Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

[fuzzybutter]

Everyone is watching as they are waiting to see when the additional charges will come IMO. You say don't harangue the attorneys then in your last sentence say neither was making their case. So can we only harangue them later when they do make their case or what is your point? This site is for us to discuss and share opinions so that is what we do. MOO.

My point is that the arraignment is not the time for either side to present their cases and arguments. There were many complaints about the prosecution not mentioning every detail of their up coming case and since he didn’t do that he is not up to the task at hand. Also complaints and comments about the defense attorney including the length of her jacket sleeves. The point of the arraignment is to read the charges and deal with any bail issues. At the upcoming preliminary hearing the state will begin to present its case. The judge asked both sides if two weeks enough time to prepare. Neither side will be going into this trial without massive preparation. And this is before the actual trial. Let the process work.

 

[Sorelle19]

We have had lots of discussion surrounding this post office box... but I have never seen those exact dates! How did you get those dates????? They say a lot. We had surmised that Lori wanted stuff that might come to Charles to be diverted to that PO Box. And the timing--right after her mysterious 56 day absence. Did you find the other name on the PO Box as well?????

I followed the link to the Family Tree site posted in an earlier thread and the dates were there. Maybe updated recently? Good time to give a shout-out to the previous work done by posters on this site including Gardener 1850, I'm just standing on their shoulders.

 

[Bellat]

Is Lori allowed visitors at this point? I know Colby said he was going to try and visit her and ask her where Tylee and J.J. are. Does anyone know if he tried to visit her yet? Has Chad visited?

I remember when the judge was reading her her rights.... one of them was that she was allowed to have contact with family members.... that’s not a right we read to people in detainment here in Canada..

 

[Laughing]

What does DBM mean? Is that what one writes for a duplicate post that they want to delete?

I followed the link to the Family Tree site posted in an earlier thread and the dates were there. Maybe updated recently? Good time to give a shout-out to the previous work done by posters on this site including Gardener 1850, I'm just standing on their shoulders.

DBM means Deleted By Me. You can edit your own posts for about an hour. Some posters notice a double post & edit the second one.

Sometimes, a poster realizes that their post doesn't really add to the discussion or the community & edits to delete something.

Best, Laughing

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Indeed, it's known the FLDS sex trafficked their girl children between compounds in SD, CO, BC Canada, the YFZ ranch in TX, and the Short Creek area in AZ/UT - besides many other likely places. Warren Jeff's and about a dozen other of them went to prison in TX for it, Warren in prison for life, in solitary confinement due to his high profile (likely to be harmed in prison) status. Also good to note for future perps, the prisons don't have AC and not much for heat either. If you know the heat and humidity in TX in the summer you can imagine it's near torture. Avenatti has found that out too, they turn the heat on at the MCC in NYC for an hour at 10pm, and then it hits the mid 40's by morning this winter. brrr! Anyways, my wife thought she was sex trafficked as soon as she heard of the story, but didn't say who. That is a new twist I haven't heard verified, that Lori had some connections with FLDS.

i have a couple of questions, since i have not carefully read some of the FLDS posts.
1) Is there truly serious trafficking among compounds or outside compounds? Is this still a big deal, or was it more of a Jeffs thing?
2) Why are we discussing FLDS with Lori? Is the belief that their beliefs are anti-FLDS, or are somehow overlapping in some way to FLDS?
3)Jeffs was in TX.. are there a lot of these FLDS in Tx. Wondered if any near greater Austin or Greater San Antonio??

(sometimes it is hard to catch up on so many pages) TIA.

 

[Charlotte65]

It seems to me that "Not having a Passport" and "Having an Expired Passport" are two very *very* different things indeed. An expired passport is, at the very least, proof of citizenship, and (back in the day) was actually enough to get you on a plane to a few non-US destinations. Obviously, that doesn't fly (so to speak) anymore. But more importantly, an expired passport *also* allows one to do a passport renewal by mail rather than having to show up in person. I don't know if there is some sort of federal red flag that would intercept this *particular* passport renewal at this point, but if not, it would certainly be a lot handier than having to appear in person and stand visibly in line at a passport office …

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I remember when the judge was reading her her rights.... one of them was that she was allowed to have contact with family members.... that’s not a right we read to people in detainment here in Canada..

