Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

[SuziQ]

Does her hair have weaves in it ? I have been hoping others have asked the question but have missed it if they have?

It looks like it is crimped using a crimping iron.

 

[BigAl16]

For the charge of abandonment under Idaho law they have to be not supported by her or with her for more than a year from what I recall the lawyer saying in court. So, going by September 8 for Tylee and late September for JJ.

But the point is that she wasn't charged with abandonment, she was charged with desertion and non-support of a child. Similiar, but different charges. I think the key is that the desertion charge indicates that the child is dependent on the person being charged for support (to provide food, shelter, etc). My interpretation is that this applies when the parent being charged is the person considered primarily responsible. The custodial parent, if they are divorced, or the only surviving parent in this case. I think the abandonment charge could apply to Lori after a year, but the sentence, IIRC, isn't as bad and certainly not worse. But it would also apply to a non-custodial parent who neglected their duties as a parent. (Not bothering to pay child support, no contact with the child, etc.)

I'll note that both desertion and abandonment mention the possibility of being charged with this for a spouse. I'm not clear when this could or might happen and suspect I'm missing something that would limit it to spouses that don't have the means to survive otherwise due to health, disability, etc. But I could be off base there.

What I keep going back to on the desertion versus abandonment question is logic. If you've got a child of any age (even a newborn or toddler) and you drop them on a street corner and tell them, fend for yourself, I'll be back in 10 months to pick you up, should that be against the law?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The parents, the parents, the parents. We all really really want to know. They are very strong anti-msm people. And lots of anti-government history in their pasts. But we know so little. Three of their children are dead (one at birth). Of the three still alive, we have Lori, a brother who is seemingly distancing himself from supporting LOri, and the one sister who did come to the custody hearing of Lori's niece, MBP. I just don't think we have much more. In my private desire for justice and payback...I guess I hope that the FBI's involvement might bring the parents back into the picture!!!

We have all had different thoughts opinions. My opinion is that it has something to do with stand up comedy --which he has done. Alex was even on a radio program with his brother Adam, who declares his brother Alex is THE real funny one!! There is a website called Quint that does have a lot of weird stuff on it...but also includes stuff on comedy.

I have changed my mind. Am now feeling quite strongly that his CPQUINT is in fact Captain Quint from Jaws, as others have suggested. There are lots of very interesting quotes of dear Captain Quint, and here is one of them: " Quint: Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy." "Quint: I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no mates, there's just too many captains on this island. $10,000 for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing."

 

[Sticksandspades]

But the point is that she wasn't charged with abandonment, she was charged with desertion and non-support of a child. Similiar, but different charges. I think the key is that the desertion charge indicates that the child is dependent on the person being charged for support (to provide food, shelter, etc). My interpretation is that this applies when the parent being charged is the person considered primarily responsible. The custodial parent, if they are divorced, or the only surviving parent in this case. I think the abandonment charge could apply to Lori after a year, but the sentence, IIRC, isn't as bad and certainly not worse. But it would also apply to a non-custodial parent who neglected their duties as a parent. (Not bothering to pay child support, no contact with the child, etc.)

I'll note that both desertion and abandonment mention the possibility of being charged with this for a spouse. I'm not clear when this could or might happen and suspect I'm missing something that would limit it to spouses that don't have the means to survive otherwise due to health, disability, etc. But I could be off base there.

What I keep going back to on the desertion versus abandonment question is logic. If you've got a child of any age (even a newborn or toddler) and you drop them on a street corner and tell them, fend for yourself, I'll be back in 10 months to pick you up, should that be against the law?

Good point:

Here is the statute on desertion.....notice this in in the crimes and punishment section, where as the abandonment definition is in the Juvenile section. For that to pertain, I think the children would need to be present.

