Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[WhereIsWaldo]

I might be wrong, but I think Pratt's Voice of Warning is more of a general thesis on why people should join the church than concentrating on last-days prophecies per se. But it is true, that people in the 1800s felt more free to speculate on last-days events than most mainstream Mormons do today.

Thanks for explaining a possible relationship.

 

[Lionsanddandelions]

I keep wanting to respond to this. While it is a horrible thing for her to say, it is technically true.

You may have a point, and maybe I am reading too much into that comment/being overly PC, but I just can't imagine a caring adoptive parent breezily referring to their child as a "drug baby." There can be stigmas attached to labels like that, and it seems the information is unnecessary when introducing your family to the neighbor, IMO.

 

[BluebirdFla]

Oh yeah! That was a huge revelation. I'm sure LE has a better timeline than us, although I would not be surprised if they are not using yours to check theirs! But if she checked JJ out of school in the morning and and was in Hawaii the same day it is plausible but wow. It could mean JJ is somewhere in Hawaii.

Hmm...Could JJ maybe be on Maui? Hence the quick trip. There’s still a drop of hope left here.

 

[SSV]

BPD is interesting and I have studied it some but is it recognized as a mental illness, like with a classification?

Yes, it is. It is in the DSM (I would link but you have to have an account). A quick google will get you more info as well as the link below. People with BPD (not all of them but many of them) can wreak havoc on the lives of those around them (source: me & growing up with a BPD parent).

NIMH » Borderline Personality Disorder

 

[Gardener1850]

Oh yeah! That was a huge revelation. I'm sure LE has a better timeline than us, although I would not be surprised if they are not using yours to check theirs! But if she checked JJ out of school in the morning and and was in Hawaii the same day it is plausible but wow. It could mean JJ is somewhere in Hawaii.

I don't believe he is in Hawaii. There would have been evidence of him traveling there with her. LE has repeatedly told us there is no evidence JJ and Tylee have been in Hawaii. But what would make Lori say she was in Hawaii? Or what would make her rush off to Hawaii after unenrolling JJ from school? Was she trying to set up an alibi? I wonder where Alex was while Lori was claiming to be in Hawaii.

MOO.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Hmm...Could JJ maybe be on Maui? Hence the quick trip. There’s still a drop of hope left here.

Maybe not Maui but Kona area?

 

[KonaHonu]

Oh for the love of... You're not talking about criminal litigation and judicial application of US law in state cases or in federal court with any of those things! The law does not depend on hypotheticals from some dude on Forbes who pointed out the legal equivalent of a "one weird trick" meme...

I'm so mad, I'm thinking about being verified...

Doesn't it bother you that some a***ole could be reading this thread right now, and think they can get away with murder, if they do it in a certain part of the US? I don't want to spread that belief because it is dangerous and wrong.

My understanding is that the few acres in Arizona would be under the laws of Spain so not lawless, just not US jurisdiction. And no, I don't want to empower a***ole. But you can research the issue in Arizona yourself and you will find it is at best unsettled.

 

[KonaHonu]

So? This is not how one should refer to a child. We have standards of language in society and language matters... and this was a terrible choice of language on Lori’s part.

I agree. But some people seemed to questioned the truthfulness of the statement. Horrible language but true.

 

[KonaHonu]

I don't believe he is in Hawaii. There would have been evidence of him traveling there with her. LE has repeatedly told us there is no evidence JJ and Tylee have been in Hawaii. But what would make Lori say she was in Hawaii? Or what would make her rush off to Hawaii after unenrolling JJ from school? Was she trying to set up an alibi? I wonder where Alex was while Lori was claiming to be in Hawaii.

MOO.

I don't think he is in Hawaii either and setting up an alibi was my first thought

 

[DoctorAttorney]

My understanding is that the few acres in Arizona would be under the laws of Spain so not lawless, just not US jurisdiction. And no, I don't want to empower a***ole. But you can research the issue in Arizona yourself and you will find it is at best unsettled.

The judicial system doesn't operate on hypotheticals.

 

[KonaHonu]

She didn't have to say anything about the "grand" in her own name. JJ was her adopted son. All she needed to say and indeed, should have said to people who were pretty much strangers, was, "I'm sorry for my son's behavior, in the future, it will be corrected."

It's like, really simple. It is unwise and cruel to guilt strangers about your personal problems.

Like I said, a horrible thing for her to say. But not a lie

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

At this point getting verified would be a public service. Seriously, this Death Zone hoax (and telling people that they can get away with murder as long as they do it in a certain place in the US, is indeed a hoax), is socially irresponsible.

Your credentials must be outstanding and would certainly be of great value to this forum and the general public, as a public service.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Maybe not Maui but Kona area?