Well we never used to have pink handcuffs, a makeup set for an IA and valet parking for the perp’s family either... But WTH!

 

[utahobserver]

But

I would think the bullet proof vest would be to keep someone from trying to "take justice into their own hands". She is one hated lady. MOO

She knows where the kids are. Public should be reminded of that. Best interests for JJ & Tylee is to keep Lori protected by LE and to assist LE in all measures of upholding the law.

 

[Monroe2]

Can someome tell me why the grandparents are trying to get custody or guardianship of the kids, and I know I can be.very wrong, those kids are gone, why are they wasting their money on lawyers for this. I just dont get

 

[Teche]

Was Lori’s 1st marriage annulled or was she divorced? I’ve seen it posted both ways on the forum...not sure if it was verified. Thanks for all you do for us.

Thank you for your kind words. I just want to clarify that I am NOT a moderator here. I'm just a very active member.

I wish that we had more details on Lori's employment history but it has been hard to figure out how to put it in the timeline when we don't have any details as to places and dates she worked. There were some more details of some volunteer work that her attorney mentioned in the hearing that I need to go back and grab.

Some info that I think is not in the posted timeline yet (but will be in the next update I post) is info about her high school and her first husband that has come out recently. Here's a link: Exclusive: Lori Vallow Daybell Went from 'Devout' Cheerleader to 'a Mystery,' High School Friend Says

What I find interesting is that she talked about going to college at BYU but she never went to college. Instead she married a non-Mormon and that marriage ended in divorce. I would love to know how her parents reacted to her first marriage and divorce and what they had offered her (or not offered her) as far as support to go to college. Lori's parents have been completely silent in all of this chaos-- not once have they spoken to the press and no one has really even talked about her parents in the press either except for that high school friend in the above link. Many have taken that as a sign that they are possibly supportive of her. But what if Lori's parents basically cut her off (money-wise) when she made the choice to marry a non-Mormon instead of going to college?

We see them all together (Lori with her siblings and her parents) in a photo at Lori and Charles' house-- the house where Colby got married in the backyard-- but what if Lori parents only reconnected with her after she married Charles and he converted to be Mormon too? Maybe they finally gave Lori the approval she was wanting so she has kept up this charade of being religious since then. I'm rambling a bit but this all ties into Lori's employment history. The following is my speculation only: I think she grew up with money but was possibly cut off from that family money and the lifestyle she was accustomed to after she chose to get married to her high school sweetheart rather than go to BYU. The marriage ended in divorce and she was probably left desperate for a high-priced lifestyle again.

There were not many careers options for a woman in the 1990's with only a high school degree who doesn't want to do any manual labor and has no past office-work history. She didn't have a HS job, as far as we know, and didn't do volunteer work in HS or belong to any academic clubs that would have given her transferable job skills and business connections. She's not tech-savvy, despite growing up in a time when computers were beginning to take over everything. And she left her hometown after her 1st marriage ended. I think she chose cosmetology because looking good was what she knew how to do best, it didn't involve any special skills and didn't cost a lot to get started. Plus, it allowed her to meet a variety of people, some who might have money. Maybe she would have liked to try modeling but she was not tall enough (at least by the 90's standards) but sex work was never an option that crossed her mind IMO.

I think Lori mostly wanted a high-priced lifestyle with minimal effort required of her and kept marrying richer men hoping to find that but she was never satisfied. She never figured out how to be content with less money. She divorced Joe because "he didn't make enough money" but we found out Joe was actually pretty successful and he had the ability to fight for legal custody of Tylee for many years in civil courts, which is something most lower-income single parents can't afford to do. I think Joe simply didn't give Lori enough money for her liking, so she moved on to someone she perceived to be richer. She had to work as a hairdresser for a little while before she found her next husband. We heard that she met Charles while she was cutting hair.