TITLE 18
CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
CHAPTER 4
ABANDONMENT OR NONSUPPORT OF WIFE OR CHILDREN
18-401. DESERTION AND NONSUPPORT OF CHILDREN OR SPOUSE. Every person who:
(1) Having any child under the age of eighteen (18) years dependent upon him or her for care, education or support, deserts such child in any manner whatever, with intent to abandon it;
(2) Willfully omits, without lawful excuse, to furnish necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical attendance for his or her child or children, or ward or wards; provided however, that the practice of a parent or guardian who chooses for his child treatment by prayer or spiritual means alone shall not for that reason alone be construed to be a violation of the duty of care to such child;
(3) Having sufficient ability to provide for a spouse’s support, or who is able to earn the means for such spouse’s support, who willfully abandons and leaves a spouse in a destitute condition, or who refuses or neglects to provide such spouse with necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical attendance, unless by the spouse’s misconduct he or she is justified in abandoning him or her;
Shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punishable by a fine of not more than five hundred dollars ($500), or by imprisonment for not to exceed fourteen (14) years, or both.
History:
[I.C., sec. 18-401, as added by 1972, ch. 336, sec. 1, p. 859; am. 1972, ch. 381, sec. 8, p. 1089; am. 2000, ch. 294, sec. 1, p. 1011.]

 

[Nurse Gen]

I have changed my mind. Am now feeling quite strongly that his CPQUINT is in fact Captain Quint from Jaws, as others have suggested. There are lots of very interesting quotes of dear Captain Quint, and here is one of them: " Quint: Y'all know me. Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy." "Quint: I don't want no volunteers, I don't want no mates, there's just too many captains on this island. $10,000 for me by myself. For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing."

IIRC AxC has a gambling problem

Glossary of Poker Hands

Could CP Quint be his last initial plus poker slang for a Straight Flush which beats everything except a Royal Flush? Not sure what the P would stand for b/c the License Tag on his truck would seem to predate his adding Pastenes to his name JMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I inserted this photo above directly from the FBI website. I truly believe the photo has been cropped on the right side (Alex side) and also perhaps the top, if you click on the photo, you can see a slim white border on the bottom and the left side, but it is absent from the right, and the top.

I can't find the post right now, but someone upstream also mentioned they think there was someone to Alex's left (perhaps talking with that person) whose identity we don't know...yet.

It may be that there was a fifth person at Yellowstone that day. Someone who left with Tylee.

Another thing that bugs me about the photo above. It doesn't look posed at all. And it's weird for a candid shot. The focus of the photographer does seem to be Tylee. She's the only one looking at the camera. Is this or was this supposed to be some "proof of life" photo for use at a later date?

This is an outstanding observation. I had felt it was cropped so weirdly, but I think I was just so emotionally taken by the photograph that I didn't pay attention. It does appear to be obviously cropped. Why? I felt the "timing" of the release of this photo was strategic, on the day Lori arrived back in Idaho. I believe that the FBI has encouraged all photos from that day be sent to them---so my guess is that they are trying to match who is NOT in this photo as well as Tylee and JJ.

 

[BigAl16]

RSBM That is a new twist I haven't heard verified, that Lori had some connections with FLDS.

IMO (totally JMO) a possible FLDS or other polygamous connection keeps popping up, not because there is anything to indicate this, but because when people think Mormon splinter groups, these are the most visible and well known examples of a Mormon splinter group most people know. Between the long history of these and the recent TV shows focusing on this, not to mention the majority of stories about Mormon splinter groups to make the news, especially outside of the Jello Belt, it isn't surprising. But there really hasn't been any indication thus far that polygamy is one of the things whatever the groups Chad and Lori are known to be involved with are into. Or sex trafficking (with or without polygamy), for that matter. I don't think we can totally rule either out, but they don't seem very likely from what we've learned thus far.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

From Family Tree website> public records > addresses, CV has a PO Box listed in Sugar City, Idaho from March to October 2019. It's the same address that LVD has listed now as her current address, and the same address listed by AxC. Did he set this up? Doubtful. And what was it being used for?

We have had lots of discussion surrounding this post office box... but I have never seen those exact dates! How did you get those dates????? They say a lot. We had surmised that Lori wanted stuff that might come to Charles to be diverted to that PO Box. And the timing--right after her mysterious 56 day absence. Did you find the other name on the PO Box as well?????

