Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

[des2021]

The problem is, Psycho/ Sociopathic Narcissists DO commit suicide, they see this as a way out of facing any consequences for their actions, and have a complete disregard for the family and friends who love them and would be deeply hurt by it.

Off the top of my head I can think of two just in the past few yrs. Epstein and Israel Keyes.... although both of them were already in jail when they did it... so really I suppose it could happen there too.
JMO, I hope I'm wrong!

This worries me too. They think the world is gonna end anyways & that they will be reincarnated or something like that. And if that happens (suicide) then Tylee J.J., and the families will never get justice. MOO

 

[des2021]

The problem is, Psycho/ Sociopathic Narcissists DO commit suicide, they see this as a way out of facing any consequences for their actions, and have a complete disregard for the family and friends who love them and would be deeply hurt by it.

Off the top of my head I can think of two just in the past few yrs. Epstein and Israel Keyes.... although both of them were already in jail when they did it... so really I suppose it could happen there too.
JMO, I hope I'm wrong!

This worries me too. They think the world is gonna end anyways & that they will be reincarnated or something like that. And if that happens (suicide) then Tylee J.J., and the families will never get justice.

 

[idaidaidaho]

To me the question is, did Lori and Chad use their (relatively hidden) religious beliefs to justify multiple murders?

They could have. I posted a little bit earlier on this. I'm new here so I'm not sure how to link.

Edited to add: I think this is it: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

 

[JosefZ]

To me the question is, did Lori and Chad use their (relatively hidden) religious beliefs to justify multiple murders?

I’m torn about their motive. Do they really believe what they espouse? I think LV is a manipulator, using her ‘powers’ over men to get her way. I look at CD and get the impression he couldn’t fix his own lawn mower if it failed to start and he’s the next target in her game? What do you think? MOO

 

[Nurse Gen]

They could have. I posted a little bit earlier on this. I'm new here so I'm not sure how to link.

Edited to add: I think this is it: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

You did it-I was able to read it

 

[JosefZ]

I’m taking A91’s advice and going to bed. All on this thread are awesome. This is just a suggestion, but some music by Steve Roach will calm anyone down. He’s an amazing ambient musician. MOO

 

[jjenny]

This worries me too. They think the world is gonna end anyways & that they will be reincarnated or something like that. And if that happens (suicide) then Tylee J.J., and the families will never get justice.

Translated beings can't die, so why would she attempt suicide?

 

[jjenny]

I took it from the phone interview GH did with larry. he stated that because him and kay were older that Charles is kays younger brother.
but I cant find kays age specifically.
in this article larry states he is almost 73 and that's the reason Charles and lori adopted JJ because they would make great parents being younger.

Due to the fact that I am almost 73 years of age and we felt that because of the age difference, the fact that Charles and Lori at that time were the absolute perfect parents,” says Larry Woodcock, ‘JJ’s grandfather.
Grandparents of One of the Missing Rexburg Kids Speaks to KPVI


moo

Larry is quite a bit older than Kay.

 

[idaidaidaho]

I’m torn about their motive. Do they really believe what they espouse? I think LV is a manipulator, using her ‘powers’ over men to get her way. I look at CD and get the impression he couldn’t fix his own lawn mower if it failed to start and he’s the next target in her game? What do you think? MOO

Lori's a curious one for me. I didn't realize she grew up LDS until I read about her childhood in an article. Even though she belonged to a faithful family and attended seminary, her life choices after high school abandon the mainstream mormon path of: mission, temple marriage, babies, raise a family, serve another mission as empty nesters, become mission presidents, die & go to heaven. (Slightly tongue in cheek, but that's the UT/ID/AZ stereotype. It's how my life went for the most part [minus the dying!] And most of my family members' lives as well.)

She's had multiple non-member husbands, never seems to have 'made it' to the temple, children from different fathers, etc. It's definitely not a typical mormon life story. Charles and his family say she seriously changed when she got into the end of times stuff. I'd be really curious to know what her church activity looked like before then. I don't think Charles or his family belonged to the church and I imagine she was inactive when she married him. It was her longest marriage so I'd wager they were fairly happy until she got involved with the extreme stuff.

