Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #21

[Busymom4]

We all know how these sources keep quoting that the foundation of this case is a custody battle and most people have come to the logical conclusion that there was no custody issue until the children were missing and Kay and Larry filed for custody of Jj. We keep hearing about this custody issue through these other sources, including when Chad said today it will be sorted out when it goes through the court process. It prompts me to believe that they've been able to convince friends and family of this perceived issue that in turn validates their reasons not to produce the children. I wonder if they've convinced so many family/friends that they now believe this to be their own truth! Im not sure of the exact diagnosis but I have met a few people in my life that live their life like this. They tell a story and it grows and grows from person to person that it creates its own life and it's own truth, that they start to believe and recite as holy truth because they've not only convinced others but themselves!

 

[yawningreyhound]

She still has sparkly blue polish on her toenails.

Kinda looks like she's going toward dreads, too. Must be difficult to comb those extensions in jail.

 

[Alohaj]

visions of her size 15 slides and ragged locks being broadcast across the nation. haha.

Hilarious

 

[Anonymous91]

I noticed that too! It was kind of creepy how the camera kept focusing on her feet....

If this is ever made into a movie they have to make sure to get this detail added to the movie, for the creep factor alone. MOO

 

[BluebirdFla]

Regarding her hair, can any women please comment if she’s wearing extensions? To me it looks like it, especially at the front. I also noticed it on the dateline episode.

In my opinion no extensions. And the reason her hair may be brassy yellow is really bad jail shampoo or hair soap and dyed\bleached hair don’t go well together.

MOO

 

[Mentalheadslap2018]

Posted earlier but with no explanation, sorry. Chad had a one hour visit with Lori at the jail yesterday. Here is a statement from HI Department of Public Safety on the matter.

 

[NvrEndgStry]

@Alohaj
I think we might be talking about two different videos- this is the one from this morning.
Twitter

I just watched it this morning- thought it was today. However, he wasn’t in court today. I went out of my way to watch for him, too. I try to look for something/anything in his facial expressions.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Poor guy's gonna get hounded now... "Look, I'm not Chad Daybell! Leave me alone!" "Sure, CHAD. Where are the kids?!"

I feel so awful!

He didn't happen to indicate on the marriage license that he intends to change his name to Chad Cox, did he?

If that's going to be her defense, unless she can time travel, giving possible consequences of her failure to comply with a court order as the reason she did not comply with the court order in the first place doesn't even make sense.

Is this the plot for that as-yet unmade screen hit, Minority Report 2: Post-Crime, the one starring Lori Daybell as the post-cog who gives criminals their defense before the crime is even committed?

 

[Busymom4]

I’m pretty sure they let you wear your own shoes in HI jail, as long as they don’t have anything metal or that could be turned into a weapon, so plastic or rubber makes perfect sense. They looked huge on her feet (although I thought they look like Nike type slides), Which would be easily explained if someone else bought them for her and didn’t know what size to buy (like perhaps CD)

I had no idea they let you wear your own shoes, here in Canada they give you an entire outfit from what I understand....

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Friends and acquaintances are going to be a mixed bag. There are some who just don't care (I know... really!). There will be some who will want to ask questions. There are some who will want to just stay away from him because of the media circus attached. The family (Tammy's kids) will be very receptive to his being back and supportive.

ETA: I'll be very, very surprised if he goes back to the home in Salem for very long if any time at all.

I hope the evidence comes out strong enough that there will be no question which side of this horrible story people stand behind with 2 kids missing . MOO

 

[Trask]

Dang! I really wanted to be Mrs America. My dreams are shattered.

Take comfort. Her taste in beachwear has really gone downhill since she got married.

 

[funeralpotatoes]

WHERE are the Children???
Poster just seen in Princeville

 

[Anonymous91]

We all know how these sources keep quoting that the foundation of this case is a custody battle and most people have come to the logical conclusion that there was no custody issue until the children were missing and Kay and Larry filed for custody of Jj. We keep hearing about this custody issue through these other sources, including when Chad said today it will be sorted out when it goes through the court process. It prompts me to believe that they've been able to convince friends and family of this perceived issue that in turn validates their reasons not to produce the children. I wonder if they've convinced so many family/friends that they now believe this to be their own truth! Im not sure of the exact diagnosis but I have met a few people in my life that live their life like this. They tell a story and it grows and grows from person to person that it creates its own life and it's own truth, that they start to believe and recite as holy truth because they've not only convinced others but themselves!

