Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[Gardener1850]

Regarding CR for the most part I agree he is OK, but at the same time I think he knows more and hopefully he's shared with LE. The thing that really bothers me though is after LVD sent the text to CV's son's that their father had died they were not getting replies from her. She was basically ignoring their messages. One of the son's texts or call's CR thinking possibly he knows what the heck is going on, there is no response and he leaves CR messages to call him back and he never does. Why would CR not return the call? Very bothersome to me.

BBM. Do you have a source for that? Because this is the first I have read about CR not returning calls from his step-brothers after CV died. I do recall CR's interview saying he ignored calls and texts from Charles in Feb 2019 after Lori lied to CR saying Charles had cheated on her. CR was dealing with his newborn baby being in the hospital at that time and was angry at Charles, because CR believed Lori's lie. It's possible he didn't know what to say to his step-brothers (Charles' sons) and it could have made it extra awkward if he still believed that Charles had been cheating.

But, also, let's not forget that Lori lied to CR at first saying Charles had a heart attack. After Lori told CR that Charles was shot by Alex, well... If I were Colby I wouldn't know what to believe at that point. I certainly wouldn't be calling other relatives to tell them the cause of death if I didn't know what was true. And now that I type all this out, it just occurred to me-- maybe that was Lori's intention with the lie to Colby? Maybe she hoped she could tell Colby "heart attack" and Colby would spread that lie to the other family members she didn't want to contact? Had she used Colby before in that way? Maybe he had realized that over the years and this time decided to shut down instead of spreading his mom's false narratives?

MOO.

ETA: Here is CR's long interview: RAW INTERVIEW: Full 42 minutes with Colby Ryan

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I've been lurking for the last few weeks, and have been following this bizarre case along with everyone else.

Maybe I missed it, but I'm confused about Lori's oldest son. He stated that detectives came to his door asking for the whereabouts of the two missing kids. Now we are hearing that Alex told police that they were with the Woodcocks, then Lori told them they were with Melanie. So how does Lori's son fit into this?

I may have some experience that can help understand the psychology behind Lori. A few years back I was in a really bad marriage, that I've thankfully was able to get out of. After multiple sessions with my therapist, he was sure that she had Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), and was highly functional at that. He also thought she could have some narcissistic tendencies as well. Of course, this was not an official diagnosis, because according to my ex, she had no problems it was all me. I've spent years learning about these different disorders, and learning to recognize the signs.

As I was watching the Jodi Arias trial years ago, it was like I was seeing those signs all over again. My ex-wife and her could have been sisters. By the way, Jodi was also diagnosed with BPD.

After what I have seen and read about LVD I am fairly confident that she is also a highly functional BPD. She exhibits several signs.

When she is caught in a lie, she just changes it, it doesn't even phase her.

Calls JJ her niece's drug baby, and seems to think this is normal behavior.

Everything is about her, if it doesn't benefit her she doesn't want to deal with it.

In public, she came across as the "perfect mom", so did my ex. They are really good at putting on a show in public. It's when you are behind closed doors things get real.

Although we don't know why CV dropped the divorce, I think he was being manipulated by Lori. I think she used several tactics on him. This article explains it better than I can:

Video: Love Bombing, Brainwashing, Trauma Bonds, Narcissists and Borderlines, Part 1 - Shrink4Men

I think CV felt that LVD was being genuine with him, and he let his guard down.

Now back to eating my popcorn.

Although BPD is a highly misogynistic and problematic diagnosis, when you're right you're right. My mom has BPD and she acted just like Lori... I was raised by my grandma because my mom pretty much abandoned me to go off and have fun because she was rebellious and didn't want to go to college. Five years later, the b**ch came to take me back, got custody because biology, and booted me back to my grandparents again and again through my childhood years because I was mouthy and I hated her and I acted up on purpose to get away from her. My mom lied all the time, to everyone, for no reason. She believed her own lies too, and she still does. And you can't really confront her in a lie either, it's very frustrating... she'll just deny everything based on facts. You can catch her in "emotional untruths" about how you feel and manipulation but she'll just cry and make everything about her... She can't maintain one steady relationship in her life, yet she has a good relationship with her weird church. She even got mad when I went to college and has had a go at my grandmother and grandfather multiple times for parenting me even though she left me, just because she's jealous, even though they stepped up and she stepped out. My psychiatrist says these types of behavior patterns are typical of extreme BPD persons...

