly. Ha ha ha

 

[indicolite22]

Again, good points. Somewhere, in following this story, and I am not sure of the source now...could have been an interview with a friend of LV, a YT channel with alleged emails from a source “close” to LV, court documents regarding divorce documents from CV...so much information. The source said that Lori stopped “wearing her garments “. IF this is a reliable source sharing secondhand information, first, if true, it confirms that at some point in time, Lori received Temple endowments and ordinances, that would require the wearing of “garments “. It is not secretive but more sacred. The garments represent protection, to some extent. There was a discussion earlier regarding Temple activities. By active members, access to the temples is restricted in some ways. I think another poster covered the requirements, which eventually might be relevant in this case. MOO

BBM. The information about Chad and Lori's temple sealing before their wedding was indeed part of the YT video citing an email from a source close to LV.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Hi, a newbie here.

Have lurked from almost the beginning in this thread. But came for reasons that may be slightly different.

By inclination, I'm not a sleuther. I'll probably never go to any other WS threads. I came here because I noticed there was talk about Chad Daybell.

I perked up my ears on this case because over a decade ago I had just finished writing a series of academic papers on Mormon last days beliefs/speculations/ideas, particularly on how these beliefs might relate to current-day politics and ideas about particular places within the world. I happened to notice that Daybell was apparently just beginning to be involved in this much older genre. One of my most enlightening tasks (and discouraging at the same time, as someone who has never been into this stuff), was to compare LDS novels about the end times to evangelical Christian novels about the same topic (particularly the Left Behind series).

I never ended up reading Daybell, as that particular episode of my academic career ended just before I noticed his involvement in these kinds of things. I had thought that the most significant thing that would emerge from this genre was the election of Chris Stewart as a US congressperson from Utah. Stewart, unlike Daybell, was generally accepted within mainstream Mormonism (he had the imprimatur of Deseret Book, for example) and his series of novels about the last days seems to have been one of the things (in addition to his Air Force career) that put him on the map for election from Utah. Unfortunately, this Daybell case now is a second case where these last-days writings for an LDS audience helped to propel someone to greater fame.

I will stress that I am not an insider in this particular missing-children/etc case. My interest comes from three things:

a) being someone with social science/humanistic training who has long been interested in applying this training to understanding the LDS community

b) being an active LDS member

c) having some proximity to many of the places involved through life experience (Arizona, Utah, Hawaii, Idaho), though nothing that would give me any personal insight into the people involved in this case

I've been impressed by the discussion here on Websleuths, particularly in sorting out some of the distinctive LDS elements that may provide context to the case. I've seen many discussions elsewhere in which people on the differing sides of the LDS/non-LDS divide are unable to productively listen and talk to each other. Thankfully, that hasn't been the case here.

I do occasionally have a slightly different perspective than some of the other LDS commenters here, and so while I don't expect to be a frequent commenter, there are some things that have been floating around the discussion (esp. today) that I'd like to give my perspective on. So if you're not interested in this type of perspective, please just ignore me from now on.

You made a comment, “I happened to notice that Daybell was apparently just beginning to be involved in this much older genre.” Would this older genre include “Voice of Warning” from the 1800s?

 

[jjenny]

Boy if people are confused why Lori so easy attracts men, how in the world did Lyda Southard had an "irresistible appeal" is way more puzzling to me.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

A comment on a twitter post mentioned putting bodies on top of bodies. Has there been any search of the cemetery in Provo where Chad Daybell worked or the Rexburg Cemetary for disturbed graves? Provo is 4+ hours from Rexburg. According to the definition, one of the jobs would be grave digging. So he would be familiar with the aspects of that and if JJ is deceased, they could have put him somewhere no one would think to look.

Wow. I wish I could remember more specifics but I read a "true crime" book many years ago that discussed the problem serial killers have of disposing of bodies. There was a killer in Providence, RI (I recall this detail because at the time I read the book I had recently been to a burial in Providence) who grew up next to a cemetery who realized the graves were dug late in the afternoon for the burials the next day. When he started killing he would take his victims to the cemetery, put them in the freshly dug grave, and cover them with an inch of dirt. The next morning a coffin would be lowered onto the body he was trying to conceal. No evidence ever connected him to the bodies, he was only caught because he confessed.

