Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #21

[nhmemorymaker]

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This is good! I looked up Marcus Moore...He used to play professional baseball for the Colorado Rockies. They are the same age. Hilarious comparison Baseball star successful national reporter and a dipweed "Cult Leader Self Proclaimed Prophet in the Last Days" MOO

Did Lori know Chad's family before Tammy died.

We don't have any facts on this question. Many of us (me included) think Chad and Lori were possibly together in 2018. (BB referenced that his wife and her aunt were into weird stuff for over 18 months). I have kept wondering how often Tammy went to events with Chad--but

I was actually thinking that they might put her on a AMC (Air Mobility Command) flight. AMC is kind of like a military airline. It also operates Air Force One and lots of smaller private VIP aircraft. There is a unit at Joint Base Pearl Harbor Hickam. Wouldn't surprise me at all to hear that they actually operate the JPATS flights. Hard to believe there would otherwise be enough demand to move federal prisoners between the mainland and Hawaii. It would be cheaper to put her on a USAF Learjet.

Also note that Hawaii houses a lot of its prison population in Arizona and elsewhere on the mainland so there must be some regular system in place to transport them even if is not JPATS

Thats interesting. Why in Arizona, and not in HI? And why Arizona?

 

[fred&edna]

Judges cannot infer from the arrestee’s criminal indictment alone a need for bail in an unusually high amount, such as in Sakamoto, where bail was set at $300,000 because of the arrestee’s murder charge. Such acts are deemed arbitrary."

BBM

In summary, even $300,000 has been deemed by the Hawaii Supreme Court to be excessive even for a murder charge in Hawaii.

RSBM

Thank you for legal info! So, judges cannot infer the arrestee's criminal indictment alone but yet judges would have to be required to consider the seriousness of the alleged crimes when determining bail, or no?? What else does a judge use in addition to the indictment to determine this? Sorry if this is a silly question but I'm willing to risk it

 

[Anonymous91]

I'd like to think the judge is aware of a lot of details about the case that we as the public are not privy too. The current charges are serious enough to hold her. Since it's common knowledge the bail will likely be reduced in ID, and it appears she will be extradited very soon, I don't see it being dropped a dime.

I would add that the Judge is very aware of how the locals feel about this also.

On the one hand, the whole world is watching. On the other hand, the judge is going to be judged by the locals based on her decision too. MOO

 

[LeBlack]

Did Lori know Chad's family before Tammy died.

Yes.

 

[BigAl16]

Oh, woah! I guess I didn't know Ted Bundy was Mormon. He was also very handsome. It is really curious to me how it is human nature to 'judge' people by their looks in terms of whether or not they are a good human being. I guess it is because a person can relate if the other person reminds them of themselves, their family or their friends. It was certainly that case with Ted and perhaps with Lori as well. How often is it said 'they just seemed perfectly normal'. It is a scary reminder for all of us. And maybe I do this more than most.

To be fair, he converted to Mormonism after moving to Utah (I believe he was going to law school at the University of Utah). As someone else said, he was a member for a short time and was excommunicated immediately after his first conviction. At least that's what has been reported and it makes sense. However, he had people fooled and I've read that he got a lot of support, possibly even an attempt to raise bail money after his initial arrest, from his ward. There was a period (Ted Bundy through Mark Hoffman) when things were strange and sometimes a bit on edge living in Utah.

MOO

ETA: And forgot to point out that he was a serial killer well before he arrived in Utah, but I'd bet his conversion was to help blend in.

 

[LeBlack]

To be clear, LE hasn't said that they saw them leave without Tylee. They said only that Tylee hasn't been seen since. That could mean that they don't have a camera that caught them leaving Yellowstone or whatever picture they got wasn't sufficient for them to see everyone in the car, so they don't know. We've theorized that she might not have left Yellowstone since it apparently can't be proven for sure one way or another. MOO

They probably don't have her on video returning with everyone else (on the doorbell vid) or after that point her phone was ALWAYS with Lori/Lori's phone?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Oh, woah! I guess I didn't know Ted Bundy was Mormon. He was also very handsome. It is really curious to me how it is human nature to 'judge' people by their looks in terms of whether or not they are a good human being. I guess it is because a person can relate if the other person reminds them of themselves, their family or their friends. It was certainly that case with Ted and perhaps with Lori as well. How often is it said 'they just seemed perfectly normal'. It is a scary reminder for all of us. And maybe I do this more than most.

I didn't either. Wow.. but he was very mainstream, is that correct.

 

[10ofRods]

RSBM

Thank you for legal info! So, judges cannot infer the arrestee's criminal indictment alone but yet judges would have to be required to consider the seriousness of the alleged crimes when determining bail, or no?? What else does a judge use in addition to the indictment to determine this? Sorry if this is a silly question but I'm willing to risk it

Things like "ignoring the Court's orders" weigh very heavily.