 

[BigAl16]

Perhaps a non-involved tourist is in the frame? That would be my thought.

That would certainly be one logical interpretation. If so, does the FBI know who that person is? (If not, I'd think they might want to figure it out.)

MOO

 

[squareandrabbet]

As for the separate door entrance/exit out of courtroom, it’s not uncommon for cases like this. High profile, high tensions, lots of people, etc. I know a family member of the amber guyger trial not too long ago. He told me all had to go through a separate entry and exit to minimize any issues that could arise during/after court hearings.

The only problem I have with this is, as per posts from yesterday, the only way to walk Lori out of the courtroom appears to be to parade her past the first row of the gallery - on the inside.

???

I guess in Rexburg, either gallery members never jump to wring prisoners' necks, or prisoners never attack gallery members?

So BB has been the most vocal about "The Cult".
I was surprised to see in the timeline that LVD, AxC and MB/MP(LVD's neice) all had rented apartments in the same Rexburg complex. Also surprised to see that AxC's sudden marriage to ZP in LV was followed by MB's sudden marriage days later also in LV. With these people's chaotic lives spanning several states, I'm trying to understand how they even had time to find someone bereft of any sense to marry them.
Think about this... not only were people dying, being harassed and shot at...
Children were vanishing and yet there were 3 weddings inside of 2 months.
Ok, it's definitely dysfunctional, criminal, and weird... but who exactly is "The Cult".
CD seems to write books based on his mental illness, and that has a following.
And sure there are other people who make money off of the same industry, so they play together... that's not necessarily a Cult.
As far as I can tell, "The Cult" IS what swirls around LVD.
So that's CD, MP, and who else?
Am I missing something here?

Other things that stand out:
Why was LVD constantly checking with LIFE for a school JJ was withdrawn from?
I'm impressed with the speed of how probate and life Insurance companies were contacted and/or paid out.
Surprised that none of the dead were cremated.
Really want to hear more from BB and his PI on why he is certain MP knows where the missing children are.
Seen a number of posts on blogs that people think the children are with other "family" members.
What other family members?

Welcome!! Great post. Still chuckling at "how they even had time to find someone bereft of any sense to marry them".

To answer the questions I know I can answer, it seems to me that "The Cult" is currently comprised of a circle of extremists from the AVOW (A Voice of Warning) and PaP (Preparing a People).

I think CD is the most famous person in this subset; and that he came by this status because he has published so many of the others (Hector Sosa; Julie Rowe; others we may not yet know of).

I also think there's scant evidence to say that Chad has always been more "extra" than Lori; though in a different way.

He's, at minimum, pushy in his status as author and publisher; if not exactly dynamic.

I fully believe that he believes his own books; and that this is currently a dangerous mental place to be.

He certainly doesn't seem to have had as much experience disposing of spouses; Lori is a tougher nut to crack.

She's not nearly as devout; or wasn't, IMO.

Her first marriage was reportedly to a non-LDS teen swain, and swiftly annulled by her family.

If I had to guess, I would say that Lori has always felt out of place in her life, neither religious enough for Mormons nor comfortable enough being a (by LDS standards) worldly freak.

We also know from his sister Kay, that ironically, Charles Vallow saw Lori as the be-all and end-all of LDS propriety, and in fact converted to LDS for Lori. CV did not, in fact, worry about anything Lori said about the LDS Church, until she started saying she was a translated being/god and had been sent to kill him; and that Charles was not simply "Charles" anymore, but that he had been body-snatched and replaced with someone named "Nick Schneider" ).

The overwhelming majority of Lori's past spouses, when they have not simply been killed outright, seem to have gone down in a blaze of accusations of domestic violence. This has led people to believe that not only is this "Lori's playbook"; but that Lori has opened and shared her playbook of tactics to rope in her niece Melani, who is employing similar scorched-earth smear tactics in her attempts to break from former spouse Brandon (when killing doesn't work, say they beat up or sexually assault you or your shared children!).

Lastly, it seems pretty clear and obvious that Chad "led" Lori into this current state of mind.

