Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

[lacegrl130]

"One of her attorneys", how many does she have and WHO is paying those bills?

That $158000 is going to go fast!

 

[Sticksandspades]

Not to mention Melani just went on with her life like nothing happened. She isn’t acting like someone who “wants nothing more than to know where the kids are”. Sheesh what BS.

 

[lacegrl130]

"One of her attorneys", how many does she have and WHO is paying those bills?

That $158000 is going to go fast!

This case has disturbing parallels to the Jacqueline Bouknight case in which a mother refused to disclose what happened to her children. She was jailed for 7 years and finally released without ever providing meaningful information as to her son's whereabouts. In the Bouknight case she claimed to have given the boy to relatives or friends to block the state from putting him with a foster family. Lori's attorney has made the same argument now, saying she did not comply with the Idaho court's order because it would have allowed the state to put her children in foster care. I find myself looking for reassurance that this case will not end in the same stalemate as Bouknight and I come up with the following: 1) There is a very good chance that pressure applied to Chad may cause him to crack. I would think there's a decent chance he could be charged with a conspiracy count alleging he conspired with Lori with respect to the kids; 2) Obviously, all the strange deaths represent a significant difference in this case and one or more charges may result from those incidents; 3) There are likely more people with potential knowledge in this case and, thus, investigators are more likely to solve the mystery with today's forensic & investigative tools; 4) The charges against Lori appear much more serious than any that were leveled against Bouknight. … I'd be interested in anyone else's considered thoughts as to whether or not a Bouknight outcome would be possible here. If so, I hope she is kept incarcerated for at least the 7 years Jacqueline received.

I do think she could end up being convicted of the up to 14 years per child for refusal to reveal their whereabouts. I think she has the moxie to keep her mouth shut. I do not think anyone but Alex really knew where they are, thus providing her with plausible deniability.

 

[mrjitty]

Well he had to be really didn't he? Isn't that why Lori moved up there to make it easier to see him surely? We know he was there on Nov 26th, we know they saw each other on the memorial day in October, he was on her storage footage in October and it looks like they saw each other in September as well as making a podcast together in September, from that I am guessing that they got together as often and as soon as she moved up there early in September after vacating the Az home where CV was killed. Early October specifically as well, when Tammy was at her parents.

I agree we know he was there in October

But was he around in September?

 

[divineappt]

I hope like h*** those kids are NOT currently in public school.


It's there somewhere; I remember it, too.


I thought that was obvious from the hearing.


Oh, totally. I kept getting so sidetracked watching his body language and speech patterns that I forgot to watch her! IMO, he did not have any belief that the hearing to reduce bail was going to accomplish anything, and was just doing what his client wanted him to. Compare his mannerisms and the way he's speaking during the first portion, about the request for bail reduction, with the way he speaks and behaves after the judge has made her decision and he moves on the the waiver. Much more confident and comfortable. Honestly was surprised at how much he was broadcasting his discomfort with having to make the request; it didn't fit with his apparent years of experience. It screamed of "just doing this because I have to, not because I believe in it". And, since Kauai seems to be a very small community with very few judges, the judge is almost certain to be very familiar with his typical courtroom demeanor. Her words - and disdain - were for Lori, IMO, and not the defense attorney, who was simply doing his job. However, I'm doubtful Lori picked up on any of that.

A defense attorney does not necessarily believe their client is innocent. A good one will not make unrealistic promises to their client; rather, they will help them seek the most favorable option available to them. Often, an attorney will encourage their client to plea bargain to lesser charges because they believe the client is likely to be convicted at trial and thus have much greater punishment. It can be pretty difficult for an attorney to deal with a client who will not accept reality. In this case, I suspect that Lori demanded that he fight extradition and for reduced bail, and that a compromise was reached where he convinced her that if the judge denied the reduction, her chances of reduced bail would be better once she was back in Idaho, which made her willing to sign the waiver.


