Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

[Drc40]

There is NOTHING in her lawyers request pertaining to the location of her missing children. What we have here is deflection, avoidance and dodging. Typical lawyer stuff when your client is straight up guilty.

 

[Gardener1850]

Apologies.. But I would say, they did set this into motion in the very beginning when they could not find a grandson. MOO

ITA, it's true that they asked for a welfare check and that set things into motion. But I don't want any of Lori's defenders to have ammunition against Kay and Larry to blame them for Lori being arrested in Hawaii and held for extradition. Kay and Larry could have done nothing at all after that first welfare check request and the Idaho courts would still be able to charge Lori with what she has currently been charged with. Kay and Larry requesting guardianship was a reaction on their part to the Idaho court order requiring Lori to produce the children. They filed it in anticipation of JJ being located and with the knowledge that he would be placed into foster care unless they acted to request guardianship. Their guardianship filing hasn't triggered anything in regards to Lori's criminal case.

Just for a refresher, Lori's criminal charges:
Desertion and Nonsupport of Dependent Child Under 18 YOA, I18-401(1), Felony on 9/23/2019

Desertion and Nonsupport of Dependent Child Under 18 YOA, I18-401(1), Felony on 9/08/2019

Arrests & Seizures-Resisting or Obstructing Officers, I18-705, Misdemeanor, 11/26/2019

Criminal Solicitation to Commit a Crime, I18-2001 {M}, Misdemeanor, 11/26/2019

Contempt of Court-Criminal-Willful disobedience or court process or order, 18-1801(4), 1/30/2020

All the charges except for that last charge occurred before Kay and Larry filed for guardianship. They made their guardianship filing only one day before Lori defied the court order to produce the kids. However, the results of Lori defying the court order she was served with on Jan 25th would have been the same even if Kay and Larry had not filed for guardianship of JJ on Jan 29th.

MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I found this recent case quite interesting as Edwina Elcox-one of Lori's attorneys-was this defendant's attorney. It involves a missing child and the parent charged with obstruction by lying as to the whereabouts of child. The particulars in this case are not exactly like LV's but... the child was later found, defendant took an Alford plea (I think) and ended up on probation.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article233286722.html

"Helmandollar’s attorney, Edwina Elcox, argued that the press releases put out by the Nampa Police Department at the time of the Amber Alert and in the days following deprived her client of the presumption of innocence and his right to a fair trial."

 

[Randocalrissian]

Oh definitely. I don’t think Kay’s interest in JJ had anything to do with the money. But I DO think it’s eye opening to know that Kay “wanted JJ” back in July (ETA: or at least that Lori believed that she did). I think this is important and speaks volumes about Lori’s ensuing actions—moving and not telling the grandparents where they went and either harming or hiding the kids. It’s just another piece of the puzzle. CV also mentioned Lori as being paranoid. I’m sure that plays in as well.

ETA: As you say, Lori is driving this bus. Her paranoia and her callousness are in the driver’s seat. But if in her mind a custody battle was starting back then, even if it wasn’t, I think that’s important to know.

IMO, if my grandson was with his non-blood related stepmother, who had recently abandoned the family for a few months earlier in the year, had potentially been having an affair, and now, had been involved in some way with the death of her husband / my brother, self defense or otherwise, I would be talking very seriously with Lori about the possibility of raising my grandchild, even in the most innocent of circumstances. It is not a stretch to me to see that being in the woodcocks mind. Who wouldn’t at least consider that in similar circumstances?

 

[v0x]

I’m seeing Kay being described as both JJ’s grandmother, and Charles’s sister? What am I missing?

 

[ThinkoutLoud]

IMO, if my grandson was with his non-blood related stepmother, who had recently abandoned the family for a few months earlier in the year, had potentially been having an affair, and now, had been involved in some way with the death of her husband / my brother, self defense or otherwise, I would be talking very seriously with Lori about the possibility of raising my grandchild, even in the most innocent of circumstances. It is not a stretch to me to see that being in the woodcocks mind. Who wouldn’t at least consider that in similar circumstances?