Irrespective of anything else, it is he who knew the infrastructure (AVOW, PaP, etc.) and its key players with F2F intimacy, to the point where all of the key players appear to consider Chad's words "as good as" if they were spoken by a divinity, to the point where they are willing to hang their hats on this in public ("Chad says this is a custody debate? Okee dokee!").

IMO, "The Cult" swirls around "Publisher and Motivational Speaker" Chad, not Lori. Without Chad, Lori's just another second-class divorced Mormon woman (paraphrase of Lori's Hawaii friend April from Dateline).

Chad's good at the talkin'; Lori's good at the killin'.

As for the "with other family members" contingent, these people are IMO delusional and have not so much as an inch of wooden pegleg to stand upon.

We know from several family members and all the things that we're seeing behind the scenes, that LE has interviewed and searched the property with everyone with any type of familial connection to Lori and/or Chad that they can locate.

None of these people are criminal masterminds, and none of them have done a good job of hiding their whereabouts, because well, they weren't expecting to have to.

They have found and (presumably, since they know where to find all these people) searched the homes of Colby Ryan, Melanie B-P, Brandon Boudreaux, Melanie Gibb (friend), Zulema Pastenes (AxC's widow of 10 days), Lori's surviving sister Summer, Lori's surviving brother AdC (estranged and making no bones about it), at least one of Chad's brothers (IIRC the youngest, Matthew, who has given a press statement denouncing these latest developments and stating they, too, have been estranged for some time); Lori's parents (Cox family); Chad's parents; Tammy Daybell's parents (Douglas family, as per our VI @Maxxer500, who also said, at minimum, that their own home had been searched for the children IIRC); and any of the Daybell children's residences.

So... where are the kids, oh dear "Family has them", contingent?

 

[Nosurprise]

