Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[KonaHonu]

You may have a point, and maybe I am reading too much into that comment/being overly PC, but I just can't imagine a caring adoptive parent breezily referring to their child as a "drug baby." There can be stigmas attached to labels like that, and it seems the information is unnecessary when introducing your family to the neighbor, IMO.

I think Lori was fed up with her situation. Not a defense of her, just an observation.

 

[KonaHonu]

.... I don't have any answer for how profoundly wrong your are about all of that.

Care to explain?

 

[Tmw821]

Delete if not allowed. I'm not saying it's related to CD or LV but still odd....
Coronavirus: leading Korean health official is member of church at epicentre

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Care to explain?

Not really, I don't need to prove bull. You're the one arguing for legal hypotheticals being a possible thing, not me. Burdens on you.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Kona is on the big island, and it's hard to hide there because it's so agriculture focused. I doubt that the kids are there very strongly.

I thought the only thing growing in Kona was the number of tourists. Isn’t there a volcano (or two) near there? Seems like there is also an Army base somewhere and what about a waterfall in the jungle near Hilo?

 

[Tigerlily75]

I agree. But some people seemed to questioned the truthfulness of the statement. Horrible language but true.

I think you’ll find people are expressing shock at her choice of words, not whether it’s true or not. I don’t know why you feel the need to keep saying “but it’s true”, which, speaking of language choices, sounds a little ninth grade. As though horrible words are ok “as long as they’re true”.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I thought the only thing growing in Kona was the number of tourists. Isn’t there a volcano (or two) near there? Seems like there is also an Army base somewhere and what about a waterfall in the jungle near Hilo?

Kona is a wonderland and I cried when Longboard Legends closed... Best pizza ever...

 

[Alohaj]

Most people haven't heard of gaslighting before. It's coined from an old movie from the 1940's. A good definition can be found here:

A Shrink for Men

This gives a brief example of how this is done.

I went through this, it really messes with your head. This should be illegal, and punishable.

Even years later I still question my own memories. One of the traits of gaslighting, is that it is done over and over again until you start doubting your own reality.

I had to add this image of what I imagine of Lori.

MOO

It is insidious, a good book about this and other narcissist behavior is “ A Wolf
a Sheep’s Clothing”

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Noticed that my last post was missing its final paragraph (and a bit more) somehow and there's no edit option available for some reason (maybe too long?). Anyway, here's (hopefully) the full thing:

I guess one of the things I'm trying to get at with my mini dissertation here, is that while it is indeed is true that most active, mainstream LDS members (and I put myself in this category) are abhorred by many of the things Chad and Lori seem to be teaching and seem to have done, the bright line between what they seem to subscribe to and what the mainstream church teaches is not as easily identifiable as what we LDS members would sometimes like to believe.

For Chad especially (Lori is a little harder to say this about), I think it's easy to see why some (relatively small number of) strongly active/committed LDS members (especially those particularly concerned about the Second Coming and wanting more obviously vibrant forms of spirituality/revelation within their LDS lives) might become interested in his ideas.

If I recall correctly, the podcast that Lori (and perhaps Chad) participated in was named "Warrior Up." This is a phrase that I think virtually all LDS members will recognize as referring to the story of the "2000 Stripling Warriors" in the Book of Mormon. Chad and Lori are by no means the only ones within Mormonism to refer to need for LDS members to become more like these "warriors." The message is regularly given to LDS teenagers. These 2000 stripling warriors were young men, taught the gospel by their parents, who were willing to fight and put their lives on the line to defend their people against an aggressive enemy. Closely connected to this story is the Book of Mormon story of Captain Moroni, who, through the sword, defended faith, family, and land against both external and internal enemies. While Mormons spiritualize these stories these days (the institutional church is not asking for people to be violent in any way), these are still two of the leading stories that Mormons take from the Book of Mormon and try to uphold (in zeal for righteousness) in their own lives. Mainstream Mormonism strongly encourages its members to apply stories from Book of Mormon heroes to members' own lives. We (as members) want to live their lives, in a metaphorical sense, to the appropriate extent possible.

Another leading story exhibiting zeal in righteousness in the Book of Mormon is the story of Nephi. Unfortunately, this, MOO, is even more problematic in regard to what Chad might feel he's doing. Nephi is the first character (and narrator) in the Book of Mormon; almost immediately he tells a story of being told by the spirit to kill an evil person in order to save a sacred record for his own family. His family is told to flee from his home and set up a new righteous society in a promised land. Though Nephi demurs from killing at first, he eventually does, as the Spirit constrains him to, and he leaves an unsolved murder in 600 BC Jerusalem in his trail. Nephi even ends up telling another neighborhood family that the spirit has prompted him/Nephi's father to recruit them for their escape from Jerusalem.

Now most Mormons would, I think, be horrified to think of Chad Daybell's story in relation to Nephi. While we revere Nephi, we don't expect that anyone in our day would be asked to kill in order to follow the promptings of the spirit. We'd be falling over ourselves in an attempt to point out the differences between Nephi and Chad. Nor, I think, would most Mormons be pleased to try to locate Daybell in relation to the Mormon Danites or stories about "lying for the Lord" during the 1800s (in fact, many LDS don't even know these latter two sets of stories, some surely apocryphal, though likely many of the Daybell-interested types do). So my point is that while mainstream Mormonism would absolutely not want to locate Daybell in any sort of sympathetic relationship to these Mormon traditions, these traditions do exist, and Daybell himself and at least some others may be willing to interpret what Daybell's doing through these lenses.

