Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

[Gardener1850]

I'm sure you're both right, as there's a lot of stuff to keep straight here; but aren't LE/other TPTB sure that the shooter was driving Tylee's Jeep? I must admit I'm not as up on my Alex as I am on everybody else's movements, as I was mentally resistant for a long while to the "Alex as hit man" movement since it seemed too complicated and dire; but who else would have been driving the Jeep?

IDK... Melani and IP? Or Melani and Chad? Or IP and Chad?? Lori was in the storage unit video with "possibly Alex"... but I'm saying it's not 100% settled where Alex was... If Alex was in Rexburg that narrows who was in AZ. If Alex wasn't in Rexburg he was likely in the Jeep that shot at BB with someone else (one driver one shooter out the back window), but then we have to question who was with Alex and who was in the storage unit video? The man in the storage unit would have to be Ian or Chad...? Are there others I'm forgetting? I don't really get Melani's reasons for claiming Alex was in the Rexburg CCTV.

Either:

1. She's telling the truth and has personal knowledge of Alex's whereabouts. Why/how would she know that? If this is the case, then she also knows who had Tylee's Jeep down in AZ.

OR

2. She's lying because Alex was really with her in AZ and maybe her husband or new uncle by marriage were in the storage unit... She doesn't want to connect Ian or Chad to the storage unit activity. For some reason she thinks it's safer to say Alex was in Rexburg and she was there with him.... But that claim essentially throws Ian or Chad under the bus for the shooting. Because there are limited number of people who had access to Tylee's Jeep and would bother bringing it back to Rexburg where they all live.

OR

3. She has no idea who was where, but has decided to claim Alex was in the storage unit video.... because ? it goes against what BB is claiming? IDK why...

Am I forgetting someone else who could have taken Tylee's Jeep to AZ and back again?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I meant cremations in Utah, etc, much more unusual, although my aunt decided to be and it wasn't a big deal, so I think it's becoming a bit more accepted. In other countries where cremations are more common, then LDS people get cremated much more routinely, I think it was more cultural than doctrinal is I guess what I was getting at. MOO

Gotcha...Thanks. Makes it extra clear by mentioning international...

 

[janx]

Are we sure that's where he's going?

No, we don't. He will go there, however, if he's still on board with his wife. Also, he has a house and adult kids there.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Oh, wow! Boy was I wrong. He's gone already!

BUH-BYE

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[v0x]

 

[Trask]

With connections, he probably got back to ID by midday. Surely he's not back at his old house. Nate better have stakeouts at the local breakfast bars. I vote for either Hampton Inn, AmericInn by Wyndham or Springill Suites. Everything else in that area seems too lowbrow for the new Chad. Can't see him staying at the Super 8.

 

[janx]

BUH-BYE

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I suddenly have the Grateful Dead tune "Friend of the Devil" stuck in my head.

 

[janx]

With connections, he probably got back to ID by midday. Surely he's not back at his old house. Nate better have stakeouts at the local breakfast bars. I vote for either Hampton Inn, AmericInn by Wyndham or Springill Suites. Everything else in that area seems too lowbrow for the new Chad. Can't see him staying at the Super 8.

Do you think he's going to try to hide in plain sight?

 

[Evan's Mom]

I checked all the podcast listings for the Voldemort podcast group in an effort to see when they could have met through that avenue.
Preparing A People Podcast Network | Himalaya

Per DailyMail, yes, that's incorrect. There is no podcast listed in December 2017 that features Chad or Lori, and definitely not together.

I see near the bottom (earliest podcast on the list Episode 001 on July 12, 2017 of the titular podcasts) the owners and co-host CD is introduced. Chad is always included in the episodes as a Co-Host or with his full name.

Every time hosts or speakers that are part of the podcast are mentioned in the synopsis, they are by first name except their introductory podcast. LV is introduced as Lori Vallow for the first "Time to Warrior Up Podcast - Introduction" podcast on Dec 4, 2018. All later times she is mentioned as Lori.

I think it is likely that the two met at some point before December 2018 and through interactions with the podcast group. There is a possibility that they met in person when Chad was in Mesa, AZ on July 13, 2018 for a conference (I've shared this info earlier: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #18). He was also in Mesa for the November 2018 Event so there's a possibility that was when they met. Here he is in the audience in white shirt and tie.

