Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

[Sachi]

This is a good piece of the timeline to review. Thank you.

As a minor note, we also know that on Oct 31, 2019 Chad wrote a message which seems an effort to prepare his online buddies for his marriage to Lori—that second chapter of his life:

“ Stepping into the Future
Tammy conveyed to me several messages in .. and I'm in the process of implementing what she has told me to do. She has indicated that my life has two parts that were planned even before I came to earth.”

Note: “I’m in the process of implementing what she has told me to do.”

The conversations LE must be having..

 

[squareandrabbet]

They met up in HI before CV’s death? How did I miss that? Can someone point me in that direction?

Being speculated and sleuthed as per over here:

Arizona police investigating ‘suspicious’ email in connection to Lori Vallow’s former husband’s death | East Idaho News

 

[BigAl16]

Vallow case now under the Big Sky as eyes turn to Yellowstone for clues

This is on the evening news right now.

Some good points in here. For those who think those of us who have said that getting away from prying eyes in Yellowstone would be questionable, they've got a quote or two here saying the same thing. They also ask anyone who was at Yellowstone on 9/8 and have photos from their time there to "reach out" to the Rexburg PD.

 

[squareandrabbet]

The conversations LE must be having..

Maybe we should send them a Costco-sized package of ice packs and Excedrin Migraine.

 

[Vegasgrl]

Why does Madison County have her checked in as Vallow? She never changed her legal name to Daybell? Daybell shouldn't be an alias if she's legally married, unless she wanted to keep the Vallow name. That's very doubtful, IMO. I confused.

 

[Evan's Mom]

No, of course I can't. In fact, if you go back and re-read what I just said, it was that it's "technically possible". Not very realistic, but possible. This can be inferred because 1) contact poisons exist, 2) an exploded paintball can make skin contact.

Likewise, poison on darts or with needle pricks, and even use of small pellets. Ricin poisoning is a thing, though I'm not sure the symptoms fit in this case.

The science exists, the method exists, therefore the potential exists. That makes it "technically possible".

Random preppers in Idaho using this method? Unlikely, IMO.

Though with as weird as this freaking case is, I'm not sure even poisoned paintballs - y'know, if TD had actually been hit by a paintball - would surprise me.

This is real life and not one CD's books. People simply do not put poison in paintball guns. We might as well speculate that maybe LV and CD really are gods if we're going to speculate that paintball poison was shot at Tammy despite the fact that BB already said he had been shot at with a gun that had a silencer on it that looked like a paintball gun.

 

[Mitch1]

Body found on Blackfeet Indian Reservation Tuesday morning

No sure if it is related though

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

Okay, catching up here... still in the weeds! I was thinking about this last night while trying to fall asleep (go figure...lol)

Serious Question, to the poster who was raised in Chads offshoot group beliefs, IIRC Utahutah or anyone else here or reading this, who has been in this Prepper group near Chad, say the Idaho/Utah/Yellowstone area's.... People who have been to meetings or on camping trips etc.

Is there a location you can think of, maybe off the tracks a bit where you have met up, maybe a place with just a few rugged Cabins, or sheds set up for processing Deer meat or other forest Animals that members have hunted/ skinned (sorry I don't totally know the terminology)??? Maybe near a water source, stream/ lake. I'm thinking slightly off the beaten path, but still the same general area that Chad would know? Maybe near a Church or Temple a place holy to the preppers?

The reason I ask, is because as I've said before, the MOST important thing is finding those kids, JJ and Tylee. I feel like this area could have been used either to dispose of the remains or (sadly less likely IMO) hide them. I believe Chad is the local expert in terms of good area's so to speak, since LV/ AC/ MB had just moved up there. He would look for a place that is desolate/ safe enough... where he knew the times and spots people were less likely to be visiting. By the way I DO NOT believe the majority of this prepper group knew anything about or condoned any of CD and LV's actions. But your knowledge of local cabins/ Campgrounds specifically used by this group could be INVALUABLE!

Sorry if this seems out of the blue, but again could be really important for LE right now, before the charges start getting filed!

 

[mickey2942]

Why does Madison County have her checked in as Vallow? She never changed her legal name to Daybell? Daybell shouldn't be an alias if she's legally married, unless she wanted to keep the Vallow name. That's very doubtful, IMO. I confused.

I am married, but I have never changed my legal name, on any government documents. So, Lori would be checked into jail with the last name used on most recent government document, such as drivers license, passport.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Another interesting piece of information.
"Five days after the post was emailed to AVOW subscribers, Chad married Lori Vallow on a Hawaii beach. Court documents show he received $430,000 in life insurance money after Tammy died. Multiple sources say the funds came from several policies and Chad made “significant” increases to at least one policy before Tammy passed away."
Life insurance increase, quick burial and other 'weird' things Chad Daybell's friends noticed | East Idaho News

(Ok, Nevermind that I'm confused about how Chad would make significant increases to Tammy's life insurance policies...)I know that I would certainly make significant increases to my husband's life insurance policies (if that is a thing?) if I received multiple visions about his early death.

 

[alter idem]

This is real life and not one CD's books. People simply do not put poison in paintball guns. We might as well speculate that maybe LV and CD really are gods if we're going to speculate that paintball poison was shot at Tammy despite the fact that BB already said he had been shot at with a gun that had a silencer on it that looked like a paintball gun.

Also, I thought that the person just pointed the 'gun' at her, it was not loaded, so no 'bullet', therefore I'm unsure of the speculation that she was shot with a poison bullet? But Brandon's shooter did have a real gun with real regular bullets, since it shattered a window, am I right in that? I'll have to check the timeline to make sure.