Kona is on the big island, and it's hard to hide there because it's so agriculture focused. I doubt that the kids are there very strongly.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Sorry if somebody already answered this but who did LV pick up from the airport? Was it MG?

Edited to insert LV

It appears to be.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Your credentials must be outstanding and would certainly be of great value to this forum and the general public, as a public service.

Do I detect sarcasm?

 

[KonaHonu]

The judicial system doesn't operate on hypotheticals.

Right. But it relies on traceable legal authority which does not exist when there is questionable treaty or similar authority.

 

[LDS social scientist]

Noticed that my last post was missing its final paragraph (and a bit more) somehow and there's no edit option available for some reason (maybe too long?). Anyway, here's (hopefully) the full thing:

I guess one of the things I'm trying to get at with my mini dissertation here, is that while it is indeed is true that most active, mainstream LDS members (and I put myself in this category) are abhorred by many of the things Chad and Lori seem to be teaching and seem to have done, the bright line between what they seem to subscribe to and what the mainstream church teaches is not as easily identifiable as what we LDS members would sometimes like to believe.

For Chad especially (Lori is a little harder to say this about), I think it's easy to see why some (relatively small number of) strongly active/committed LDS members (especially those particularly concerned about the Second Coming and wanting more obviously vibrant forms of spirituality/revelation within their LDS lives) might become interested in his ideas.

If I recall correctly, the podcast that Lori (and perhaps Chad) participated in was named "Warrior Up." This is a phrase that I think virtually all LDS members will recognize as referring to the story of the "2000 Stripling Warriors" in the Book of Mormon. Chad and Lori are by no means the only ones within Mormonism to refer to need for LDS members to become more like these "warriors." The message is regularly given to LDS teenagers. These 2000 stripling warriors were young men, taught the gospel by their parents, who were willing to fight and put their lives on the line to defend their people against an aggressive enemy. Closely connected to this story is the Book of Mormon story of Captain Moroni, who, through the sword, defended faith, family, and land against both external and internal enemies. While Mormons spiritualize these stories these days (the institutional church is not asking for people to be violent in any way), these are still two of the leading stories that Mormons take from the Book of Mormon and try to uphold (in zeal for righteousness) in their own lives. Mainstream Mormonism strongly encourages its members to apply stories from Book of Mormon heroes to members' own lives. We (as members) want to live their lives, in a metaphorical sense, to the appropriate extent possible.

Another leading story exhibiting zeal in righteousness in the Book of Mormon is the story of Nephi. Unfortunately, this, MOO, is even more problematic in regard to what Chad might feel he's doing. Nephi is the first character (and narrator) in the Book of Mormon; almost immediately he tells a story of being told by the spirit to kill an evil person in order to save a sacred record for his own family. His family is told to flee from his home and set up a new righteous society in a promised land. Though Nephi demurs from killing at first, he eventually does, as the Spirit constrains him to, and he leaves an unsolved murder in 600 BC Jerusalem in his trail. Nephi even ends up telling another neighborhood family that the spirit has prompted him/Nephi's father to recruit them for their escape from Jerusalem.

Now most Mormons would, I think, be horrified to think of Chad Daybell's story in relation to Nephi. While we revere Nephi, we don't expect that anyone in our day would be asked to kill in order to follow the promptings of the spirit. We'd be falling over ourselves in an attempt to point out the differences between Nephi and Chad. Nor, I think, would most Mormons be pleased to try to locate Daybell in relation to the Mormon Danites or stories about "lying for the Lord" during the 1800s (in fact, many LDS don't even know these latter two sets of stories, some surely apocryphal, though likely many of the Daybell-interested types do). So my point is that while mainstream Mormonism would absolutely not want to locate Daybell in any sort of sympathetic relationship to these Mormon traditions, these traditions do exist, and Daybell himself and at least some others may be willing to interpret what Daybell's doing through these lenses.

 

[KonaHonu]

The judicial system doesn't operate on hypotheticals.

Right. But it relies on traceable legal authority which does not exist when there is questionable treaty, land title, or similar authority.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I don't believe he is in Hawaii. There would have been evidence of him traveling there with her. LE has repeatedly told us there is no evidence JJ and Tylee have been in Hawaii. But what would make Lori say she was in Hawaii? Or what would make her rush off to Hawaii after unenrolling JJ from school? Was she trying to set up an alibi? I wonder where Alex was while Lori was claiming to be in Hawaii.

MOO.

I would want to know about the timing of the podcast friend's movements. Particularly if this friend had left Idaho on 9/23 or 9/24.

 

[Alohaj]

Hmm...Could JJ maybe be on Maui? Hence the quick trip. There’s still a drop of hope left here.

I think there would be a record of him traveling.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Right. But it relies on traceable legal authority which does not exist when there is questionable treaty or similar authority.

.... I don't have any answer for how profoundly wrong you are about all of that.