(source: himalaya.com url above).

Do I know exactly when he and Lori met? No. But it was definitely before Tammy died in October 2019, Chad said as much to the landlord in November 7 conversation in Kauai. It's possible to have been before July 2018. It's possible to have been at the "Zions Camp" in 2017 (The podcasts about the camp started in August, camp shortly before). There were reports from sundry sources that Chad and Tammy were at a camp in July 2017 (before Aug 21, 2017 eclipse) and Lori was there.

Your awesome timeline confirms that:
"June 2017 – Family members say Lori and Chad first met sometime around June 2017 (Daily Mail).

Summer of 2017 – Chad meets author and podcaster, MG, for the first time after he speaks at a campout in Northern Utah. MG invites him to speak in her hometown of Mesa, Arizona (Chad's Forward for MG's book)."

If MG invited him to the speaking event in Mesa, my post linked above shows the connection there in July 13, 2018. I'm not sure about previous dates. We know that Lori became involved with the podcasting group with MG and JasonM.

BBM

So they started doing podcasts together right about the same time Chad upped Tammy's life insurance? Had he already had visions of her death?

 

[Redvines86]

He might have gone to Utah first to see his parents, and the SLC airport may have been a quieter place to land since I don't think anyone outside of the family knew he was coming. maybe. MOO

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Our group here has discussed these issues at great length regarding this topic of the move to Rexburg. We do not know when Chad and Lori met for sure, and even though Tammy did get a job in the Rexburg area, she had trouble with the move there originally. I feel pretty sure we had a verified individual who had known Chad who felt that Chad was not getting the recognition he wanted in Utah so after the family vacation at Island Park, CHAD decided he wanted to be in Rexburg, not Tammy. I wish someone knew how to get you back to previous threads so you can become a bid more informed on this subject... I think it would help you ...so if anyone is good at "up-threading" go for it. I am not.

I believe this poster is asking specifically what Chad moving to Rexburg has to do with facilitating his affair with Lori, and quite frankly I have always been perplexed at this assertion as well since Lori had lived in AZ and Hawaii until September 2019. I dont think suggesting to read back about the reasons we have previously discussed would help to answer what I (and likely the poster you quote) believe to be a non sequitur. Moo.

 

[wnk]

Assuming he flew out of LIH (the news articles just said "a Hawaii airport" - did anyone recognize it?) and that he's heading back to Idaho, he's going to have to have a layover.

Domestic non stop flights from Lihue may fly to:

• Denver, Colorado – DEN – United
• Honolulu, Hawaii – HNL – Delta, American, Hawaiian
• Kahului, Hawaii – OGG – Hawaiian
• Kona, Hawaii – KOA – Hawaiian
• Los Angeles, California – LAX – United, Delta, Hawaiian, American
• Oakland, California – OAK – Alaska Airlines, Hawaiian
• Phoenix, Arizona – PHX – American
• Portland, Oregon – PDX – Alaska Airlines
• San Diego, California – SAN – Alaska Airlines
• San Francisco, California – SFO – United
• San Jose, California – SJC – Alaska Airlines
• Seattle, Washington – SEA – Delta, Alaska Airlines

Non stop flights from Lihue – LIH direct flights

 

[meanmaryjean]

If he thinks the good citizens of Hawai'i were on his back - I am CONFIDENT Idahoans will pump up the volume.

Good luck Chad - you're gonna need it.

 

[mzmarple]

When did Tammy go to college to obtain her teaching/library science credentials? Would she have been hired as a school librarian without out certification? Can a paraprofessional been able to obtain higher amounts of life insurance? Or did Tammy have another
policy?

BBM
I think someone responded about TD’s general college education, but I didn’t see a response about teacher/librarian certification...

All U.S. states have their own policies regarding teacher licensure, which seem to change fairly frequently. I live in a state close to Idaho, and school librarians do not need to have a teaching license or a library science degree. Although I haven’t checked state regulations specifically, the elementary school librarians in my school district are classified staff members. I was surprised when I realized this, because they provide prep period coverage for classroom teachers and they used to have to be licensed teachers as well. My state used to require master’s degrees for teacher licensure, and doesn’t require that anymore either...law of supply and demand I guess?! MOO

 

[jjenny]

If he thinks the good citizens of Hawai'i were on his back - I am CONFIDENT Idahoans will pump up the volume.

