Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[CuriousQuiet1]

Has it been debunked by LE or MSM? I am not aware of that.

I don't agree with that unless there is a LE link that states it has been ruled out.

No LE or MSM has debunked this AFAIK, but Annie, Tylee's aunt, says she had direct communication with the woman and she says:
"This is not credible. She messaged me about it, and I was confident from her descriptions the girl wasn’t Tylee."

Timeline of Events Around the Disappearance of Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow - Annielytics.com

 

[UTMom]

I agree and I am wondering if Tylee has actually gone to college somewhere? Bringing her laundry home sounds like a student to me. Any colleges close to Yellowstone ?

One of the many stories told by LV was that Tylee was going to go to BYU-Idaho which is in Rexburg. If she said she was coming home to do laundry I would assume she lived close so it makes sense. Freshman week, or the week students moved into the dorms would have been that next week after she went missing because school started on 9/16 I believe. Police confirmed she was never enrolled.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

If LE have cellular data from POI phones, there's still a good chance to track movements in YNP.

Cellular Maps.com-Yellowstone Park Cellular Coverage
This image shows results as of 2007 and the study notes improvements in 2018.

I can verify losing signal in the upper left corner between West Yellowstone and Big Sky, MT. That's a bad place for a car breakdown.

When do you start that new job withe the Rexburg PD?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think being on an already dead volcanic island is probably the best place to be when the earthquake hits in July so Lori needs to waive extradition, get a plea deal or produce the kids so they can get back there asap.

The world is NOT going to end for these "leaders:...they will survive and lead the others to survival and new civilization

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Do we know his plans? I did see something indicating he was moving out of the leased townhouse, but does that mean he's leaving Hawaii? Not knowing exactly what their obligation for the TH is and how to end the lease I wondered if possibly he was ending the lease at the end of the month because staying a day past that obligates him to stay (or at least pay) for the entire month. Maybe he's going to move to a hotel nearer the courthouse or something for the few days between then and Lori's court date.

MOO

Maybe he is going to confess and try and get the cell next to Lori's?

 

[Picklepuck]

Agree. Also, the part where the reporter mentioned that CD and LVD lived in Rexburg with Jj and Tylee.

It looks like that reporter did NOT verify her facts before going to print. Colby was born out of the second marriage and adopted by Joseph Ryan. (Most everybody here already knows all of this). And then she was married to CV much longer than “several months”. It’s just a little irritating to see misinformation in these news reports. This isn’t the only one. It’s like the reporters don’t care if they have their facts straight or not. MOO

 

[Anonymous91]

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Lori Vallow will be in #Kauai court tomorrow at 2pm HST for a bond reduction hearing. She is being held on $5 million bond. #azfamily



5:24 PM · Feb 25, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

I thought this was already decided.

Hopefully the Judge decides to increase the Bail amount instead. lol

MOO

 

[squareandrabbet]

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Lori Vallow’s son tells me he is trying to get a hold of his mom. He wants answers. Vallow is in custody at KCCC in Kauai and her extradition hearing is on Monday 3/2. #fox10phoenix



3:27 PM · Feb 25, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

See... now that we heard from the Wheel of Fortune-era lady, I understand and like this even less:

Vallow was very close with her young son Colby, and told Joyce that she had been very much in love with the boy’s father and wanted a life with him, but that the man, whose name Joyce could not remember and who she never met, “did not want that.”

So I guess Lori is not only over Colby, but doesn't even have any self-interested shreds of lingering feelings about or fondness for him for his father's sake, despite being erstwhile-lovesick over said father.

Shows how much being "loved" by this decade's Lori counts for...

 

[tresir2012]

That was Lori's description to the sitter about Tylee, part of the story Lori was telling her about Tylee.

Yes I know. But there is often a little truth amongst the lies and I want to believe the kids are alive so could she be at college somewhere? I hope so.

 

[Leve]

Just a thought, have they searched the cemetery where Chad used to work?

 

[Leve]

Just a thought, have they searched the cemetery where Chad used to work?

 

[jjenny]

Or it wasn't a lump sum. (Has that been ruled out?)

No, we have no clue if it was one payment, or he has it spread over multiple payments. Is it possible for life insurance to be paid in installments?

 

[Teche]

I’m sure LE is a “fly on the wall” during Chad’s visit with Lori.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe he is going to confess and try and get the cell next to Lori's?

He'd have to go for gender change if he wants cell next to Lori's. I don't think it's a coed jail.

 

[tresir2012]

Yes, she is likely going to college near Yellowstone. It never occurred to her to contact any of her relatives such as her brother or aunt to let them know that she is in fact alive. None of her fellow students managed to figure that out either. Does that really sound like a possibility?