I suspect Lori is the same kind of person.

 

[BluebirdFla]

They said they believed the kids "could be in serious danger." That means that even the top brass thinks there is a chance the kids are still alive.

If LE thinks they may be alive and if so in danger, what comes to my mind instantly is child trafficking.

 

[BigAl16]

If LE thinks they may be alive and if so in danger, what comes to my mind instantly is child trafficking.

That's a scary thought, but I don't think we can rule out Lori doing that if the payday was sufficient.

 

[Snoods]

I’m sure this is old news but I’m just finding this out, she gave away JJ’s service dog because of a ‘change in life circumstances’!? Would the ‘life’ in question be JJ’s planned lack of one?

On July 22 she contacted Dog Training Elite in Arizona about re-homing the service animal because of a 'change in life circumstances', according to police. She gave the dog away on August 30 - just weeks before JJ was last seen.

WTF? She’s an empty nester, eh? So J.J. and Tylee have moved out and gone to college? She and Chad are vile. Disposing of your children does not mean you get to call yourself an empty nester! How long did they think they would be able to perpetuate this lie? They essentially erased Tylee and J.J. from their lives to sex it up in Hawaii.

She was also said to have referred to herself as an 'empty-nester' in November to Daybell's parents.

Enough with the inappropriate facial expressions in court! Here she looks like butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth. The cat who ate the canary.



“Oh well, whatcha gonna do? Don’t these idiot judge-y court people know I’m an empty nester? Sigh. The things I must endure.”


The two of them couldn’t care less about the anguish they are causing relatives and friends. They exude selfishness.
'Cult mom' Lori Vallow appears in Hawaii court after arrest over disappearance of children | Daily Mail Online

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Basically this makes the point that the GPS part of your cell phone is working even if you don't get cell service at the spot where you are. So I'm wondering if whatever might be tracking your location is going to be working (maybe saving to be retrieved later) where you are, even if you can't send a text, make a phone call, or Google something.

GPS=satellites tracking location, right?

 

[BluebirdFla]

That's a scary thought, but I don't think we can rule out Lori doing that if the payday was sufficient.

What did LVs niece say something like “children are light and then they go dark...” makes me wonder.

 

[Anance]

I was raised by my grandma because my mom pretty much abandoned me to go off and have fun because she was rebellious and didn't want to go to college. Five years later, the b**ch came to take me back, got custody because of biology, and booted me back to my grandparents again and again through my childhood years ...She believed her own lies too, and she still does. And you can't really confront her in a lie either, it's very frustrating... she'll just deny everything based on facts. You can catch her in "emotional untruths" about how you feel and manipulation but she'll just cry and make everything about her...

I am so sorry you had to endure that. Hopefully, you are stronger and more aware of others' manipulations because of it.

 

[mickey2942]

The thing that I was most interested to read in this A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News
article is this part:


But both Chad and Rowe have taught that people can essentially be reincarnated and live multiple times — and have multiple probations — on earth. (Reincarnation is not accepted Latter-day Saint doctrine.)

In some of these groups, tied into this belief is the idea that a man and a woman might be destined to be together, even if that person is married to someone else. Like multiple probations, this is not a Latter-day Saint belief.

Contrary to LDS norms, Amber said her husband began to take another married woman to a Latter-day Saint temple to receive revelation from God. Temples are places of worship for Latter-day Saints where members perform marriage ceremonies and do spiritual work.

“These people go to the temple and make promises to be together,” Amber said. “They pray about it and feel like they are getting answers.”

......

So, my question is.. when did this idea become ok and whose idea was it? Was it Chad’s idea because he was interested in someone else? Did that possibly get mentioned to a spouse and that spouse not approve? Would that be the “religious/cult/made-up” belief behind these deaths if money wasn’t the sole motivator?