Anyway, she just doesn't fit any of the profiles I have based on the people I grew up with and know through the LDS AVOW community. I am afraid she has some kind of undiagnosed personality disorder. I don't know what her motivations might be.

Edited to add: Another thing that stands out to me is that most of the people I know personally who get really into the 'chosen one' stuff are from very privileged backgrounds in their mormon communities. They come from 'general authority' stock and believe they have been very blessed because of their righteousness. They are proud of their pioneer heritage and have a certain brand of proud-humility about them... they talk a LOT about being thankful for god's blessings. These are the types of people IME who end up feeling like they're future prophets... not women with a messy marriage/divorce history and kids from different fathers. Not that redemption doesn't play a part in everyone's life story... it's just another difference I've noticed from the (I'm sorry to armchair diagnose) raging narcissists in my life who claim to have been grand beings in their past lives.

Chad is far easier for me to understand. He was raised LDS and walked the walk and talked the talk. I think he truly believes the things he's written and prophesied about, though I agree he doesn't *look* like the sharpest tool in the shed, especially lately in the news. What I don't know is why he abandoned the mainstream LDS path (married in the temple, kids mostly raised) to leap off a cliff with Lori. Was it really a mutual belief in these extreme things? Has she pulled one over on him? Is it a massive midlife crisis combined with some developing diagnosed mental issues? Did the 'specialness' he grew up with in the church give him delusions of grandeur? So many questions.

 

[KonaHonu]

Nate Eaton - Reporter
· 2 hrs ·

A Hawaiian man working for Dateline flew in to Idaho last night and gave Larry and Kay Woodcock these leis. His wife made them for J.J. and Tylee. They wanted to be sure the Woodcocks know Hawaiians are standing behind them. Kay is holding out hope that one day the children will get to wear them. (Press pool photo)

Nate Eaton - Reporter

OMG! That's incredible. I am so proud to share these islands with people like this guy!

 

[tealrose]

I can't freaking believe she rolled her eyes at the camera. The nerve.

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

Chad has not been excommunicated, but I hope he is in the future.

Thanks!
I swear I read he had.... but maybe it was just someone assuming he had been?

 

[squareandrabbet]

They could have. I posted a little bit earlier on this. I'm new here so I'm not sure how to link.

Edited to add: I think this is it: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

Hi again; just wondering, did we introduce you to these people yet? I can't recall if yes or no:

A look at the religious circle surrounding Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

I find the last paragraph I'll quote particularly chilling in light of the current situation:

One aspect that seemed to fascinate her ex-husband was the idea of multiple mortal probations, Amber said. According to orthodox Latter-day Saint teachings, this life is a test or probation to see if people will live by God’s commandments. But both Chad and Rowe have taught that people can essentially be reincarnated and live multiple times — and have multiple probations — on earth. (Reincarnation is not accepted Latter-day Saint doctrine.)

In some of these groups, tied into this belief is the idea that a man and a woman might be destined to be together, even if that person is married to someone else. Like multiple probations, this is not a Latter-day Saint belief.

Contrary to LDS norms, Amber said her husband began to take another married woman to a Latter-day Saint temple to receive revelation from God. Temples are places of worship for Latter-day Saints where members perform marriage ceremonies and do spiritual work.

“These people go to the temple and make promises to be together,” Amber said. “They pray about it and feel like they are getting answers.”

In interviews with other former members of these groups, some said things went beyond just temple trips. One east Idaho man, who asked not to be identified, told EastIdahoNews.com that during his time in a group, he was approached by someone who claimed to have received personal revelation that he was supposed to marry the man’s wife.

(According to the church, personal revelation is meant “to help you with your specific needs, responsibilities and questions” often “through the whisperings of the Holy Ghost” — and is not generally given in behalf of other people.)

Amber said her former husband became convinced he was living a higher spiritual law than other members of the church.

“There is a train of thought, that they think that they are living a higher law and are better than anyone else,” Amber said. “That they are living the way Jesus wants them to during the Millennium, and if you disagree with their beliefs, they just tell you you don’t understand the law or you’re not ready.”

