Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

[Dontknow?]

Yes we covered that a while back. Extradition between states is in the US Constitution.

On a somewhat related note, the US refused to extradite a guy in Honolulu to Tonga in the last couple of weeks even though we have an extradition treaty with Tonga. He is accused of murdering his wife and the reason the US refused to extradite is because he would have to pay for his own lawyer in Tonga.

Just so everyone is clear, Hawaii doesn't stop extraditions to any other US states for life or death sentences. Right? Because so many kept saying HI wouldn't extradite The countries of Mexico and Canada do among others. HI won't extradite misdemeanors and don't know of any US states that would either. jmo or I'm totally wrong. Extraditing means paying for it and to the place holding the person means who pays for the trip? A Felony charge. The state wanting them usually pays. Warrant is issued.

 

[josephinemarch]

I think he was hoping no one would notice him moving out at that time because all the reporters would be at Lori's hearing. It didn't work, of course. Nice try, Chad!

In other news, Daily Mail got video Chad walking into the KCCC to visit Lori (on Tuesday I think?) then they followed him as he drove to Walmart. When he came out of Walmart they tried asking him questions. He was apparently so flustered by the reporter following him that he couldn't find his car in the parking lot. Then he laughed when he found it: Lori Vallow's husband is seen leaving jail as it's revealed he and dead spouse filed for bankruptcy | Daily Mail Online

I think Chad is going to spill the whole story to someone soon. He seems to be cracking under the pressure.

MOO.

Yes. I agree. Let’s imagine that Chad were a “normal”, innocent person, who just lost two spouses in 4 months (in this case, one to death, one to jail). I would fathom they would be destroyed inside. Destroyed. Mourning, barely able to get out of bed.

I feel like CD’s arrest is imminent, because imo he has obviously done and witnessed some shady stuff. I’m just befuddled how he appears so “collected.” Either 1) it’s a defense mechanism, numbly carrying on, going home, donating things, focusing on his white paper, because right now it’s just about survival; or 2) he truly has confidence that things will turn out just fine because of his revelations, beliefs, and general disillusionment.

Moo

 

[Picklepuck]

That cop cleaning up under CV should be investigated by IA, imo.[/QUOTE]
100% agree.

 

[utahobserver]

What a circus. MBP, IP and ZP. What is going on with these people?

Melani Pawlowski came to court with her aunt Summer, Zulema Pastenes (widow of Alex Cox) and her husband Ian.
Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

 

[Christ is Truth]

Warning. I'm a bit numb still, but I need to share this. There's a reason, keep reading.

I found my elderly next door neighbor dead about 2.5 hours ago. Called 911, the whole natural death scenario. Tip: don't touch anything if you find your neighbor deceased, and have ID ready. You can touch stuff after the coroner declares natural death. Have your ID ready. They need your statement and they will check you out with dispatch.

So. All family is far away. Since I obviously knew her, the police came over afterwards. Here's the important point:

He told me there were body fluids in the house and NONE OF THEM (emts, police, coroner) are allowed to clean at a scene. Guess who cleaned it up? Yes, I followed protocol. I had a nurse help me. No way was i leaving that for the family to walk into.

Remember that cop cleaning up under CV?

Jmo food for thought.

Wow. So sorry for you and your neighbor!! Sending hugs!
But on the flip side of that, that is very interesting. So just why DID this officer clean up?

 

[Dontknow?]

That cop cleaning up under CV should be investigated by IA, imo.

Do or can you show me document about the cop cleaning blood up? Thank you.

 

[Drc40]

Chads email address was revealed on Nate Eatons Facebook page. I know this is petty but I’m about to start my bombing run. 3...2...1...

 

[josephinemarch]

How and when will Lori Vallow, mother of two missing Rexburg kids, return to Idaho?

Sgt Payne says of her flight back,
“...that would mean having her dress in her plain clothes, not a jail uniform of any kind, generally speaking we board first, a seat at the back of the plane, those types of things.”

“As of Wednesday afternoon, the Madison County Sheriff's Office didn't have any specifics for which flight or path Vallow would be on, but they say that information must be kept private. However, they did reveal that typically in these types of scenarios, they’re looking for the most direct route, with the least amount of layovers.”

I’m quite positive she won’t get all the way across the pacific, from the SLC or Boise airport (if lucky, the Idaho falls airport), and north up highway 20 all the way to Rexburg without one person noticing. Whenever she comes back, the powers of the concerned public, the coconut wireless and the media will unite and the world will probably know. I could be wrong, and it would certainly be “safer” if she is brought back undetected.
Moo

 

[DoctorAttorney]

What a circus. MBP, IP and ZP. What is going on with these people?

Melani Pawlowski came to court with her aunt Summer, Zulema Pastenes (widow of Alex Cox) and her husband Ian.
Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

Maybe it's all very good LARPing of the super stupid The Wicker Man remake with Nic Cage from 2006. You got a bunch of blonde broads who are members of a mysterious cult luring very dumb men into odd sex and murder games that may or may not lead to dead kids at any moment.

All we need is the bees....