Section 16-1602 – Idaho State Legislature

TITLE 16
JUVENILE PROCEEDINGS
CHAPTER 16
CHILD PROTECTIVE ACT
16-1602. DEFINITIONS. For purposes of this chapter:
(1) "Abused" means any case in which a child has been the victim of:
(a) Conduct or omission resulting in skin bruising, bleeding, malnutrition, burns, fracture of any bone, head injury, soft tissue swelling, failure to thrive or death, and such condition or death is not justifiably explained, or where the history given concerning such condition or death is at variance with the degree or type of such condition or death, or the circumstances indicate that such condition or death may not be the product of an accidental occurrence; or
(b) Sexual conduct, including rape, molestation, incest, prostitution, obscene or pornographic photographing, filming or depiction for commercial purposes, human trafficking as defined in section 18-8602, Idaho Code, or other similar forms of sexual exploitation harming or threatening the child’s health or welfare or mental injury to the child.
(2) "Abandoned" means the failure of the parent to maintain a normal parental relationship with his child including, but not limited to, reasonable support or regular personal contact. Failure to maintain this relationship without just cause for a period of one (1) year shall constitute prima facie evidence of abandonment.
(3) "Adaptive equipment" means any piece of equipment or any item that is used to increase, maintain or improve the parenting capabilities of a parent with a disability.
(4) "Adjudicatory hearing" means a hearing to determine:
(a) Whether the child comes under the jurisdiction of the court pursuant to the provisions of this chapter;
(b) Whether continuation of the child in the home would be contrary to the child’s welfare and whether the best interest of the child requires protective supervision or vesting legal custody of the child in an authorized agency.
(5) "Age of developmentally appropriate" means:
(a) Activities that are generally accepted as suitable for children of the same chronological age or level of maturity or that are determined to be developmentally appropriate for a child, based on the development of cognitive, emotional, physical and behavioral capacities that are typical for an age or age group; and
(b) In the case of a specific child, activities or items that are suitable for the child based on the developmental stages attained by the child with respect to the cognitive, emotional, physical and behavioral capacities of the child.
(6) "Aggravated circumstances" includes, but is not limited to:
(a) Circumstances in which the parent has engaged in any of the following:
(i) Abandonment, chronic abuse or chronic neglect of the child. Chronic neglect or chronic abuse of a child shall consist of abuse or neglect that is so extreme or repetitious as to indicate that return of the child to the home would result in unacceptable risk to the health and welfare of the child.
(ii) Sexual abuse against a child of the parent. Sexual abuse, for the purposes of this section, includes any conduct described in section 18-1506, 18-1506A, 18-1507, 18-1508, 18-1508A, 18-6101, 18-6608 or 18-8602, Idaho Code.
(iii) Torture of a child; any conduct listed in section 18-8303(1), Idaho Code; battery or an injury to a child that results in serious or great bodily injury to a child; voluntary manslaughter of a child, or aiding or abetting such voluntary manslaughter, soliciting such voluntary manslaughter or attempting or conspiring to commit such voluntary manslaughter;
(b) The parent has committed murder, aided or abetted a murder, solicited a murder or attempted or conspired to commit murder; or
(c) The parental rights of the parent to another child have been terminated involuntarily.
(7) "Authorized agency" means the department, a local agency, a person, an organization, corporation, benevolent society or association licensed or approved by the department or the court to receive children for control, care, maintenance or placement.
(8) "Caregiver" means a foster parent with whom a child in foster care has been placed or a designated official for a child care institution in which a child in foster care has been placed.
(9) "Case plan hearing" means a hearing to approve, modify or reject the case plan as provided in section 16-1621, Idaho Code.
(10) "Child" means an individual who is under the age of eighteen (18) years.
(11) "Child advocacy center" or "CAC" means an organization that adheres to national best practice standards established by the national membership and accrediting body for children’s advocacy centers and that promotes a comprehensive and coordinated multidisciplinary team response to allegations of child abuse by maintaining a child-friendly facility at which appropriate services are provided. These services may include forensic interviews, forensic medical examinations, mental health services and other related victim services.
(12) "Circumstances of the child" includes, but is not limited to, the joint legal custody or joint physical custody of the child.
(13) "Commit" means to transfer legal and physical custody.
(14) "Concurrent planning" means a planning model that prepares for and implements different outcomes at the same time.
(15) "Court" means district court or magistrate’s division thereof, or if the context requires, a magistrate or judge thereof.
(16) "Custodian" means a person, other than a parent or legal guardian, to whom legal or joint legal custody of the child has been given by court order.
(17) "Department" means the department of health and welfare and its authorized representatives.
(18) "Disability" means, with respect to an individual, any mental or physical impairment that substantially limits one (1) or more major life activity of the individual including, but not limited to, self-care, manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, learning or working, or a record of such an impairment, or being regarded as having such an impairment. Disability shall not include transvestism, transsexualism, pedophilia, exhibitionism, voyeurism, other sexual behavior disorders, or substance use disorders, compulsive gambling, kleptomania or pyromania. Sexual preference or orientation is not considered an impairment or disability. Whether an impairment substantially limits a major life activity shall be determined without consideration of the effect of corrective or mitigating measures used to reduce the effects of the impairment.
(19) "Family or household member" shall have the same meaning as in section 39-6303(6), Idaho Code.
(20) "Foster care" means twenty-four (24) hour substitute parental care for children placed away from their parents or guardians by persons who may or may not be related to the children and for whom the state agency has placement and care responsibility.