Charles completely spoiled and pampered Lori from everything we saw-- whatever Lori wanted, Lori got when she was with CV. CV payed to fight the civil custody suits. CV moved to Kauai and attempted to start a business there because it was Lori's dream. CV converted to LDS because of Lori. She had him wrapped around her little finger but it apparently wasn't enough for her. When the Kauai business venture didn't work out and they were forced to move back to to AZ, I think that was when Lori went searching for another man. But she was determined she didn't want another divorce. I think we will find that while religion runs heavily in the background of this case, the motives here have always been about money.

MOO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

IMO (totally JMO) a possible FLDS or other polygamous connection keeps popping up, not because there is anything to indicate this, but because when people think Mormon splinter groups, these are the most visible and well known examples of a Mormon splinter group most people know. Between the long history of these and the recent TV shows focusing on this, not to mention the majority of stories about Mormon splinter groups to make the news, especially outside of the Jello Belt, it isn't surprising. But there really hasn't been any indication thus far that polygamy is one of the things whatever the groups Chad and Lori are known to be involved with are into. Or sex trafficking (with or without polygamy), for that matter. I don't think we can totally rule either out, but they don't seem very likely from what we've learned thus far.

obviously our minds are travelling the same dirt road on this issue...

 

[MsJosie]

Can someome tell me why the grandparents are trying to get custody or guardianship of the kids, and I know I can be.very wrong, those kids are gone, why are they wasting their money on lawyers for this. I just dont get

Because the Grandparents have hope the children are alive....it is hard to give up hope and face reality, to admit a relative is evil, especially when children are involved. We don’t know if the lawyer is charging a fee....I know a few lawyers who have waived their fees in cases such as these.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

That would certainly be one logical interpretation. If so, does the FBI know who that person is? (If not, I'd think they might want to figure it out.)

MOO

again...the same little dirt road.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

i have a couple of questions, since i have not carefully read some of the FLDS posts.
1) Is there truly serious trafficking among compounds or outside compounds? Is this still a big deal, or was it more of a Jeffs thing?
2) Why are we discussing FLDS with Lori? Is the belief that their beliefs are anti-FLDS, or are somehow overlapping in some way to FLDS?
3)Jeffs was in TX.. are there a lot of these FLDS in Tx. Wondered if any near greater Austin or Greater San Antonio??

(sometimes it is hard to catch up on so many pages) TIA.

1. Yes there was serious trafficking, and some Canadian girls were found at YFZ for instance. No federal charges came tho. Jeff’s still controls from prison, last I heard, with bizarre orders like quit having sex with husband, only certain chosen males. His orders change and I don’t know how long that lasted. The group has a terrible genetic disorder, fumarase deficiency, that may be the driver for that order.

2. Someone posted they hooked up in Ystone and handed Tyler off. I asked for confirmation and haven’t got it.

3. They were taking root in TX around San Angelo & some other areas, but to their surprise TX wasn’t putting up with their child marriage nonsense and not only was the $100m YFZ ranch and Temple confiscated and sold, 12 were sentenced to prison, and pretty much all the rest of the FLDS got the message and left.

MOO The best chance for the kids survival is if they were passed off to the FLDS. All other options are worse. One thing about that group is they don’t murder people, to my knowledge.

 

[BigAl16]

Because the Grandparents have hope the children are alive....it is hard to give up hope and face reality, to admit a relative is evil, especially when children are involved. We don’t know if the lawyer is charging a fee....I know a few lawyers who have waived their fees in cases such as these.

Exactly. As far as that goes, their need for a lawyer has also been fairly minimal thus far. We aren't talking about the amount that the pitbull will be charging. MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Because the Grandparents have hope the children are alive....it is hard to give up hope and face reality, to admit a relative is evil, especially when children are involved. We don’t know if the lawyer is charging a fee....I know a few lawyers who have waived their fees in cases such as these.

