Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #23

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True CSIDreamer the mirrors are way to low to be decorative, I am thinking, they are reflecting light around the room making it brighter and natural without have to use modern lamps(clutter) I learnt this through Ancient Egypt History and others, a perfect sun room to dance , sewing and reading etc....
( Hope I am making sense, trying to read and catch up with threads have the flu at the moment, cannot sleep coughing too much, hubby needs sleep and it is early morning)
I did dancing for local dance group and local theater when I was younger, so so many years ago, friends had their own practise room which I used the mirrors were big they were often body height or a bit more and covered the walls surrounding the room... I was bit uncomfortable using it to dance in when we practised. But it was good to get from reflections around the room we could see every movement when all of us danced together and that we were in time together. I used to say all I needed mirror on the ceiling, bed in the middle of the room, I would be Josephine waiting for Napoleon.:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

TMI. LOL
 
  • #62
DBM
 
  • #63
Exactly what I believe as well. I had originally thought that the argument between AC and LV was something to do with the "whole family". Now I think it was to do with some botched effort to off CV while she was in HI.

I think the argument is what caused her to leave to go to Hawaii.
Her car was seen at ACs at that time plus. Also the time missing which is unclear is generally thought to be the first bit.
My hypothesis was that the argument was perhaps caused by AC confessing to Lori that he had killed JR (for her, without first being instructed by Lori to do so), and that AC had thought she'd be pleased to hear this, but instead (for some reason) she went ballistic. JR died in Apr 18, the argument was in early 2019. Jmo

ETA (corrected error on month of JE's death in '18)

Possible. But I think the time between probably rules it out. If you had a sibling like AC soon as anyone died you'd ask him his involvement.

I think there might be a failed murder that lead to that argument. I just don't know who that person was/is.

Moo
 
  • #64
Could the argument between Lori and Alex be related to Alex’s apparent addiction to 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, which has been mentioned here several times? It would explain how if it was discovered by Lori it would shame the “entire family”. MOO. I tried (twice!:mad:) to reference the quote I’m responding to (nhmemorymaker) as well as insert the source of the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 addiction (Gray Hughes video of his email with Cox family member) but it didn’t go as expected. I’m such a newbie. :(
 
  • #65
I don't think the dance room/studio is strange. It's probably how she exercised and kept in great shape. Home gyms usually have mirrors too.
 
  • #66
I am starting to see this a bit differently too. At first thinking about the quick marriages to do with their own version of end of times . However, the Inside Edition article about her younger life really pointed out just how strict her LDS trainingn was. What was it like to be such a strict devout Mormon, living in California in the 60s and 70s??? They must have had to hold onto that strict (Lori had religions lessons EVERY DAY before school???) as real outsiders, I imagine. Who knows how large the ward was there back then? I am guessing that her post-highschool marriage might have been an elopement. There is no way I can see her getting permission. But I could see the family actually moving out of state because of it. As one person pointed out.. "some are kicked out of the family over such actions". My guess in this case is "family over sins". Blows my mind to see the decisions she made in her life from early on. IMO, IMO. BOO

Nit picking, but ...

That would have been the 70s and 80s and realistically (given that she's have turned 6(?) in 1980 more like the 80s and 90s. I think your point is valid, but also suspect that Rialto (far NE of greater Los Angelos area near Riverside and San Bernadino) had plenty of chances to get in trouble. I'm not real familiar with the area, but had a friend who lived in that area around when Lori was born and it was a combination of surburban and rural with fruit orchards scattered amongst the subdivisions. My point is it was a far cry from San Francisco in the 60s.
 
  • #67
Lori and Alex argued but then obviously made up. Who knows what they were arguing about? Alex is dead and Lori will likely never tell. Regardless of the fight, Lori likely managed to get Alex to do what she wanted either by paying him (she might have paid him to do things for her, as has been implied on GH youtube show) or by whatever other means.
 
  • #68
Utah also has the highest use of antidepressants. Just seems that that which is not allowable through the church has alternatives...

I think you're suggesting that this is a way to modify the mind rather than using alcohol or illegal (at least for the moment) drugs. It's an alternative that they can justify since the doctor won't prescribe beer. :) I think you're right, but there is more which would be going too far off track, so I'll resist.
 