(21) "Foster parent" means a person or persons licensed to provide foster care.
(22) "Grant administrator" means the supreme court or any organization or agency as may be designated by the supreme court in accordance with such procedures as may be adopted by the supreme court. The grant administrator shall administer funds from the guardian ad litem account in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
(23) "Guardian ad litem" means a person appointed by the court pursuant to a guardian ad litem volunteer program to act as special advocate for a child under this chapter.
(24) "Guardian ad litem coordinator" means a person or entity receiving moneys from the grant administrator for the purpose of carrying out any of the duties set forth in section 16-1632, Idaho Code.
(25) "Guardian ad litem program" means the program to recruit, train and coordinate volunteer persons to serve as guardians ad litem for abused, neglected or abandoned children.
(26) "Homeless," as used in this chapter, shall mean that the child is without adequate shelter or other living facilities, and the lack of such shelter or other living facilities poses a threat to the health, safety or well-being of the child.
(27) "Idaho network of children’s advocacy centers" means an organization that provides education and technical assistance to child advocacy centers and to interagency multidisciplinary teams developed pursuant to section 16-1617, Idaho Code.
(28) "Law enforcement agency" means a city police department, the prosecuting attorney of any county, state law enforcement officers, or the office of a sheriff of any county.
(29) "Legal custody" means a relationship created by court order, which vests in a custodian the following rights and responsibilities:
(a) To have physical custody and control of the child, and to determine where and with whom the child shall live.
(b) To supply the child with food, clothing, shelter and incidental necessities.
(c) To provide the child with care, education and discipline.
(d) To authorize ordinary medical, dental, psychiatric, psychological, or other remedial care and treatment for the child, including care and treatment in a facility with a program of services for children, and to authorize surgery if the surgery is deemed by two (2) physicians licensed to practice in this state to be necessary for the child.
(e) Where the parents share legal custody, the custodian may be vested with the custody previously held by either or both parents.
(30) "Mental injury" means a substantial impairment in the intellectual or psychological ability of a child to function within a normal range of performance and/or behavior, for short or long terms.
(31) "Neglected" means a child:
(a) Who is without proper parental care and control, or subsistence, medical or other care or control necessary for his well-being because of the conduct or omission of his parents, guardian or other custodian or their neglect or refusal to provide them; however, no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone in lieu of medical treatment shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care necessary for his health and well-being, but this subsection shall not prevent the court from acting pursuant to section 16-1627, Idaho Code; or
(b) Whose parents, guardian or other custodian are unable to discharge their responsibilities to and for the child and, as a result of such inability, the child lacks the parental care necessary for his health, safety or well-being; or
(c) Who has been placed for care or adoption in violation of law; or
(d) Who is without proper education because of the failure to comply with section 33-202, Idaho Code.
(32) "Permanency hearing" means a hearing to review, approve, reject or modify the permanency plan of the department, and review reasonable efforts in accomplishing the permanency plan.
(33) "Permanency plan" means a plan for a continuous residence and maintenance of nurturing relationships during the child’s minority.
(34) "Protective order" means an order issued by the court in a child protection case, prior to the adjudicatory hearing, to enable the child to remain in the home pursuant to section 16-1615(8), Idaho Code, or following an adjudicatory hearing to preserve the unity of the family and to ensure the best interests of the child, pursuant to section 16-1619(10), Idaho Code. Such an order shall be in the same form and have the same effect as a domestic violence protection order issued pursuant to chapter 63, title 39, Idaho Code. A protective order shall be for a period not to exceed three (3) months unless otherwise stated in the order.
(35) "Protective supervision" is a legal status created by court order in a child protective case whereby the child is in the legal custody of his or her parent(s), guardian(s) or other legal custodian(s), subject to supervision by the department.
(36) "Psychotropic medication" means a drug prescribed to affect psychological functioning, perception, behavior or mood. Psychotropic medications include, but are not limited to, antidepressants, mood stabilizers, antipsychotics, antianxiety medications, sedatives and stimulants.
(37) "Reasonable and prudent parent standard" means the standard of care characterized by careful and sensible parental decisions that maintain the health, safety and best interests of a child while simultaneously encouraging the emotional and developmental growth of the child that a caregiver shall use when determining whether to allow a child in foster care under the responsibility of the state to participate in extracurricular, enrichment, cultural or social activities.
(38) "Relative" means a child’s grandparent, great grandparent, aunt, great aunt, uncle, great uncle, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, first cousin, sibling and half-sibling.
(39) "Residual parental rights and responsibilities" means those rights and responsibilities remaining with the parents after the transfer of legal custody including, but not necessarily limited to, the right of visitation, the right to consent to adoption, the right to determine religious affiliation, the right to family counseling when beneficial, and the responsibility for support.
(40) "Shelter care" means places designated by the department for temporary care of children pending court disposition or placement.
(41) "Supportive services," as used in this chapter, shall mean services that assist parents with a disability to compensate for those aspects of their disability that affect their ability to care for their child and that will enable them to discharge their parental responsibilities. The term includes specialized or adapted training, evaluations or assistance with effectively using adaptive equipment and accommodations that allow parents with a disability to benefit from other services including, but not limited to, Braille texts or sign language interpreters.