 

[Anonymous91]

MOO, the way these things usually go is after the end of the world doesn't come the grifters release a statement saying they miscalculated the date based on moon phases and leap years and sun spots, the world will actually end July 20 of 2025. Sorry!! But still happening so keep sending in those checks please.

I was in Guam in the 90's during a massive earthquake 8.1. What was funny was how many churches were all setting end of the world dates, all within the next few months.

I'll tell you what, I never saw so many people get so interested in religion in my life. MOO

 

[justice be served]

I'll see your midlife crisis blended with money and raise you pathological lying and sociopathic behaviors. But in the end, I agree with you. It will just be a tale as old as time: Aging, plain (sick) man meets flirty, pretty (sick) girl, both with well-insured spouses, one with inconvenient children but a willing brother. Hundreds of lives damaged, some lost, because luvvvers gonna luv.

Oh man, you are the best!

 

[KonaHonu]

I didnt know you could tell someone's beliefs by the way they dressed - it would seem to me theres quite a few members of a church who dont follow strict dress code - especially living in a Beach town - where you will see many people going barefoot or in cover ups, or wearing only a bikini, babies running naked at the beach, men shirtless and unshaven- oh the tyranny! Moo

It too darned hot in Kona. I know there are lots of Mormons here but you never see people "properly dressed," at least very few. I'll take your word for the strict dress code but I agree with Portiz - it does not seem to be widely followed in Hawaii.

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

I think we know now who Lori was in her last life.

DBM - duplicate

 

[justice be served]

Lori's parents...well they are a mystery, and non-sleuthable. But we do know they are pretty much anti-govt, and do a good job of avoiding MSM. (Mom's facebook account was taken down, but somehow I got the skelaton of it under some Chinese url) I COULD see parents disclosing more about Lori's psychological conditions as a way of protecting her, though would add much to our ongoing analysis of Lori!!! ...

Not so sure why they should be defending Lori, the apple doesn't...................(I'll let you all finish that).

 

[Onsdag]

Then what are they renting out at the temple?

I found out I cant even look at the LDS clothes for sale at their church store unless I register. Jmo

This will help explain a bit more about our sacred temple clothing and garments:

The clothing that can be rented at the temple are the temple robes and those are specifically for temple worship. Temple garments are the day to day under garments that endowed members wear at all times, with some minor exceptions.

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

I think we know now who Lori was in her last life.

FUNNY! Laughed so hard I startled the poor dog.

Wow. I wish I could remember more specifics but I read a "true crime" book many years ago that discussed the problem serial killers have of disposing of bodies. There was a killer in Providence, RI (I recall this detail because at the time I read the book I had recently been to a burial in Providence) who grew up next to a cemetery who realized the graves were dug late in the afternoon for the burials the next day. When he started killing he would take his victims to the cemetery, put them in the freshly dug grave, and cover them with an inch of dirt. The next morning a coffin would be lowered onto the body he was trying to conceal. No evidence ever connected him to the bodies, he was only caught because he confessed.

Good lord, the depravity seems to have no limits.

 

[holsen]

My guess, is that these two are in so deep, Chad has no choice but follow her to Idaho. If he runs, their narrative completely falls apart.

As others have speculated, they will wait until Chad is in Idaho to arrest him, saves the expense of extraditing him. Also, they may be waiting to hear back on TD autopsy results. MOO

This is exactly what I think as well. If the story he's trying to get his group/followers/family to believe is true (in his mind and in theirs), then what reason does he have to run? I also think he's way too wrapped around Lori's finger to run without her. He doesn't strike me as the type of person to run off and live an isolated life. And I agree that they're waiting for him to get back to Idaho to make a move and arrest him. MOO

 

[kye0001]

This will help explain a bit more about our sacred temple clothing and garments:

The clothing that can be rented at the temple are the temple robes and those are specifically for temple worship. Temple garments are the day to day under garments that endowed members wear at all times, with some minor exceptions.

So if LV didn’t think she needed to wear the under garments any more, would this affect her credibility with her inner group? Is there a chance they’re discussing whether she’s wearing them as much as we are? Just interested as to whether this will get them (who may know more details about the kids) questioning who they are to believe? MOO