  • #69
Is this why there are so many gigantic multi-million dollar temples being built? I have often wondered how Mormons accept this massive spending of their money (tithing) when that money could help so many people, civilizations, society.... It is because they truly believe this access to God if in one of these buildings, rather than say..praying on their own.

Yes. In the last 50 years the number of temples has increased dramatically. I remembered the number as being about 12 temples total 50 years ago. In the 80s they went on a building spree and the number is now around 200. You'll remember Chad's suggestion that Tammy play Frontierville less (I think that was the game) and spend the time doing genelogical research. The reason (or at least one of the big ones) that Mormons are so into researching ancestory is that they believe certain temple ordinances need to be performed for a person, in proxy if they're dead, in order for them to get into the better neighborhoods in heaven. (Mormon haven has three different levels with requirements being steeper for the nicer levels.) Of course if we're really in the last days, given the number of people who will need to be baptized and possibly married in proxy in a temple, they've got a gap between what is achievable and what is required.

All of that is to say that from the standpoint of their stated beliefs the cost of the temples is very much justified. That's not to say that there aren't valid complaints about the amount they spend on what could be termed charatible programs and how much money they have tied up in businesses and investments (in excess of 100 billion based on some recent news reporting). But from the standpoint of temples, they do need temples accessible to as many members as they can and lots of them for sure.
 
  • #70
Question regarding Lori's every morning "religious lessons". Is that what I call my morning devotions? Or is there more to it? Jmo

Seminary. Basically formalized religious instruction for teens. At least in Utah the normal is from 9th grade through 12th for it to be available. Most places do this as an early morning instruction like what was described for Lori. But some places (Utah and SE Idaho, for sure) there are seminary buildings that appear to be part of the campus at the high school and junior highs, but technically it turns out the land and building are owned by the church (how that gets worked out, I don't know). Kids who wish to attend seminary are then "released" one period a day during the school day to attend a seminary class. It isn't technically part of the government sponsored public school program, you don't get credits toward high school graduation, but it is integrated into the school program, if that makes sense.
 
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Is this why there are so many gigantic multi-million dollar temples being built? I have often wondered how Mormons accept this massive spending of their money (tithing) when that money could help so many people, civilizations, society.... It is because they truly believe this access to God if in one of these buildings, rather than say..praying on their own.
So the higher the temple or church, the better.
 
  • #72
Nit picking, but ...

That would have been the 70s and 80s and realistically (given that she's have turned 6(?) in 1980 more like the 80s and 90s. I think your point is valid, but also suspect that Rialto (far NE of greater Los Angelos area near Riverside and San Bernadino) had plenty of chances to get in trouble. I'm not real familiar with the area, but had a friend who lived in that area around when Lori was born and it was a combination of surburban and rural with fruit orchards scattered amongst the subdivisions. My point is it was a far cry from San Francisco in the 60s.
Right-- I was "thinking her birthdate to be 1966--mind thing--like 46/1966... so clearly wrong---but WAS thinking more about the 60-70s, as a rigid time to be "different"--- how her parents were disposed to raising children in a time when I would have thought LDS would have been strange to folks. (most was not having SanFran in mind at all). Tolerance wasn't a big thing back then. I remember having a boyfriend in HS/early college, and never, ever knew his mother was Mormon (in Ohio.) I only learned about it when we reunited 10 years ago on FB, that his parents divorced and his mother returned to Utah after 40 some years. He told me that she didn't want anyone to know, and had very few friends...
 
  • #73
It did freak me out when the nanny said there was a mirror above JJ's mattress, I'm not sure I would put one above a sleeping autistic child's head. (Missing Idaho kid's nanny recounts experience with Lori Vallow days before disappearance)

With the way he is said to wander,and that his bed was in a shared room, I figured it was likely to make it easier to see if he was still in bed.

Her attachment to Tylee was so intense, and she was so adorable...so maybe Lori read that as "People are complimentary towards Tylee, and that says something positive about me."

But with JJ, it might have been "People are mean to me about JJ, and that says something negative about me."

I know there's a psychological phenomenon here, but I don't know what it's called? Anyway, I think all parents have to find a balance in this thing with their children's identity and their own. But I don't think Lori (being a person of extremes) is very good at finding balance. Or maybe it was the other way around: She wasn't good at finding balance, and then became a person of extremes.