Very well said in my opinion.

 

[Randocalrissian]

I’m seeing Kay being described as both JJ’s grandmother, and Charles’s sister? What am I missing?

Nothing. That is correct. Charles and Lori adopted his sister, Kay’s, grandson.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

ITA, it's true that they asked for a welfare check and that set things into motion. But I don't want any of Lori's defenders to have ammunition against Kay and Larry to blame them for Lori being arrested in Hawaii and held for extradition. Kay and Larry could have done nothing at all after that first welfare check request and the Idaho courts would still be able to charge Lori with what she has currently been charged with. Kay and Larry requesting guardianship was a reaction on their part to the Idaho court order requiring Lori to produce the children. They filed it in anticipation of JJ being located and with the knowledge that he would be placed into foster care unless they acted to request guardianship. Their guardianship filing hasn't triggered anything in regards to Lori's criminal case.

Just for a refresher, Lori's criminal charges:
Desertion and Nonsupport of Dependent Child Under 18 YOA, I18-401(1), Felony on 9/23/2019

Desertion and Nonsupport of Dependent Child Under 18 YOA, I18-401(1), Felony on 9/08/2019

Arrests & Seizures-Resisting or Obstructing Officers, I18-705, Misdemeanor, 11/26/2019

Criminal Solicitation to Commit a Crime, I18-2001 {M}, Misdemeanor, 11/26/2019

Contempt of Court-Criminal-Willful disobedience or court process or order, 18-1801(4), 1/30/2020

All the charges except for that last charge occurred before Kay and Larry filed for guardianship. They made their guardianship filing only one day before Lori defied the court order to produce the kids. However, the results of Lori defying the court order she was served with on Jan 25th would have been the same even if Kay and Larry had not filed for guardianship of JJ on Jan 29th.

MOO

BBM
And at this point (sorry to keep harping on this but I feel it is crucial) the state of Idaho had temporary custody, a shelter hearing had already occurred, and the Woodcocks were basically (in essence) applying/notifying to be the first foster home Idaho would place them into once they are located. Moo.

 

[kye0001]

IMO, if my grandson was with his non-blood related stepmother, who had recently abandoned the family for a few months earlier in the year, had potentially been having an affair, and now, had been involved in some way with the death of her husband / my brother, self defense or otherwise, I would be talking very seriously with Lori about the possibility of raising my grandchild, even in the most innocent of circumstances. It is not a stretch to me to see that being in the woodcocks mind. Who wouldn’t at least consider that in similar circumstances?

Thank you for saying that, I’ve typed out similar and deleted it before posting several times. I can honestly say I wouldn’t have acted with the grace and dignity that the woodcocks have either if that was my grandchild missing. I’m full of admiration for both of them and I truly hope the children are found safe. JMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

IMO, if my grandson was with his non-blood related stepmother, who had recently abandoned the family for a few months earlier in the year, had potentially been having an affair, and now, had been involved in some way with the death of her husband / my brother, self defense or otherwise, I would be talking very seriously with Lori about the possibility of raising my grandchild, even in the most innocent of circumstances. It is not a stretch to me to see that being in the woodcocks mind. Who wouldn’t at least consider that in similar circumstances?

BBM. Problem being, she is his adoptive mother. Not his stepmother. The day CV died, her rights trumped all others. Of course, what has transpired since that day, including a possible charge regarding the death of CV, is a whole nother ball of wax. Jmo

 

[ThinkoutLoud]

I found this recent case quite interesting as Edwina Elcox-one of Lori's attorneys-was this defendant's attorney. It involves a missing child and the parent charged with obstruction by lying as to the whereabouts of child. The particulars in this case are not exactly like LV's but... the child was later found, defendant took an Alford plea (I think) and ended up on probation.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article233286722.html

"Helmandollar’s attorney, Edwina Elcox, argued that the press releases put out by the Nampa Police Department at the time of the Amber Alert and in the days following deprived her client of the presumption of innocence and his right to a fair trial."