If Chad believed that Lori was his "true" wife, cult beliefs, whatever. He would tell his "earthly" wife, Tammy, "I have met my "true" spiritual wife, and no longer want to be married to you. Sign off on the divorce proceedings.".

Instead, Tammy Daybell has an extraordinary amount of life insurance in the amount of $400,000 or more. It would be interesting to know when that policy was activated. And Tammy ends up dead. Chad is married to his "true" wife, Lori, less than 2 weeks later.

Which scenario sounds like a cult belief? And which one sounds like premeditated murder for cash?

 

[NvrEndgStry]

Welcome! Terrific post!

Zeroing in on Colby- He had a vehicle taken from him (that was given to him by his uncle Alex) by law enforcement as part of the investigation. My opinion from here is that he may have been questioned about the kids at that time.

I've been lurking for the last few weeks, and have been following this bizarre case along with everyone else.

Maybe I missed it, but I'm confused about Lori's oldest son. He stated that detectives came to his door asking for the whereabouts of the two missing kids. Now we are hearing that Alex told police that they were with the Woodcocks, then Lori told them they were with Melanie. So how does Lori's son fit into this?

I may have some experience that can help understand the psychology behind Lori. A few years back I was in a really bad marriage, that I've thankfully was able to get out of. After multiple sessions with my therapist, he was sure that she had Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), and was highly functional at that. He also thought she could have some narcissistic tendencies as well. Of course, this was not an official diagnosis, because according to my ex, she had no problems it was all me. I've spent years learning about these different disorders, and learning to recognize the signs.

As I was watching the Jodi Arias trial years ago, it was like I was seeing those signs all over again. My ex-wife and her could have been sisters. By the way, Jodi was also diagnosed with BPD.

After what I have seen and read about LVD I am fairly confident that she is also a highly functional BPD. She exhibits several signs.

When she is caught in a lie, she just changes it, it doesn't even phase her.

Calls JJ her niece's drug baby, and seems to think this is normal behavior.

Everything is about her, if it doesn't benefit her she doesn't want to deal with it.

In public, she came across as the "perfect mom", so did my ex. They are really good at putting on a show in public. It's when you are behind closed doors things get real.

Although we don't know why CV dropped the divorce, I think he was being manipulated by Lori. I think she used several tactics on him. This article explains it better than I can:

Video: Love Bombing, Brainwashing, Trauma Bonds, Narcissists and Borderlines, Part 1 - Shrink4Men

I think CV felt that LVD was being genuine with him, and he let his guard down.

Now back to eating my popcorn. MOO

 

[BigAl16]

GPS=satellites tracking location, right?

Right. At least that's my understanding.

 

[Redvines86]

No. This post by Christopher Parrett was written at least a month ago if not earlier. I've seen it floating around and so has another person as well. It was just finally put into the MSM articles. This phone call took place long before Lori got a new orange jumpsuit.

I see a lot of this kind of stuff that I can't post here because it's not in a news article or coming from an official LE channel.

I guess Parrett is waiting for Tammy’s autopsy result to fully commit one way or the other MOO

 

[Anonymous91]

My guess of how this will go down. MOO

Lori will spin some wild story, and be caught up in her lies. This won't phase her, she'll just pick a new lie.

This worked for Jodi Arias, she changed her lies 3 times, and it worked for her.Her last lie was to blame everything on the dead guy. This went to hung jury twice, and she avoided the death penalty.

What really frustrates me about that case is she pranced around claiming she was a victim in all of this. Reminds me of LVD, I am sure she is going to be doing the same thing.

It's an atrocity to true victims everywhere.

It's awfully convenient that Alex is dead, makes for the perfect scapegoat. She'll just keep spinning her web of lies until it sticks to the dead guy. MOO

From what it sounds like CV and LVD may also be trying to throw the Woodcocks under the bus too for good measure.

 

[Christ is Truth]

So, my question is.. when did this idea become ok and whose idea was it? Was it Chad’s idea because he was interested in someone else? Did that possibly get mentioned to a spouse and that spouse not approve? Would that be the “religious/cult/made-up” belief behind these deaths if money wasn’t the sole motivator?