That's the narcissism. It's all about her. Other people aren't real; they're just puppets in her world, for her use and entertainment.
 
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I agree with you! He sounds like a man enthralled with his beautiful slew of “followers”. The first time I read something of his was here: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

From that post above these are chads words talking about his one foot in the grave book. This is where my opinion of him formed. I don’t see him as a dedicated to his wife strict Mormon here. I would think if that were the case he wouldn’t be discussing multiple dates he had in any form. The following is BBM:

One Foot in the Grave - Behind the Scenes
A later version includes this tidbit as well on this page.

Here's a story that was in the first draft of the book, but for whatever reason it got trimmed out. I like it, though, even though it brings back bad memories. I call it: "Two strikes is enough."
I didn’t start working at the cemetery until I was out of high school, but my friends and I took dates there twice. Both turned out memorably.
The first one was after a school dance, and for some reason my friend Mark pulled into the cemetery. We got out of the car for a minute, but we didn’t get nervous -- until a police car came squealing up behind us.
The cop really raked Mark over the coals. The cop made us feel as if we’d broken every law on the books. The fun was over and we took our dates home. But six months later I tried it with another batch of friends, with even less success.
It was a triple date,
and when we parked the car the three guys hopped out of the car and ran off through the cemetery, leaving the girls behind. The girls screamed a bit at being left alone, but then one of them wisely slid over into the driver’s seat and drove away! That wasn’t what we’d planned.
The girls eventually came back for us after a stop at a convenience store where they told everyone what they’d done. But even worse, as I saw the girls drive off, I started running after the car. Bad mistake. I failed to see a three-foot-high sprinkler pipe in my path, but my crotch didn’t fail to miss it. Yeow!
I had barely begun to recover when the girls returned a few minutes later. (Of course, my friends thought my little accident was hilarious.) In my mind, that was two strikes on cemetery dates, and I never had the courage to find out what a third date there would bring. Strike three would likely kill me.

He comes off so self-important yet so lacking in self-assurance to write about dating in the cemetery -- 10+ years after he was married.
 
  • #76
Could the argument between Lori and Alex be related to Alex’s apparent addiction to 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, which has been mentioned here several times? It would explain how if it was discovered by Lori it would shame the “entire family”. MOO. I tried (twice!:mad:) to reference the quote I’m responding to (nhmemorymaker) as well as insert the source of the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 addiction (Gray Hughes video of his email with Cox family member) but it didn’t go as expected. I’m such a newbie. :(

Who knows if it was really even an addiction to 🤬🤬🤬🤬? I take that accusation with a grain of salt. A lot of religions view 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to the extreme to the point that it can be used as proof of being the cause of every problem in a person's life.
 
  • #77
Lost in the thread so I'm replying to myself. :p

I just looked at the body cam footage. Those mirrors are way too low to be decorative. I was looking for a barre but didn't see one. I'm leaning strongly towards personal studio any way now. Jmo
Perhaps it was for JJ. The nanny mentioned a mirror in Lori and JJ's room that JJ pulled off the wall when he was having his tantrum. It fell on the bed and she checked it to make sure there were no broken pieces.
 
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Who knows if it was really even an addiction to 🤬🤬🤬🤬? I take that accusation with a grain of salt. A lot of religions view 🤬🤬🤬🤬 to the extreme to the point that it can be used as proof of being the cause of every problem in a person's life.
Have you got a link regarding religions viewing 🤬🤬🤬🤬?
 
  • #79
I get the vibe that Lori didn't do much for JJ, at all. It was Charles, it was Tylee.

Yep. And they also hired live-in nannies for JJ while in Hawaii. I would love to hear some stories from the nannies who commented on Charles' obituary: L. Vallow Obituary - Chandler, AZ
I wonder what Lori did with her time everyday while living in Hawaii with Charles? Lay on the beach and read Chad's books? :rolleyes:
 
  • #80
He comes off so self-important yet so lacking in self-assurance to write about dating in the cemetery -- 10+ years after he was married.
I think Chad has always been socially awkward, I think he has passed that on, and I think a major reason he so loved speaking at the conferences and campouts is he could be the coolest of the socially awkward kids. So I think having Lori become enamored of him, sheesh, imagine being the school geek and the head cheerleader falling in love with you? Heady stuff. MOO
 
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