 

[Randocalrissian]

Asked before but... The two men sitting behind her at the upper left of the pic... Are these two of CD's kids? The red haired man literally rubber-necked when the judge said each count (child abandonment) carries max 14yrs.... He looks like Chad to me, and I'm thinking he may not have realized exactly what LV was being charged with.
Guy here:
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No. No. None of Chads kids were there.

 

[idaidaidaho]

Hi again; just wondering, did we introduce you to these people yet? I can't recall if yes or no:
<snip>
“There is a train of thought, that they think that they are living a higher law and are better than anyone else,” Amber said. “That they are living the way Jesus wants them to during the Millennium, and if you disagree with their beliefs, they just tell you you don’t understand the law or you’re not ready.”

I know both women and their real names! It was an excellent article and they were so brave to speak out. They're part of the reason I finally dared post over here. They're spot on. "Jessica" posted on her social media about flying out and doing another interview about this, I haven't seen it surface yet though... or if it has, maybe her spots didn't make the cut.

I think it's important to point out again that so many people who believe this way are so quiet about it, you'd never know. They aren't standing on street corners broadcasting that they're the new John the Baptist. There's not a lot that would raise red flags. (Lori and Chad's many, many flags aside!) No one in my family or circle would ever say outright that they were better than anyone else. They have this deep humility about them, and it invites confidence and respect. When my parents felt they couldn't answer one of my questions, I'd hear, "It's very sacred, we can't tell you yet. But keep reading your scriptures, keep praying, and someday you'll be ready." It never felt like a put down (even though in retrospect it absolutely was). It actually made me feel more special that they thought someday I'd be ready for this new special information.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Oops, sorry I should have made my post more clear... I knew that already about Chads kids. That same article struck me b/c of the "bad things" comment... but thats another matter.

What I meant was, I wonder what the relationship of those two men sitting behind Lori was to her, because if they were not Chads kids, and sitting in the second row usually reserved for close friends and family who were they. Just curious, b/c their reactions were so strong.

Would they have been the FBI? They looked a little young to me, but then so did the pitbull in heels and she had at least ten years of experience under her belt. MOO

I thought they were part of Lori's legal team. When reading the first count of the charges the judge said that Lori was facing 4 (not 14) years in prison for child abandonment. IMO they reacted to that mistake.

I thought maybe they were Chad’s lawyers.

 

[KonaHonu]

Shaking my d**n head! I figured this would happen with the lower bail amount and Chad having the 10%. Let’s hope the FBI or Arizona has more in store for this dynamic duo and they get picked up tomorrow.

It makes me ill to think that possibly tonight or tomorrow the two of them will be celebrating her release and the kids are still missing. This truly is not normal maternal behavior.

I can’t even ...

It will be interesting to know if he forked over $1ook to a bondsman or just guaranteed $1M himself.

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

They could have. I posted a little bit earlier on this. I'm new here so I'm not sure how to link.

Edited to add: I think this is it: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #25

idaidaidaho,
I don't know if you you saw it (and I'm not caught up on the last thread yet) but, I was hoping you maybe knew about potential campgrounds/tent city locations or remote wooded spots maybe with a cabin, kinda near a church or stream where these groups have gone or go? Even on private land??
The area is sooo vast, and there seem to be a million potential places for these groups... But I believe if Chad had a specific spot, that was important, secure and secret to him, he may have chosen it for JJ and Tylee, alive or dead?!

You know so much about these groups, I thought maybe you would have some idea's. Possibly in Idaho, or Utah, any surrounding state that's a reasonable drive for CD.

MOO.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

An Idaho Falls BB company tells us they’re trying to work w/ Lori Vallow’s reps. There are obstacles.

- Vallow needs to prove she has $1M in assets
- Bond company’s insurance needs to assess risk
- $100K (10%) needs to be wired to account of bondsman which could take 24 hours.

 

[Hrh_LadyJ]

I’m torn about their motive. Do they really believe what they espouse? I think LV is a manipulator, using her ‘powers’ over men to get her way. I look at CD and get the impression he couldn’t fix his own lawn mower if it failed to start and he’s the next target in her game? What do you think? MOO

I've said it a bunch of times as well..... I can see them using Religion as an excuse, but I don't believe it's the cause. This is far more about Greed, Lust and mental illness.

They are both cons and manipulators, they just have slightly different M.O.s
MOO/JMO.