Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

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ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

@LDS social scientist, thank you so for these well-written, very informative posts. (I hope I linked back to your thread posts properly!) I've been thinking about a book I read on this subject and I thought I'd post about it now and add a bit to your discussion.

I read the book "Under the Banner of Heaven" by Jon Krakauer a long time ago. It is very much a book about how personal revelations/receiving directives from God/"promptings" can become dangerous - and how this concept does have a unique presence in the LDS faith and the history of Mormonism. I would like to point out the obvious here: millions and millions of Mormons, in the experience of their faith, do not come to ends like Lori and Chad, or the Lafferty brothers - these are rare cases where their basic beliefs became very, very extreme. (Similarly, millions of Muslims practice Islam peacefully and don't become extremists, and millions of Christians don't become cult leaders.) I find it quite interesting though - how aspects of religious belief and faith may be twisted into something ungodly and dark - in these rare cases. The story of many dangerous cults are the story of how tenets of faith are distorted, and used to manipulate and harm others.

Under the Banner of Heaven is one of the best books I've ever read - and not just because it happens to combine interests of mine in religion and true crime. Krakauer, a really brilliant author, expounds on the history of Joseph Smith and the expansion of the LDS church while weaving in the story of a brutal and horrific murder "committed in the name of God by brothers Ron and Dan Lafferty, who subscribed to a fundamentalist version of Mormonism". (via wiki, link posted below)

I realize, as has been discussed here, that Chad and Lori are certainly not FLDS. Still, there are some deep similarities between their beliefs/actions and those of the Lafferty brothers. Both are stories about reprehensible motives carried out by people who believed they were sanctioned by God.

So if anyone is interested in reading a true crime story in which the perpetrators claimed the murders were a result of "divine revelation", you should read all about Ron and Dan Lafferty. I'll drop off some links, and then I have to go. (I am taking classes online and am quite busy - not sure if I'll have time to post much in the future.)

About the book:
(if/when this case ever slows down, it should make for great reading while waiting for new "news")
Under the Banner of Heaven - Wikipedia
Thou Shalt Kill

About the murders:
Utah v. Lafferty - Wikipedia
1984 Lafferty case still haunts
Blood Brothers

p.s. thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts and knowledge - especially the verified insiders, I'm so sorry for what you must be going through. And a special thank you, too, to @Gardener1850 for working so hard on that amazing timeline.

This is a great book. And a the perfect read to understand how people use religion to commit evil

 

[Anonymous91]

Is there a legal reason that Christopher Parrett is able to say that Chad told him "the kids are just fine, alive and well" but that would prevent Chad or Lori saying it themselves?

And I am also totally unable to think of an example of a compelling reason for not showing a dated photo of the children. Anyone have any ideas???

This to me is why I feel the kids are dead, I hope I'm wrong. MOO

I can't think of one reason that you can't at the very least say "The kids are fine". Not saying anything implies that they aren't. How does that affect a custody hearing, as they are supposedly claiming?

Same goes with a photo of one (or both) of the kids holding a newspaper. Just make sure that the background is neutral. I can't see any valid reason for this.

I take that back, I can see reasons for doing what they are doing:

1- The kids are dead, this one would make the most sense.
2- The kids were trafficked. I found this extremely unlikely, as others have discussed.
3- The kids ran off. Again, I find this to be extremely unlikely. Especially given the events in this case.
4- They are being blackmailed. This seems the most insane and far out idea I can come up with. Well, next to Alien Abductions.

That's all I can think of, am I missing anything? MOO

 

[BigAl16]

William J. LaGioia, married in Travis, Texas when Lori was 23 per Ancestry.com. Since this is out there, I think it is okay to post it - if not please delete mods.

Curiously I thought Kay said that he was her first, but this says it was her second with some talk about her first, but no name or anything. I remember the discussion now about her having been married a short time to someone with Colby being born while they were married.

A timeline of the events surrounding the disappearance of J.J. Vallow and Tylee Ryan

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Yup. Been surprised to learn that he has not been arrested for wearing long pants within 1 mile of the shoreline.

And what did he mean by "I can't say" when asked if the kids are ok?

What about the arrest is surprising?

 

[BigAl16]

I finally put this together when I read your post a couple times and it scared me. Allegedly these "cult" or "fringe" people, they are saying if you do not believe what they are saying it might be because you "aren't ready." Apologies that I don't have the source but I know I have read this exact quote with regard to CD and/or AVOW which is why it bothers me.

The insinuation is you, the nonbeliever, are the person that is lacking, not smart enough, not evolved enough, not good enough.

Flashback to the 1980s when I was early teens, my parents were so heavily into what might have been the only MLM scheme at the time (rhymes with "am weigh"), that they would practice sales pitches on me and my brother and ask us for our thoughts. In my house in the 1980s we discussed the phrase "you aren't ready" for months.

The phrase "you aren't ready" is pure pyramid...sorry, I mean MLM, marketing for decades.

I think this is a form of gaslighting.