BBM
If I’m not mistaken, the idea came originally from Joseph Smith when he was caught with another woman, received a revelation from Moroni that he (Joseph) was allowed to have another wife and his first wife had to be ok with it.
ETA link: Fanny Alger - Joseph Smith's Polygamy

 

[diggndeeperstill]

BBM. Do you have a source for that? Because this is the first I have read about CR not returning calls from his step-brothers after CV died. I do recall CR's interview saying he ignored calls and texts from Charles in Feb 2019 after Lori lied to CR saying Charles had cheated on her. CR was dealing with his newborn baby being in the hospital at that time and was angry at Charles, because CR believed Lori's lie. It's possible he didn't know what to say to his step-brothers (Charles' sons) and it could have made it extra awkward if he still believed that Charles had been cheating.

But, also, let's not forget that Lori lied to CR at first saying Charles had a heart attack. After Lori told CR that Charles was shot by Alex, well... If I were Colby I wouldn't know what to believe at that point. I certainly wouldn't be calling other relatives to tell them the cause of death if I didn't know what was true. And now that I type all this out, it just occurred to me-- maybe that was Lori's intention with the lie to Colby? Maybe she hoped she could tell Colby "heart attack" and Colby would spread that lie to the other family members she didn't want to contact? Had she used Colby before in that way? Maybe he had realized that over the years and this time decided to shut down instead of spreading his mom's false narratives?

MOO.

ETA: Here is CR's long interview: RAW INTERVIEW: Full 42 minutes with Colby Ryan

I actually remember that same statement about him not calling back CV’s sons. I’m not sure where it was, but I do remember as well. I’ll look.

 

[BigAl16]

BBM
If I’m not mistaken, the idea came originally from Joseph Smith when he was caught with another woman, received a revelation from Moroni that he (Joseph) was allowed to have another wife and his first wife had to be ok with it.

Not exactly the same, but close. One difference is that JS could marry other men's wives, for example. Apparently CD can't do that, so CV had to be out of the way first.

Edit: Maybe if CD could send CV on a mission to Europe it would have worked out differently.

 

[longtimereader]

A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

Family please stop him from cashing in on the death of his wife and the rest. Son of Sam law - Wikipedia

 

[Anonymous91]

BBM
If I’m not mistaken, the idea came originally from Joseph Smith when he was caught with another woman, received a revelation from Moroni that he (Joseph) was allowed to have another wife and his first wife had to be ok with it.

Well, this is actually a "hotly" debated topic that even members don't agree on. There are those that claim that Joseph Smith introduced "polygamy" in secret, and that it was only after his death that it was taught publicly. There are also others that believe that Joseph Smith taught against this, and that BY was the one that started the practice.

It is a very hotly debated topic in LDS forums. Being that it happened over 100 years ago, who knows what really happened. MOO

 

[Whaddayano]

GRI = Global Research Initiative.

It was started by another mover and shaker in the prepper community. He turned over control of it to AVOW and Chad back in 2015. It is hidden behind a paywall on AVOW, which itself is a paywall. To access AVOW and the GRI section would cost about $10.50/month. I don't know if they still put out publications since Chad went AWOL back in November and he ran it, or at the very least was a major contributor of it.

given the current immense interest in apocalyptic prepping among certain circles, this site is quite the lucrative fear mongering lil money-maker yeah? not that CP et al are necessarily directly involved in anything beyond their own stuff, but the sleeze just oozes with this one

 

[Gardener1850]

The chance of interaction between even the red dot drugs is still very small...

Not that I mean to minimize the risk of drug interactions by any means!

Are you an actual doctor or is that a lay-opinion? What are the chances of deadly interactions if the victims are given overdoses of both drugs? Increased risk then or still "very small"?

BTW, if you are a doctor/attorney as you username says, please consider becoming a verified professional here: Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

We have many valued Verified Professionals that weigh in on cases here and it's always enlightening to read their observations on how things work in the real world versus what we can find on the internet. Becoming verified allows you to state your opinion as a professional in your field without having to give a source for your opinion.

If you are a medical doctor, I would love to hear your opinion on the chances of certain substances being found at autopsy in the cases of Tammy and Alex. And also what you think about Joseph Ryan's autopsy report.