Flight risk (has left state knowingly to avoid appearing in court and complying with court order)

Possibility of hidden funds or associates to aid in escaping justice

Whether others would be endangered by allowing the person out of jail

And obviously, the overall seriousness of the crime (there's ongoing child endangerment).

 

[securitynerd]

We don't know they have absconded. Lori was not charged until she was already in Hawaii.
I doubt they bought tickets to Mexico because...no passport.

A least in Hawaii bail can only be set to ensure appearance at trial. While your statement that "the high bail just ensures incarceration until extradition" is absolutely correct, that is not a lawful reason to set bail high in Hawaii.

But she does have a passport, albeit expired. They also have the funds to travel to a passport office for an expedited renewal.

Her lawyer stated she didn't have a passport. He didn't say she has one but it is expired. Looks bad for her, IMO.

 

[BigAl16]

They probably don't have her on video returning with everyone else (on the doorbell vid) or after that point her phone was ALWAYS with Lori/Lori's phone?

They wouldn't have anyone returning on the doorbell video. As for Tylee's phone always being with Lori. possibly. Or at least not moving in a way that they could know for sure it was Tylee.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

To be fair, he converted to Mormonism after moving to Utah (I believe he was going to law school at the University of Utah). As someone else said, he was a member for a short time and was excommunicated immediately after his first conviction. At least that's what has been reported and it makes sense. However, he had people fooled and I've read that he got a lot of support, possibly even an attempt to raise bail money after his initial arrest, from his ward. There was a period (Ted Bundy through Mark Hoffman) when things were strange and sometimes a bit on edge living in Utah.

MOO

ETA: And forgot to point out that he was a serial killer well before he arrived in Utah, but I'd bet his conversion was to help blend in.

Oh well.....that is a very different story, and an interesting one!

 

[OGDiva]

Yes.

WOW, WOW, WOW!!!! I didn't know that. Who did they think she was? I'm sure Chad didn't introduce her as his wife from a previous life. I am curious who Tammy or their kids thought she was. Assuming that if his parents knew the rest of his family would know her as well. MOO
Edited to include: the Yes from LeBlack that Lori knew Chad's family before Tammy died.

 

[swedeheart]

Oh well.....that is a very different story, and an interesting one!

if anyone comes across a link of the livestream that works in europe, hook us up!

it's in a half hour, right?

 

[indicolite22]

They probably don't have her on video returning with everyone else (on the doorbell vid) or after that point her phone was ALWAYS with Lori/Lori's phone?

If they entered the house through the garage, they would not have been seen on the doorbell video.

 

[fred&edna]

Things like "ignoring the Court's orders" weigh very heavily.

Flight risk (has left state knowingly to avoid appearing in court and complying with court order)

Possibility of hidden funds or associates to aid in escaping justice

Whether others would be endangered by allowing the person out of jail

And obviously, the overall seriousness of the crime (there's ongoing child endangerment).

And, the fact she has no current employment history in Hawaii, nor any property ownership in Hawaii, and no family in Hawaii (except for commitment-ceremony-Chad)... don't bode well for bail reduction either, I assume

 

[nhmemorymaker]

But she does have a passport, albeit expired. They also have the funds to travel to a passport office for an expedited renewal.

Her lawyer stated she didn't have a passport. He didn't say she has one but it is expired. Looks bad for her, IMO.

What are the restrictions for even getting a passport at this time. Restricted because IN prison? Restricted because of CHARGES? Or no restrictions. No restriction on Chad however, correct? Is there any way LE could still prevent Chad from travelling out of country even with no charges against him. (btw... I still wondered if she did have a renewed passport under Lori Ryan or Lori Daybell, but chose to state she didn't have once, since she is being addressed as Lori Vallow

 

[Tortoise]

if anyone comes across a link of the livestream that works in europe, hook us up!

it's in a half hour, right?

I think it's in just under 2.5 hours from now

 

[KonaHonu]

Right about now, the Landlord is thinking, "I knew I should have charged them more. This extra paperwork and stress isn't worth it." MOO

I found myself wondering if the landlord will comply. He lives in Texas so the Idaho warrant is not binding on him. I would comply personally because I would want to help get her convicted. But I have reason to believe that the owners are not paying their Hawaii general excise and transient accommodation taxes so complying could get them in trouble in Hawaii. My conclusion about taxes is based on looking at the VRBO ad while it was still up, noting the tax license number they list and looking up the number, which does not exist!

 

[Gardener1850]

Serious question.

Is Character profiling used at court? Would it have any merit?

Um.. can you rephrase that? I don't understand your question in regards to the post you quoted. Do you mean character witnesses for the suspect (Lori)?

 

[indicolite22]

Yes.

Source? (for Lori knowing Chad's family before Tammy's death)