I can't figure out why the media even thinks that 10+ year old debt and bankruptcy filing is relevant to the case. Heck, they could have ignored the debts and had them off their credit report by now.



Um... I've never had to prove that I lived in the same city as where I got a PO Box. In fact, I've usually gotten one months before I moved, before I even found housing, so that I had somewhere to forward mail to ahead of time. For both same-state and different-state moves. You have to have ID, and you have to prove your current physical address, but it doesn't have to be local to the PO Box. It's incredibly common in the region I'm from for people to get boxes at a different office because the size they want is unavailable at the nearest one. (Or, they're completely full up, which happens at one particular location at least once a year.)

The last time I had to add multiple adults to my box, I simply added all their names. The only reason they needed to show ID was if they were going to want to be able to enter the post office and be handed the mail; the post office doesn't care who picks it up with a key. And any name will end up in the box at most post offices, so long as it has the correct address. Even using a pseudonym on a PO box is relatively simple, just add it to the list. The ID proof is so they can track down at least one real person in connection with the box, if necessary. (I've had a lot more difficulty trying to get them to STOP delivering mail to me that was not for me/my household. That's pretty much futile, IMO.)

I got hung up on watching Lori trying to catch his eye and he did everything possible to not look at her.

 

[tresir2012]

Chad is certainly glomming onto the “hurr durr derp, I love lamp” persona, but he is no slouch. Albeit he is not in one’s right mind, I think he is playing up the doofus angle. Very well I might add, lol. I think it is only a matter of time (perhaps if he is arrested) until he rolls on Mrs. Toilet Paper Ringlets.

Ok toilet paper ringlets I have never heard of but my mother used to put my hair in rags to curl it sometimes. Anyone remember them?

 

[mrjitty]

This case has disturbing parallels to the Jacqueline Bouknight case in which a mother refused to disclose what happened to her children. She was jailed for 7 years and finally released without ever providing meaningful information as to her son's whereabouts. In the Bouknight case she claimed to have given the boy to relatives or friends to block the state from putting him with a foster family. Lori's attorney has made the same argument now, saying she did not comply with the Idaho court's order because it would have allowed the state to put her children in foster care. I find myself looking for reassurance that this case will not end in the same stalemate as Bouknight and I come up with the following: 1) There is a very good chance that pressure applied to Chad may cause him to crack. I would think there's a decent chance he could be charged with a conspiracy count alleging he conspired with Lori with respect to the kids; 2) Obviously, all the strange deaths represent a significant difference in this case and one or more charges may result from those incidents; 3) There are likely more people with potential knowledge in this case and, thus, investigators are more likely to solve the mystery with today's forensic & investigative tools; 4) The charges against Lori appear much more serious than any that were leveled against Bouknight. … I'd be interested in anyone else's considered thoughts as to whether or not a Bouknight outcome would be possible here. If so, I hope she is kept incarcerated for at least the 7 years Jacqueline received.

great post

just pulling out one matter for focus

Lori's attorney has made the same argument now, saying she did not comply with the Idaho court's order because it would have allowed the state to put her children in foster care.

I will take this argument seriously, the first time that the defence actually makes the case that the kids are indeed safely hidden. In reality, the claim as framed offers no defence to what she is charged with.

As I understand it Bouknight had claimed to send the child away to save him from Foster care? LV cannot make that claim.

The real question is whether she can be charged with something more ...

 

[tresir2012]

I agree we know he was there in October

But was he around in September?

I just gave the September examples that I know of. Why would she move there if not because he was there? He lived and worked there.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Yep I read that yesterday and thanks for emphasising it as I forgot to comment on that little snippet. Do we know who witnessed Alex's marriage?

Yes, the chapel's security guard (i.e. none of the "group").
Marriage license shows Lori Vallow's brother got married 2 weeks before his death

 

[Ohmeohmy]

February 28,2020
Alex Cox Autopsy =PENDING
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Marking my place with the usual autopsy watch.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Ok toilet paper ringlets I have never heard of but my mother used to put my hair in rags to curl it sometimes. Anyone remember them?