Narcissists are famous for this. Well some are.

MOO

 

[Ohmeohmy]

I thought it was very funny that the judge started by reading off all the media permissions she had given. Miss Daybell Texas was probably having heart palpitations and visions of her size 15 slides and ragged locks being broadcast across the nation. haha.

I totally just busted up. We are on a roll knowing this woman is going to Idaho where as we speak it is 27 degrees with a low of 8...per me asking my Alexa MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I had no idea they let you wear your own shoes, here in Canada they give you an entire outfit from what I understand....

Same here, I thought US prison attire was all state-issued clothing and shoes.

 

[Colorado303]

Quite possible but I keep going back too if the children are alive why not give LE proof and make all this go away? The public does not need to know their location, the grandparents were not seeking custody until JJ’s where about became a mystery. It is not illegal to not be with your children if they are still being properly cared for so why not cooperate ?

I really don’t think JJ is alive but the unidentified out of town visitor gave me back a sliver of hope. Alive or dead, I can’t make sense of their actions.

To your point, if the kids are alive why not provide proof of life without disclosing their location. And if they aren’t alive why not do a better job of fleeing and hiding?

Let’s say Chad’s buddy is right—Chad really is writing a book about all this and is convinced they’ll be exonerated when the truth comes out. There’s no scenario involving dead kids which could make their lack of cooperation w/LE OK. Is he too deluded to realize that?

So if there’s a book and he’s even partially in touch w/reality then there’s still a chance the kids are alive. And the people who’ve believed it’s all a stunt to sell books or attract followers may have been right all along.

I’ve been convinced they’re dead for weeks now. Once again I’m not so certain. There are so many pieces to this case and no theory makes all of them fit. Like two or three different jigsaw puzzles have been dumped in a single pile.

 

[Angleterre]

Campizi67 said: ↑
I also agree with these points, and would like to add a couple of my own thoughts. There is so much out there in MSM, but the info that is pertinent, IMO, is this "belief system" of theirs, which you mention, and gives major insight into what is going on. (I have added MSM links for reference to where I received my information, see below).

• CD and LVD are "sealed" to each other through some ritualistic meeting, by Moroni. They also believe that they were already married in other lives.

1. Moroni according to the Book of Mormon, was the last Nephite prophet, historian, and military commander who lived in the Americas in the late fourth and early fifth centuries

• CD and LVD are the "Leaders" and are now responsible for gathering the couples for the 144,000.

• They make charts of who the people are and how many probation's they have had and who they have been in past lives. The 12 apostles are also on this list. (Tammy was once on this list and was noted as once being married to John the beloved who was also Enoch).

1. Probation's - definition: previous lives

CD and LVD are "responsible" for deciding if a man and a woman might be destined to be together, even if that person is married to someone else. Like multiple probation's, (this is not a Latter-day Saint belief). Within their circle, this appears to be a predominant issue.

CD teaches that people can essentially be reincarnated and live multiple times — and have multiple probations — on earth. (Reincarnation is not accepted Latter-day Saint doctrine.)

An interesting note ...
CDs autobiography states he does not believe in reincarnation.

“He goes out there, but he doesn’t go that far out,” Bertram said. “He’s making some pretty strong assertions, he just knows that there’s a line and he’s going to stay behind that line.”,

BUT.. LVD, however...
The documents indicate LVD reportedly told her now-deceased husband Charles Vallow she is a “reincarnated God” who would “murder him if he got in the way of her mission.”

1. Starting in February of 2019, Charles Vallow filed for divorce from LVD and requested full custody of JJ. The court filing claims that LVD had "become infatuated and at times obsessive about near-death experiences and spiritual visions."
2. LVD also allegedly told Charles that "she is sealed (eternally married) to the ancient Book of Mormon prophet Moroni and that she has lived numerous lives on numerous planets prior to this current life."
   
3. Weeks before the divorce filing, Charles said LVD told him that "she is a translated being who cannot taste death sent by God to lead the 144,000 into the Millennium.
4. "The divorce documents allege that Lori believed that Jesus Christ's second coming would happen in July 2020 and only 144,000 would live through it.
   