Nice find. This is interesting. I’ll add another quote from the article:

“Nampa PD previously reported that when police interviewed Helmandollar during the search for his child, he initially provided false information about the location of his daughter.”

I think the tactics used by the lawyer stated in this article are ones we may see used in this case: asking the documents be sealed, arguing that the client doesn’t have the right to a fair trial due to the media hype, etc. In the Helmandollar case, though, the child was unharmed. That’s a big ? still hanging over this case.

Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article233286722.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Randocalrissian]

Very well said in my opinion.

In retrospect, it was a massive run on sentence. Perhaps I should avoid a future writing career.

 

[utahobserver]

I found this recent case quite interesting as Edwina Elcox-one of Lori's attorneys-was this defendant's attorney. It involves a missing child and the parent charged with obstruction by lying as to the whereabouts of child. The particulars in this case are not exactly like LV's but... the child was later found, defendant took an Alford plea (I think) and ended up on probation.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article233286722.html

"Helmandollar’s attorney, Edwina Elcox, argued that the press releases put out by the Nampa Police Department at the time of the Amber Alert and in the days following deprived her client of the presumption of innocence and his right to a fair trial."

Well we can get a sense from this article what strategies will be used as the case moves forward.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I’m seeing Kay being described as both JJ’s grandmother, and Charles’s sister? What am I missing?

She is both. Charles nephew (Kay's son) is JJ's father.

 

[Randocalrissian]

BBM. Problem being, she is his adoptive mother. Not his stepmother. The day CV died, her rights trumped all others. Of course, what has transpired since that day, including a possible charge regarding the death of CV, is a whole nother ball of wax. Jmo

Agreed! That is why I would try to have the conversation, with hopes that perhaps Lori would be open to it. But clearly, legally, I could not force it to happen.

 

[v0x]

Nothing. That is correct. Charles and Lori adopted his sister, Kay’s, grandson.

Thanks for clarifying. I was missing that he was adapted by Charles. I thought he was Charles son, adopted by Lori.

 

[fred&edna]

Nice find. This is interesting. I’ll add another quote from the article:

“Nampa PD previously reported that when police interviewed Helmandollar during the search for his child, he initially provided false information about the location of his daughter.”

I think the tactics stated here are ones we may see used in this case.

Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article233286722.html#storylink=cpy

The legal aspects always interest me, and I keep wondering how her defense team will argue the charges against her.

I also fear that the longer we watch their possible fancy-high-heel legal work it's more time wasted in actually finding JJ and Tylee.

 

[jjenny]

New article has some interesting new information.
Chad apparently told his son that he met Lori in Hawaii when he went there for a business trip.
“We were talking about how his family is doing and he told me his dad remarried,” she says. “I thought it was a joke because he kind of laughed about it afterward. I laughed and he said, ‘No, I’m serious. My dad went to Hawaii on a business trip and met a widow and they just got married.'”
Life insurance increase, quick burial and other 'weird' things Chad Daybell's friends noticed | East Idaho News

 

[jjenny]

Another interesting piece of information.
"Five days after the post was emailed to AVOW subscribers, Chad married Lori Vallow on a Hawaii beach. Court documents show he received $430,000 in life insurance money after Tammy died. Multiple sources say the funds came from several policies and Chad made “significant” increases to at least one policy before Tammy passed away."
Life insurance increase, quick burial and other 'weird' things Chad Daybell's friends noticed | East Idaho News

 

[jjenny]

I think this is an important comment here. This might explain WHY Lori seems to think it's a custody issue. Man... it would suck to be in her sandals if she got this all wrong from the get-go and ends up in this spot!

I don't believe Lori actually thinks it's a custody issue. Regardless, she wouldn't be confused over custody issues for Tylee because there were none. Yet Tylee apparently went missing even before JJ did.