I remember. I'm still known to do that occasionally lol.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

MBP supposedly claimed he falsified his report. So, i'm not sure what is truth and what isn't anymore.

I'm almost certain this meant MBP claimed BB (not IP) falsified his court documents. Unless I am misunderstanding your statement. (Still confusing though, because where/why would BB claim he got this information). Moo.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Not to mention Melani just went on with her life like nothing happened. She isn’t acting like someone who “wants nothing more than to know where the kids are”. Sheesh what BS.

Very, very few people in Lori's family are acting like they "want nothing more than to know where the kids are." Colby, check. Brandon, check. Adam's son, check. Annie, check. Larry & Kay, check, check, check. Everybody else, bupkis.

Brings to mind a question: Is Chad in regular communication with his children and grandchildren?

 

[tresir2012]

Life insurance on himself is not going to help him. You can't get that money unless you are dead as far as I can tell, and dead people usually don't need money.

I am thinking of Lori eying up his benefits. You do get your retirement benefits without being dead though. Also you can get husband and wife life policies where survivor gets the benefits.

 

[Underneath the Sky]

February 28,2020
Alex Cox Autopsy =PENDING
Home Page - OME Case Status

Marking my place with the usual autopsy watch.

On FindAGrave, it says he was cremated. So what are they autopsying? Or is that incorrect?

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Post Register Idaho Falls
Lori Daybell Vallow to be transported to Madison County Jail

 

[Sticksandspades]

Very, very few people in Lori's family are acting like they "want nothing more than to know where the kids are." Colby, check. Brandon, check. Adam's son, check. Annie, check. Larry & Kay, check, check, check. Everybody else, bupkis.

Brings to mind a question: Is Chad in regular communication with his children and grandchildren?

Speaking of Adam’s son. Does anyone have the link to his comment. I thought Jason Lun retweeted it but I can’t find it.

 

[CSIDreamer]

On FindAGrave, it says he was cremated. So what are they autopsying? Or is that incorrect?

Toxicology (lab tests).

In really looking at that, I think I'd like to see a confirming source. Nothing against you. Jmo

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

This case has disturbing parallels to the Jacqueline Bouknight case in which a mother refused to disclose what happened to her children. She was jailed for 7 years and finally released without ever providing meaningful information as to her son's whereabouts. In the Bouknight case she claimed to have given the boy to relatives or friends to block the state from putting him with a foster family. Lori's attorney has made the same argument now, saying she did not comply with the Idaho court's order because it would have allowed the state to put her children in foster care. I find myself looking for reassurance that this case will not end in the same stalemate as Bouknight and I come up with the following: 1) There is a very good chance that pressure applied to Chad may cause him to crack. I would think there's a decent chance he could be charged with a conspiracy count alleging he conspired with Lori with respect to the kids; 2) Obviously, all the strange deaths represent a significant difference in this case and one or more charges may result from those incidents; 3) There are likely more people with potential knowledge in this case and, thus, investigators are more likely to solve the mystery with today's forensic & investigative tools; 4) The charges against Lori appear much more serious than any that were leveled against Bouknight. … I'd be interested in anyone else's considered thoughts as to whether or not a Bouknight outcome would be possible here. If so, I hope she is kept incarcerated for at least the 7 years Jacqueline received.

The Bouknight case was discussed very briefly on thread #15, but now that possible excuse has been brought up in court, it it worth discussing again, I think. Moo.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm acquainted with one on a very limited basis. The other I've never met. My husband knows them. I just know how I'd feel walking into that. She was a nice lady and I'd like for them to not have certain images burned into their hearts. Jmo

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February 28,2020
Alex Cox Autopsy =PENDING
Home Page - OME Case Status

Marking my place with the usual autopsy watch.

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