Nothing wrong with some hope. I think it is as likely as her Uncle pushing her in a hot pool in Yellowstone. I have even wondered if she was in Canada.

 

[jjenny]

I thought this was already decided.

Hopefully the Judge decides to increase the Bail amount instead. lol

MOO

Yea, how many hearings is she going to have to get the bail reduced?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This thread moves too fast for me!

I'm not as engaged as I'd like to be as I am currently working on a Master's degree full-time in addition to my 9 to 5 and the rest of my chaotic life. If you respond to me and I don't answer...I am not ignoring you! Please message me privately if you would like as those are easier for me to track and respond.

Regarding the iCloud.
No you do not need a physical device to view the contents of the account. You do, however, need a warrant or you risk your evidence and any evidence as a result of that initial evidence being tossed out. Additionally, LE wants the audit log (list of actions taken in an account) to accurately reflect the party the performed the actions. Had they logged in with her password, that would appear to be her action and can introduce reasonable doubt. With a warrant, the company would be served and the actions logged as an administrator from the company who would collect the evidence requested and return it to LE.

It appears to me that she had her photos set to automatically upload to iCloud. Luckily for our law enforcement friends, those images contain meta data, including where the photo was taken. I expect the reason it has not been released is because they know the geographic coordinates and don't want a circus. But also, they want those two to know the family went to Yellowstone, but not disclose everything. Remember, what LE does not disclose is sometimes more important than what they disclose. Personal opinion, the way they're releasing information, it appears they're releasing just enough, then going silent. But they know what they say will make the key players talk or behave a certain way and they are most definitely listening and watching. Further, I believe that Tylee's phone provided data on her movements, which would also lead them to the park. But the photo being in Lori's account prevents the "she ran away to Yellowstone" excuse.

Regarding my research I mentioned about Chad's books.
The records are from a government agency but contains some info that I do not believe is allowed here, so I won't share it until I can obfuscate that info appropriately.

Further on data. I believed, based off personal experience, that it is the key to this entire situation. They've left a data trail a mile wide and that's what catches people. But, I don't think she counted on an arrest whatsoever, as she'd never faced consequences for prior actions. As I said before, people are creatures of habit and will do the same thing the same way. She and Chad are only human, after all, in spite of their potential beliefs to the contrary.

Thank you for your wisdom here. Magnifies what I think we all know, but are just feeling somewhat raw and impatient.............Law Enforcement must have sooooooooooooooooooo much ....and we just must keep waiting for the drips.

Omg I am just realizing that Lori's brother married one of Chad's followers and died two weeks later. Man, this is like a soap opera at this point....

Welcome to the Ferris Wheel--Roller Coaster. ONE ride.

 

[jjenny]

Nothing wrong with some hope. I think it is as likely as her Uncle pushing her in a hot pool in Yellowstone. I have even wondered if she was in Canada.

Like I said before, hope dies last.

 

[303gmf]

I also agree with these points, and would like to add a couple of my own thoughts. There is so much out there in MSM, but the info that is pertinent, IMO, is this "belief system" of theirs, which you mention, and gives major insight into what is going on. (I have added MSM links for reference to where I received my information, see below).

• CD and LVD are "sealed" to each other through some ritualistic meeting, by Moroni. They also believe that they were already married in other lives.

1. Moroni according to the Book of Mormon, was the last Nephite prophet, historian, and military commander who lived in the Americas in the late fourth and early fifth centuries

• CD and LVD are the "Leaders" and are now responsible for gathering the couples for the 144,000.

• They make charts of who the people are and how many probation's they have had and who they have been in past lives. The 12 apostles are also on this list. (Tammy was once on this list and was noted as once being married to John the beloved who was also Enoch).

1. Probation's - definition: previous lives

CD and LVD are "responsible" for deciding if a man and a woman might be destined to be together, even if that person is married to someone else. Like multiple probation's, (this is not a Latter-day Saint belief). Within their circle, this appears to be a predominant issue.

CD teaches that people can essentially be reincarnated and live multiple times — and have multiple probations — on earth. (Reincarnation is not accepted Latter-day Saint doctrine.)

An interesting note ...
CDs autobiography states he does not believe in reincarnation.

“He goes out there, but he doesn’t go that far out,” Bertram said. “He’s making some pretty strong assertions, he just knows that there’s a line and he’s going to stay behind that line.”,

BUT.. LVD, however...
The documents indicate LVD reportedly told her now-deceased husband Charles Vallow she is a “reincarnated God” who would “murder him if he got in the way of her mission.”