Thank you

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is an outstanding observation. I had felt it was cropped so weirdly, but I think I was just so emotionally taken by the photograph that I didn't pay attention. It does appear to be obviously cropped. Why? I felt the "timing" of the release of this photo was strategic, on the day Lori arrived back in Idaho. I believe that the FBI has encouraged all photos from that day be sent to them---so my guess is that they are trying to match who is NOT in this photo as well as Tylee and JJ.

I just view it as the way it is cropped leaves Tylee and JJ right in the center. It isn't that unusual to crop photos of missing children. Jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Random post: LVD wrecked havoc on CV's final months, from impersonating him to wiping out the bank account. We see the outlines of a larger plan involving MP, CD, MxP, ZP, etc etc. And even if we don't fully understand the end game (I certainly don't), we can see the collateral destruction already wrought. LE has stated they are sifting through a treasure trove of digital information in this case, and that's what I strongly believe is going to bring them down. In the digital world, you can run but you can't hide. With the govt bringing their A game to tracking down this group's digital footprint, I truly feel their days are numbered, and not in the way they hoped.

Agree completely. They just have to be so so careful. One screw-up that appears to violate their rights would set things back so dangerously.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Perhaps a non-involved tourist is in the frame? That would be my thought.

Well...this truly makes sense as well... I think I want the FBI to be sending out secret messages I guess!!!

 

[A little bit intuitive]

Indeed, it's known the FLDS sex trafficked their girl children between compounds in SD, CO, BC Canada, the YFZ ranch in TX, and the Short Creek area in AZ/UT - besides many other likely places. Warren Jeff's and about a dozen other of them went to prison in TX for it, Warren in prison for life, in solitary confinement due to his high profile (likely to be harmed in prison) status. Also good to note for future perps, the prisons don't have AC and not much for heat either. If you know the heat and humidity in TX in the summer you can imagine it's near torture. Avenatti has found that out too, they turn the heat on at the MCC in NYC for an hour at 10pm, and then it hits the mid 40's by morning this winter. brrr! Anyways, my wife thought she was sex trafficked as soon as she heard of the story, but didn't say who. That is a new twist I haven't heard verified, that Lori had some connections with FLDS.

This also was my initial thought also

 

[mzmarple]

It looks like it is crimped using a crimping iron.

You can braid your hair and sleep on it overnight, then take your braids out to achieve a similar look.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

C'mon, no one is going to kidnap or shoot her. (she will get vibed out to high heaven tho, excuse the pun)
She could have a bad ending at her own hand, or abscond, it's true, but I think anything nefarious would be on herself.

i dunno....... these days there are so many crazies out there... we are wanting to know FACTS, others may not feel so patient.

 

[Diddian]

Epstein did, (unless you think he didn't kill himself) ... Lori does put up an excellent air of "I frankly don't give a damn" persona, and she's got a verified cold heart, but the reality of the situation WILL sink in.

Just as it did for Fotis Dulos once he got a good look at just part of what police had in the Arrest Warrant against him, finally realized his "mouth bigger than his brain" lawyer was just blowing smoke in front of mirrors at high hourly rates until the $ ran out and THAT was not going to keep him out of jail in the long run, and his bond was being revoked because it had been revealed as a sham teetering precariously upon collateral in which he had no equity.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

C'mon, no one is going to kidnap or shoot her. (she will get vibed out to high heaven tho, excuse the pun)
She could have a bad ending at her own hand, or abscond, it's true, but I think anything nefarious would be on herself.

i dunno....... these days there are so many crazies out there... we are wanting to know FACTS, others may not feel so patient.

This also was my initial thought also

dbm

 

[Nurse Gen]

That would certainly be one logical interpretation. If so, does the FBI know who that person is? (If not, I'd think they might want to figure it out.)

MOO

IMO this picture and the LE follow up on photos that complement and/or match with it is a fascinating line of inquiry.

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