5. Charles also claimed that Lori threatened to kill him if he got in the way of her mission. "I mean imagine what you would do if you had a god speak to you would start feeling a little bit empowered and it looks like that is exactly what happened," Chad Daybell's old missionary friend told Dateline.

At the beginning of CD's autobiography is a dedication to his wife Tammy: “My one and only.”
The autobiography goes on to describe marrying Tammy Daybell at the Manti Temple and working as a grave digger at the same cemetery where she would later be buried.
CD wrote that he believes their five children will have a role to play in the second-coming of Jesus Christ. Many of the characters in his novels are named after his five biological children. This info found shows why his children support him and why they are all still alive.


So it is obvious, that early on, the two shared different core beliefs, this has changed. We see the change in CD after becoming closer to LVD. remember, he had one wife for 30 years. LVD on the other hand, who at 46 years old, has 4 husbands before CD.

The following bits of info, I believe are very important, imo

• Zombie - CD believes that a person's spirit can be hijacked by an evil spirit. Then the spirit is in limbo.

1. CD told LVD that Charles Vallow became Ned Snyder and has now become a zombie, his spirit has been hijacked by an evil spirit. His actual spirit is now in limbo. (Ned Snyder?)

• CD tells Alex that he was an angel that had come and stopped Laman and Lemuel from hurting Nephi and was now Lori's protector.

1. Laman and Lemuel are the two eldest sons of Lehi and the older brothers of Sam, Nephi, Jacob and Joseph.
   
2. Nephi is one of the central figures described in the Book of Mormon. He was the son of Lehi, a propeht, founder of the Nephite people

• Alex becomes the "hitman" This is immediately before Charles untimely death.

• Tammy becomes suspicious of CD and LVD's relationship (aware they are taking trips together) and voices this suspicion so,

1. CD tells LVD that Tammy has become a Zombie. Her spirit has been hijacked. This is before Tammy's untimely death.

• Then at some point CD declares Alex, Tylee and Kay are all Zombies.

1. Tylee disappears,
   
2. JJ disappears
   
3. Alex dies,
   
4. Kay however is still alive.

Recap of their beliefs, imo...

If we take these beliefs, and try to sort them out...
1. You are like/a God.
2. You create the chart of chosen people
3. You decide who should be married
4. You then declare the other spouse/children a zombie
5. Once they are declared... their life no longer matters because their actual spirits are in limbo
5. You then file to receive their life insurance $ (because human greed always has a part to play)
6. The cycle continues.


I write all of this to say.....IMO, killing someone who has become a "Zombie" is not a problem, if your core beliefs are these described above. You are above human/earthly laws and you will be reincarnated anyway. "Death is a non-issue" Which can explain CD and LVD's arrogance and non emotion in regard to any of the missing or those that are deceased. "Their end, justifies their means" Again, all IMO.

I would like to add this scripture, not from the Book of Mormon, but the Bible.

1 John 2:15-16 - Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him, because all that is in the world is the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance produced by material possessions.

Obviously, the core beliefs of this family are off the beaten path, but it is these basic scriptural principles that humans generally struggle with and are the root causes of many bad choices and lifelong problems. IMO





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Moroni (Book of Mormon prophet) - Wikipedia

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Laman and Lemuel - Wikipedia

Nephi, son of Lehi - Wikipedia

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH @Campizi67 this is so very helpful to me personally. I have been hospitalised so I am now a thread behind but I couldn’t scroll on by without mentioning this post . Thank you

 

[fred&edna]

Take comfort. Her taste in beachwear has really gone downhill since she got married.

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Hahahha! Ain't that the truth!

'Wonder if there's a Ms Inmate-For-Life contest?

 

[PJFL]

@Alohaj
I think we might be talking about two different videos- this is the one from this morning.
Twitter

You and @Alohaj are both right. The interview and photos were on Monday. I posted the video of that interview this morning [Wednesday].

 

[LeBlack]

I had no idea they let you wear your own shoes, here in Canada they give you an entire outfit from what I understand....

Jail is different than state or federal prison. Rules may vary from state to state. My state prisons have 3 shoes available, shower shoes (basically slides or flipflops), slip on shoes, and sneakers (I believe they are velco close) They have military type rules for their uniforms, shaving, and hair. (Prison - after conviction)