 

[KonaHonu]

So he's fine chatting about things with random strangers now? Lori - be worried, you're losing that tight grip

I dunno, from the way Lori looks now, just about any woman is hotter. Just sayin'

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I still don't understand why income from 2008 is relevant in 2020. If it was in the last couple of years, I could see it... but a dozen years ago is irrelevant, imo. (Heck, I personally made 5x more last year than I did in 2008.)

Chad made 10x. 430k in life insurance money!

 

[Jethro4WS]

Niece of Lori Vallow appears in Mesa Courtroom
Interesting, that according to this article and a Google search, the attorney MBP had representing her today is a criminal defense lawyer, from a firm of criminal defense lawyers. Unusual choice for a family court matter, wouldn't you say?

From the article ...

During the confrontation, lawyer Stephen Zachary said they are going to give "full respects to the judge", and that they will give a full presentation "once the judge gets done".
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Stephen Zachary, the listed counsel in the divorce case for MBP) is a divorce attorney from a different firm than the criminal defense lawyer firm (Robert Jarvis' firm). The use of the criminal defense lawyer is connected to MBP speaking with FBI 3 times.

So, there are two separate and distinct things going on here.

 

[utahobserver]

What a circus. MBP, IP and ZP. What is going on with these people?

Melani Pawlowski came to court with her aunt Summer, Zulema Pastenes (widow of Alex Cox) and her husband Ian.
Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

Maybe it's all very good LARPing of the super stupid The Wicker Man remake with Nic Cage from 2006. You got a bunch of blonde broads who are members of a mysterious cult luring very dumb men into odd sex and murder games that may or may not lead to dead kids at any moment.

All we need is the bees....

Nic Cage could play Chad in the inevitable movie in our future. Wonder if Chad shares this vision

 

[DoctorAttorney]

I dunno, from the way Lori looks now, just about any woman is hotter. Just sayin'

Neat.

 

[KonaHonu]

The bk article on Chad is valuable in showing his income or rather the lack of it. Some people posted he was making 30k a month, it’s obviously not the case.

The bankruptcy was in 2008 (I think). Lots of people were hard up then and no one was buying books. Plus his popularity seems to be more recent. I don't think he makes much money but I found that bankruptcy information back in December and January and concluded it was irrelevant.

 

[tealrose]

We know he is hiding HIS children. I'm saying what if he was worried about Lori's as well and went up and took them. That would be kidnapping and a serious crime. But it would also explain where they are and why no one is talking. If I had reason to believe my relative might kill her kids because they were the only remaining witnesses to a murder that my relative committed, I think I would take them for their own safety and hope for leniency at any future sentencing.

That would require the kids, or at least Tylee, to be on board with it.
And it would make a hell of a lot more sense in that case for them to report it, not hide and hope it goes away.

Chads email address was revealed on Nate Eatons Facebook page. I know this is petty but I’m about to start my bombing run. 3...2...1...

It's been available on his website contact page this entire time...?

 

[DoctorAttorney]

What a circus. MBP, IP and ZP. What is going on with these people?

Melani Pawlowski came to court with her aunt Summer, Zulema Pastenes (widow of Alex Cox) and her husband Ian.
Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter
Nic Cage could play Chad in the inevitable movie in our future. Wonder if Chad shares this vision

Chad did indeed run out on that one director working with him on turning his books into movies during this whole event...

 

[Christ is Truth]

Stephen Zachary tells Justin Lum that Alex has been confirmed as the person at the storage unit. I’m paraphrasing the conversation...
“By whom?” Justin asks.
“By somebody who has known Alex for thirty years.”
“And that would be...?”
The lawyer answers, “Melani.”

Hmmm...somehow that doesn’t pass the sniff test. Does he think the public is stupid?! SMH MOO

ETA the link. It’s the most recent video on his page...at the 2 min mark. You can hear how he doesn’t believe his own boloney.
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

 

[Whaddayano]

I've been wondering... is the group still unmentionable, after Nate's extensive article?

i must defer to longtime members who will know better. i got busted before for bringing up stuff that wasnt yet ok'd for discussion here

but reading that article again now some things stood out about how commonly mentioned all this spouse dropping & swapping seems to be. and that really underlines a growing concern i just cant escape that even more children may be at risk. i desperately want to know what The Group (or Groups') beliefs are about children!

 

[Snoods]

@Gardener1850 This is in response to your post a thread back about Lori first trying to sell JJ’s service dog for $2,500 before begrudgingly giving it back to the trainer after she didn’t have any bites.

What kind of mother would abruptly get rid of their child’s service dog? To me that just screams evidence of guilt. For what reason would JJ suddenly not require a service dog any longer, hmm?

Her trying to sell Bailey first is just SO Lori. She no doubt signed a contract stating she would return Bailey if they couldn’t keep him, but hey, cha ching, right?

I work at an animal shelter and also foster dogs and we require adopters to sign a contract stating they will return the dog if unable to keep it. Once we had a sheriff seize a pit bull when we found out an adopter was trying to sell her. We don’t fool around, and I’m confident the trainer that put their blood, sweat and tears into training and placing Bailey doesn’t either. I bet she was pizzed.