 

[alter idem]

Why does Madison County have her checked in as Vallow? She never changed her legal name to Daybell? Daybell shouldn't be an alias if she's legally married, unless she wanted to keep the Vallow name. That's very doubtful, IMO. I confused.

IMO, I'm still not sure the marriage on the beach was legal, with a license and all. Websleuthers found other marriage licenses but I don't recall ever seeing one for the marriage between Chad and Lori in Hawaii.

 

[Nurse Gen]

Body found on Blackfeet Indian Reservation Tuesday morning

No sure if it is related though

I really really hope it's not

 

[mickey2942]

Okay, catching up here... still in the weeds! I was thinking about this last night while trying to fall asleep (go figure...lol)

Serious Question, to the poster who was raised in Chads offshoot group beliefs, IIRC Utahutah or anyone else here or reading this, who has been in this Prepper group near Chad, say the Idaho/Utah/Yellowstone area's.... People who have been to meetings or on camping trips etc.

Is there a location you can think of, maybe off the tracks a bit where you have met up, maybe a place with just a few rugged Cabins, or sheds set up for processing Deer meat or other forest Animals that members have hunted/ skinned (sorry I don't totally know the terminology)??? Maybe near a water source, stream/ lake. I'm thinking slightly off the beaten path, but still the same general area that Chad would know? Maybe near a Church or Temple a place holy to the preppers?

The reason I ask, is because as I've said before, the MOST important thing is finding those kids, JJ and Tylee. I feel like this area could have been used either to dispose of the remains or (sadly less likely IMO) hide them. I believe Chad is the local expert in terms of good area's so to speak, since LV/ AC/ MB had just moved up there. He would look for a place that is desolate/ safe enough... where he knew the times and spots people were less likely to be visiting. By the way I DO NOT believe the majority of this prepper group knew anything about or condoned any of CD and LV's actions. But your knowledge of local cabins/ Campgrounds specifically used by this group could be INVALUABLE!

Sorry if this seems out of the blue, but again could be really important for LE right now, before the charges start getting filed!

There are actually tons of places like that, in Idaho, Montana area. Off the beaten path, that only people who actually "know" where they are can find the places. Often, no cell service, so no GPS coverage.

Usually these places are on BLM land, but no one really notices. Being on forest service land is usually more monitored.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Rexburg woman recounts encounter with Chad Daybell during flight to Mesa in September

SEPTEMBER 19,2019

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Kim Powell on Twitter


[URL='https://twitter.com/KimPowellTV']Kim Powell
@KimPowellTV[/URL]

Lori Vallow’s time in Kauai is dwindling. She will be on a plane to #Idaho tonight. She is invoking her 5th amendment rights and will not be answering any questions during the trip back. #azfamily



6:07 PM · Mar 4, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

I'm totally in agreement that there are many more sensible, efficient ways to go about poisoning someone, but technically, it's possible. Poison darts are a thing, as are substances that poison through skin contact. Poison paintballs, imo, wouldn't be very practical, but they'd make an excellent story - or distraction. Who would think to link the two?

The other thing I was thinking... maybe not involving the paintball incident, but rather the timing, which IIRC was 10 days prior to death?

Both CV and TD had an incident around 10 days prior, lets say they were exposed to the Mercury poisoning I was referring to earlier. If Chad and or Lori had exposed them to this, they would not only be expecting death around that time, but could easily plan an alibi or situation with witnesses making them look entirely innocent at actual time of death.... LIKE say AlexC, he died of very unusual circumstances right around 10 days after LV and CD flew to Hawaii....

Here's the link on that type of Mercury Poison:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethylmercury
From link, "Dimethylmercury ((CH3)2Hg) is an organomercury compound. A highly volatile, reactive, flammable, and colorless liquid, dimethylmercury is one of the strongest known neurotoxins, with a quantity of less than 0.1 mL capable of inducing severe mercury poisoning, and is easily absorbed through the skin. Dimethylmercury is capable of permeating many materials, including plastic and rubber compounds.[2] It has a slightly sweet odor, although inhaling enough of the chemical to notice this would be hazardous"

With latex gloves, a person will still be subject to exposure, but it could be months rather then direct skin contact which has been shown to be fatal in days.

MOO,JMO.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Rexburg woman recounts encounter with Chad Daybell during flight to Mesa in September

SEPTEMBER 19,2019

The Valley? San Tan Valley?

The woman said Daybell planned to help a relative in the Valley. A woman who needed to remodel her home.

"He said I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back," said the woman.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

from the article linked in quote. A couple things I didn’t know.

1. After first saying he didn’t know Lori’s number.
2. They flew to Kauai on December 1. Plenty of time to have gone to Vegas for the weddings as well. Wonder if they were there. Did we ever see who witnessed melani’s ceremony?

———-
A short time later, Chad tried to drive away but was stopped by a detective and admitted he did know his wife’s number.

Investigators returned the next day with a search warrant. On Dec. 1, Chad and Lori Daybell caught an American Airlines flight to Lihue, Hawaii without the children.

New article has some interesting new information.
Chad apparently told his son that he met Lori in Hawaii when he went there for a business trip.
“We were talking about how his family is doing and he told me his dad remarried,” she says. “I thought it was a joke because he kind of laughed about it afterward. I laughed and he said, ‘No, I’m serious. My dad went to Hawaii on a business trip and met a widow and they just got married.'”
Life insurance increase, quick burial and other 'weird' things Chad Daybell's friends noticed | East Idaho News

ETA: @Gardener1850 I think we might need Dec 1st in your awesome timeline.

 

[LHS]

The Valley? San Tan Valley?

The woman said Daybell planned to help a relative in the Valley. A woman who needed to remodel her home.

"He said I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back," said the woman.

People from Arizona tend to refer to the phoenix area as "The Valley". (I grew up in AZ)