1. Starting in February of 2019, Charles Vallow filed for divorce from LVD and requested full custody of JJ. The court filing claims that LVD had "become infatuated and at times obsessive about near-death experiences and spiritual visions."
2. LVD also allegedly told Charles that "she is sealed (eternally married) to the ancient Book of Mormon prophet Moroni and that she has lived numerous lives on numerous planets prior to this current life."
   
3. Weeks before the divorce filing, Charles said LVD told him that "she is a translated being who cannot taste death sent by God to lead the 144,000 into the Millennium.
4. "The divorce documents allege that Lori believed that Jesus Christ's second coming would happen in July 2020 and only 144,000 would live through it.
   
5. Charles also claimed that Lori threatened to kill him if he got in the way of her mission. "I mean imagine what you would do if you had a god speak to you would start feeling a little bit empowered and it looks like that is exactly what happened," Chad Daybell's old missionary friend told Dateline.

At the beginning of CD's autobiography is a dedication to his wife Tammy: “My one and only.”
The autobiography goes on to describe marrying Tammy Daybell at the Manti Temple and working as a grave digger at the same cemetery where she would later be buried.
CD wrote that he believes their five children will have a role to play in the second-coming of Jesus Christ. Many of the characters in his novels are named after his five biological children. This info found shows why his children support him and why they are all still alive.


So it is obvious, that early on, the two shared different core beliefs, this has changed. We see the change in CD after becoming closer to LVD. remember, he had one wife for 30 years. LVD on the other hand, who at 46 years old, has 4 husbands before CD.

The following bits of info, I believe are very important, imo

• Zombie - CD believes that a person's spirit can be hijacked by an evil spirit. Then the spirit is in limbo.

1. CD told LVD that Charles Vallow became Ned Snyder and has now become a zombie, his spirit has been hijacked by an evil spirit. His actual spirit is now in limbo. (Ned Snyder?)

• CD tells Alex that he was an angel that had come and stopped Laman and Lemuel from hurting Nephi and was now Lori's protector.

1. Laman and Lemuel are the two eldest sons of Lehi and the older brothers of Sam, Nephi, Jacob and Joseph.
   
2. Nephi is one of the central figures described in the Book of Mormon. He was the son of Lehi, a propeht, founder of the Nephite people

• Alex becomes the "hitman" This is immediately before Charles untimely death.

• Tammy becomes suspicious of CD and LVD's relationship (aware they are taking trips together) and voices this suspicion so,

1. CD tells LVD that Tammy has become a Zombie. Her spirit has been hijacked. This is before Tammy's untimely death.

• Then at some point CD declares Alex, Tylee and Kay are all Zombies.

1. Tylee disappears,
   
2. JJ disappears
   
3. Alex dies,
   
4. Kay however is still alive.

Recap of their beliefs, imo...

If we take these beliefs, and try to sort them out...
1. You are like/a God.
2. You create the chart of chosen people
3. You decide who should be married
4. You then declare the other spouse/children a zombie
5. Once they are declared... their life no longer matters because their actual spirits are in limbo
5. You then file to receive their life insurance $ (because human greed always has a part to play)
6. The cycle continues.


I write all of this to say.....IMO, killing someone who has become a "Zombie" is not a problem, if your core beliefs are these described above. You are above human/earthly laws and you will be reincarnated anyway. "Death is a non-issue" Which can explain CD and LVD's arrogance and non emotion in regard to any of the missing or those that are deceased. "Their end, justifies their means" Again, all IMO.

I would like to add this scripture, not from the Book of Mormon, but the Bible.

1 John 2:15-16 - Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, because all that is in the world is the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance produced by material possessions.

Obviously, the core beliefs of this family are off the beaten path, but it is these basic scriptural principles that humans generally struggle with and are the root causes of many bad choices and lifelong problems. IMO





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Thank you for such an informative and deep dive, it’s head spinning cray cray at that!

 

[Alpha Bravo]

So if you get to the gate after it is "closed" it isn't really closed, but you won't get stopped to pay? I guess I've never thought about this. If they don't have someone stationed at the gate 24 hours a day (which seems to be a waste) and they don't have a gate blocking the road in both directions (which would be an issue because it would prevent people from leaving past a certain hour) then there really is no way they'd be able to prevent someone from "sneaking" in through the gates in off hours.

Exactly. Not only experienced that at Yellowstone, but many times at Zion. When I visit I often drive all the way through and see the Buffalo ranch, often see more deer, turkey, and often the Buffalo. Maybe eat at the restaurant there. On the return, it's usually closed and we just drive on through. That said, we have two passes and don't generally pay at any of the parks for a one time fee. But anyone can cruise through either direction.