Based on the information you shared, I am now even more concerned that the leader of AVOW, CP, is a Boy Scout leader in Idaho. MOO

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

I would want to know about the timing of the podcast friend's movements. Particularly if this friend had left Idaho on 9/23 or 9/24.

As I recall, correct me if I am wrong, another common denominator (besides participating together in fringe religious activities) is they both parent autistic children. MOO

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Delete if not allowed. I'm not saying it's related to CD or LV but still odd....
Coronavirus: leading Korean health official is member of church at epicentre

Only relation, at first glance... fringe religion+possible pandemic=higher sales for disaster preparedness activities and supplies? Not really being flippant. MOO

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Based on the information you shared, I am now even more concerned that the leader of AVOW, CP, is a Boy Scout leader in Idaho. MOO

He's probably more involved on the financial and tech side of things. CP seems to be pretty good about his media presence. He wants to make money. But he's also kinda dim. We'll see what happens. Baby boomers love to pretend that they have no electronic footprint.

 

[mrjitty]

Oh for the love of... You're not talking about criminal litigation and judicial application of US law in state cases or in federal court with any of those things! The law does not depend on hypotheticals from some dude on Forbes who pointed out the legal equivalent of a "one weird trick" meme...

Unfortunately a theme of websleuths is that as the legal content of the case increases, the same debunked legal theories keep coming around.

When this comes to trial (maybe 2021?) I expect to hear how "there is no evidence" the kids have come to harm.

 

[mrjitty]

If you want your comments seriously considered, you should get verified.

It won't make any difference.

The same Zombie memes tend to keep coming back from drive bys

 

[tresir2012]

I'm not picking on you, just selecting one of many possible posts on the topic to address the question. Where is this source coming from that Chad and Lori are/were sealed in a temple? Or is it just speculation and rumor?

Personally I believe this whole temple thing is way off base and completely the wrong direction to be looking. And as evidence I point simply to their beach wedding - which is on record and we have proof of.

Consider this. If somehow Chad and Lori were able to procure a temple sealing (and it's a huge if, but let's entertain it for a moment), and they truly believed they were now sealed together, then why in the world would they then go and have a beach wedding? It simply wouldn't make sense. No, the fact that they had a beach wedding is evidence that they couldn't and didn't have a temple wedding/sealing prior. And the fact that they've been on Kauai or Maui since their beach wedding is evidence they haven't had a temple sealing since then.

In addition, all photographic evidence depicting her modesty standards suggests Lori is not an endowed member of the Church, or if she is she's not living up to her covenants. Which means she wouldn't be able to enter a temple anyhow. MOO.

It's an unverified source so it is being discussed as opinion. Whether the theory is even possible.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm not picking on you, just selecting one of many possible posts on the topic to address the question. Where is this source coming from that Chad and Lori are/were sealed in a temple? Or is it just speculation and rumor?

Personally I believe this whole temple thing is way off base and completely the wrong direction to be looking. And as evidence I point simply to their beach wedding - which is on record and we have proof of.

Consider this. If somehow Chad and Lori were able to procure a temple sealing (and it's a huge if, but let's entertain it for a moment), and they truly believed they were now sealed together, then why in the world would they then go and have a beach wedding? It simply wouldn't make sense. No, the fact that they had a beach wedding is evidence that they couldn't and didn't have a temple wedding/sealing prior. And the fact that they've been on Kauai or Maui since their beach wedding is evidence they haven't had a temple sealing since then.

In addition, all photographic evidence depicting her modesty standards suggests Lori is not an endowed member of the Church, or if she is she's not living up to her covenants. Which means she wouldn't be able to enter a temple anyhow. MOO.

It's an unverified source so it is being discussed as opinion. Whether the theory is even possible. Whether it took place before Jan 2019 and was the basis for what she said to Charles about being sealed to Moroni.

 

[mrjitty]

Is there a legal reason that Christopher Parrett is able to say that Chad told him "the kids are just fine, alive and well" but that would prevent Chad or Lori saying it themselves?

And I am also totally unable to think of an example of a compelling reason for not showing a dated photo of the children. Anyone have any ideas???

Of course not!

Imagine Chad being "unable to comment" on whether the kids are safe? What the actual?

You've obviously considered the game theory of this. It makes complete sense to say they are safe, and start generating a defence, and positive PR with a trial inbound.

Unless of course, the kids are not safe ...

 

[DoctorAttorney]

Of course not!

Imagine Chad being "unable to comment" on whether the kids are safe? What the actual?

You've obviously considered the game theory of this. It makes complete sense to say they are safe, and start generating a defence, and positive PR with a trial inbound.

Unless of course, the kids are not safe ...

And if they aren't?

It's a weird thing, the kids may be dead or alive. But what does the living give that the dead carry?

 

[mrjitty]

They should not be allowed to profit from any of this. MOO

Oh man where to even start with debunking CP's grifter crap?

First up, nothing is preventing dear Lori & Chad returning to Idaho right now - oh but wait - LV declined to return when ordered by the Court and is opposing her own extradition! Well heavens above!

The idea that dear chad has to wait until Court to tell his side of the story instead of building support for reasonable doubt in the media right now is clearly the dumbest trial strategy ever - its almost as if LV would rather rot in jail than take any basic steps to protect herself because SECRET REASONS

So now Chadders is trying to build himself a defence by getting surrogates to talk nonsense for him, when he could say any of this himself.

This is comically bad ...

 

[mrjitty]

It's a weird thing, the kids may be dead or alive.

personally i wonder if he is going to head in the "Lori told me they were fine" direction

did he every meet them? can it be proven he knew about them?

I am sure counsel for dear chad has been asking him to think deeply on these questions ....