 

[Spartygirl]

This is the part that concerns me. What’s going to happen when the world doesn’t end in July? When the second coming doesn’t begin? I get preparedness. I’ve got a larder/pantry and it is well stocked and comes in really handy. But CD/LV and the rest are taking it way too far. What’s going to happen to all those people that have comepletely changes their lives, marriages, sold up and bought all these provisions when the world carries on as normal? MOO

It will be interesting, for sure to see how they react

 

[Sticksandspades]

Posted to Media Timeline
February 24, 2020
EIN
READ: The court documents filed by the ex-husband of Lori Daybell's niece | East Idaho News

No highlights, much easier to read.

Excellent, thanks.
Now if we could obtain the Mothers petition we would be in business. It would help clarify in Para 15 which "incident involving children" is being discussed. A) the shooting of CV where JJ and Tylee were present or B) something much worst involving JJ and Tylee directly or C) something else entirely.

 

[alter idem]

So yes then? However, surely sealing has to be done by a LDS official doesn't it?

A valid, real sealing yes. This really is all speculation, we don't even know if the claim is true, I heard it mentioned in an anonymous email and it was pretty vague. They could not have a real sealing done, they would have to bring recommends from their own Bishops for the sealing ordinance and Chad's bishop and Lori's Bishop aren't going to give them recommends to marry people who are already married. So, that means, IF they actually did manage some sort of ceremony in the temple, it would have been unofficial, and not sanctioned at all. It's also pretty hard to sneak into a room by yourself, since there are so many temple workers around to guide people to make sure they don't get lost or wander off. But they could have sat quietly in an area for temple patrons and whispered together and no one would have bothered them. I think there are some things we'll just have to wait to get more information about, and hope the sources are credible.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

This to me is why I feel the kids are dead, I hope I'm wrong. MOO

I can't think of one reason that you can't at the very least say "The kids are fine". Not saying anything implies that they aren't. How does that affect a custody hearing, as they are supposedly claiming?

Same goes with a photo of one (or both) of the kids holding a newspaper. Just make sure that the background is neutral. I can't see any valid reason for this.

I take that back, I can see reasons for doing what they are doing:

1- The kids are dead, this one would make the most sense.
2- The kids were trafficked. I found this extremely unlikely, as others have discussed.
3- The kids ran off. Again, I find this to be extremely unlikely. Especially given the events in this case.
4- They are being blackmailed. This seems the most insane and far out idea I can come up with. Well, next to Alien Abductions.

That's all I can think of, am I missing anything? MOO

Possibly #4, regarding Tylee. The events previously in Arizona, including the death of CV. I think it possible that Tylee could be included as co-conspirator, as a minor. MOO

 

[FindingJoLee]

Possibly #4, regarding Tylee. The events previously in Arizona, including the death of CV. I think it possible that Tylee could be included as co-conspirator, as a minor. MOO

Could you explain a bit more of your thinking on this? I'm interested.

 

[sgjsnow]

Why do you think that was? Was it prior to their marriage perhaps (Lori and LaGioia)? Never mind, I see they were married 22 Oct 1995 and son was born the following April.

Not sure why he took Lori's last name. Though based on the dates it sounds like a shotgun wedding. Maybe things were rocky in the marriage by the time Colby was born?

 

[BigAl16]

Why do you think that was? Was it prior to their marriage perhaps (Lori and LaGioia)? Never mind, I see they were married 22 Oct 1995 and son was born the following April.

Way premature.

 

[simlyme]

I don't believe Marcus Moore Twitter. I think he's looking for his 15 minutes. Show us the actual clip. That picture looks photoshopped to me.

 

[Anonymous91]

I think this is a form of gaslighting.

Most people haven't heard of gaslighting before. It's coined from an old movie from the 1940's. A good definition can be found here:

A Shrink for Men

This gives a brief example of how this is done.

I went through this, it really messes with your head. This should be illegal, and punishable.

Even years later I still question my own memories. One of the traits of gaslighting, is that it is done over and over again until you start doubting your own reality.

I had to add this image of what I imagine of Lori.

MOO

 

[Portiz34]

Instead of a "Like" we need an "Amen" option for this one.

Amen!

 

[Tigerlily75]

I don't believe Marcus Moore Twitter. I think he's looking for his 15 minutes. Show us the actual clip. That picture looks photoshopped to me.

He’s a verified reporter for ABC news. I really don’t think he’d risk his job like that.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

When Colby was born (during their marriage) Colby was given the surname Cox, and Lori's name was still Cox. LaGioia is not even on the birth certificate for Colby -- there's no father listed.

Thanks for the reference as “LaGioia”, for surname (is that correct?), of CR. Yes, since it is now a national story, the facts need to be examined. MOO

 

[simlyme]

He’s a verified reporter for ABC news. I really don’t think he’d risk his job like that.

So where is the video clip? Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Anonymous91]

So, I think I may have figured out a piece of this weird cult psyche.

See if this sounds familiar with what we have heard about kids going dark, and so forth.

"They need to dehumanize you to justify their behaviors. They have to lie to maintain that they are indeed always the victim." This is in reference to survivors of Domestic Abuse

Does that sound like anyone we know? LVD and possibly CD

What do you all think? MOO

 

[longtimereader]

That’s interesting...he’s actually spoken now he hasn’t got LV by his side. Who’s supporting him though? MOO[/QUOTE]

In my opinion, he was trying out some false humility/I'm just the grateful humble guy looking for support. The good cop to her bad cop routine. Part of the manipulation.