Good luck Chad - you're gonna need it.

I am far from convinced he is going to Idaho.

 

[OGDiva]

He might have gone to Utah first to see his parents, and the SLC airport may have been a quieter place to land since I don't think anyone outside of the family knew he was coming. maybe. MOO

I really hope he didn't go to see his parents. They don't need any more of his SH$& Show in their lives. They are wonderful people and I am heartbroken for them and this nightmare Chad has thrown them into.

 

[jjenny]

BBM
I think someone responded about TD’s general college education, but I didn’t see a response about teacher/librarian certification...

All U.S. states have their own policies regarding teacher licensure, which seem to change fairly frequently. I live in a state close to Idaho, and school librarians do not need to have a teaching license or a library science degree. Although I haven’t checked state regulations specifically, the elementary school librarians in my school district are classified staff members. I was surprised when I realized this, because they provide prep period coverage for classroom teachers and they used to have to be licensed teachers as well. My state used to require master’s degrees for teacher licensure, and doesn’t require that anymore either...law of supply and demand I guess?! MOO

Yes, I don't think Tammy graduated. She started at the University, but then met Chad and I think she dropped out.

 

[Trask]

Assuming he flew out of LIH (the news articles just said "a Hawaii airport" - did anyone recognize it?)

RSBM

It looks like Daniel K. Inouye International Airport in Honolulu.

Edited to add I could be wrong. Lihue and HNL look very similar
Second edit LOL: I think you're right, it's LIH

 

[nhmemorymaker]

IDK... Melani and IP? Or Melani and Chad? Or IP and Chad?? Lori was in the storage unit video with "possibly Alex"... but I'm saying it's not 100% settled where Alex was... If Alex was in Rexburg that narrows who was in AZ. If Alex wasn't in Rexburg he was likely in the Jeep that shot at BB with someone else (one driver one shooter out the back window), but then we have to question who was with Alex and who was in the storage unit video? The man in the storage unit would have to be Ian or Chad...? Are there others I'm forgetting? I don't really get Melani's reasons for claiming Alex was in the Rexburg CCTV.

Either:

1. She's telling the truth and has personal knowledge of Alex's whereabouts. Why/how would she know that? If this is the case, then she also knows who had Tylee's Jeep down in AZ.

OR

2. She's lying because Alex was really with her in AZ and maybe her husband or new uncle by marriage were in the storage unit... She doesn't want to connect Ian or Chad to the storage unit activity. For some reason she thinks it's safer to say Alex was in Rexburg and she was there with him.... But that claim essentially throws Ian or Chad under the bus for the shooting. Because there are limited number of people who had access to Tylee's Jeep and would bother bringing it back to Rexburg where they all live.

OR

3. She has no idea who was where, but has decided to claim Alex was in the storage unit video.... because ? it goes against what BB is claiming? IDK why...

Am I forgetting someone else who could have taken Tylee's Jeep to AZ and back again?

i dunno but there might be other "silent partners" out there....especially since we saw ZP and SC in the courtroom with MBp.

 

[montegrl]

This is possible. I wouldn't say likely though. I don't think most LDS members would find this combination to be "normal," but unlike Chad, I don't think many people think Lori operated as a "normal" Latter-day Saint.

I haven't seen these "infinity mirrors" in people's houses much at all that I recall; they're not even in ordinary church meetinghouses -- usually just something that temples are known for. And the yoga mats could possibly be related to prayer/meditation, but I think most LDS who have them would use them for yoga (assuming we're differentiating that from prayer/meditation).

Thank you for your valuable input. I really didn't see it as a normal LDS thing, I was thinking that possibly with her fringe beliefs she was creating her own temple to explore her multiple mortal probations (she seemed to be quite heavy into that) and possibly she thought she was murdering "Ned Snyder" for all of eternity rather than just in this incarnation but it is all complete speculation without truly understanding her beliefs and motivations. It was more of a thought I wanted to explore with minds that are far more knowledgeable than my own, thank you. MOO