And remember, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be where we are. When Kay discovered through Charles email account that Lori was hiding out in Rexburg refusing to answer her attempts to contact. They have used their full might to keep these kids as the main issue in this whole story. They cannot give up on that commitment and investment in finding the truth.

 

[squareandrabbet]

i have a couple of questions, since i have not carefully read some of the FLDS posts.
1) Is there truly serious trafficking among compounds or outside compounds? Is this still a big deal, or was it more of a Jeffs thing?
2) Why are we discussing FLDS with Lori? Is the belief that their beliefs are anti-FLDS, or are somehow overlapping in some way to FLDS?
3)Jeffs was in TX.. are there a lot of these FLDS in Tx. Wondered if any near greater Austin or Greater San Antonio??

(sometimes it is hard to catch up on so many pages) TIA.

No, you didn't miss anything.

There's zero proof that we've seen, unless people are drawing in social media or something similar.

There's no sign that anybody in connection with this case is seeking underaged sex partners; and there's also no tradition/prior sign indicating that Tylee would have been sent as a child bride to anyone. We also haven't seen anybody in this group in a hurry to marry off boys around Tylee's age.

The only perturbing sex-related item we have on hand, is the so-called "secret sealing" for affair partners sneaking into the temple together; which we're not even positive involves CD and/or LVD, and at any rate would now be moot, because they can be, and are, legally married.

The invocation of FLDS in connection with this case is merely because it is a convenient shorthand/umbrella for LDS extremists, IMO.

 

[Sticksandspades]

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Can someome tell me why the grandparents are trying to get custody or guardianship of the kids, and I know I can be.very wrong, those kids are gone, why are they wasting their money on lawyers for this. I just dont get

If I was I need theirs shoes, and had the 1m from CV life insurance I would be using it in the best interest of J.J. until I had proof he was no longer alive. Seems simple to me.

 

[VeryVeritas]

Thank you for your kind words. I just want to clarify that I am NOT a moderator here. I'm just a very active member.

I wish that we had more details on Lori's employment history but it has been hard to figure out how to put it in the timeline when we don't have any details as to places and dates she worked. There were some more details of some volunteer work that her attorney mentioned in the hearing that I need to go back and grab.

Some info that I think is not in the posted timeline yet (but will be in the next update I post) is info about her high school and her first husband that has come out recently. Here's a link: Exclusive: Lori Vallow Daybell Went from 'Devout' Cheerleader to 'a Mystery,' High School Friend Says

What I find interesting is that she talked about going to college at BYU but she never went to college. Instead she married a non-Mormon and that marriage ended in divorce. I would love to know how her parents reacted to her first marriage and divorce and what they had offered her (or not offered her) as far as support to go to college. Lori's parents have been completely silent in all of this chaos-- not once have they spoken to the press and no one has really even talked about her parents in the press either except for that high school friend in the above link. Many have taken that as a sign that they are possibly supportive of her. But what if Lori's parents basically cut her off (money-wise) when she made the choice to marry a non-Mormon instead of going to college?

We see them all together (Lori with her siblings and her parents) in a photo at Lori and Charles' house-- the house where Colby got married in the backyard-- but what if Lori parents only reconnected with her after she married Charles and he converted to be Mormon too? Maybe they finally gave Lori the approval she was wanting so she has kept up this charade of being religious since then. I'm rambling a bit but this all ties into Lori's employment history. The following is my speculation only: I think she grew up with money but was possibly cut off from that family money and the lifestyle she was accustomed to after she chose to get married to her high school sweetheart rather than go to BYU. The marriage ended in divorce and she was probably left desperate for a high-priced lifestyle again.

There were not many careers options for a woman in the 1990's with only a high school degree who doesn't want to do any manual labor and has no past office-work history. She didn't have a HS job, as far as we know, and didn't do volunteer work in HS or belong to any academic clubs that would have given her transferable job skills and business connections. She's not tech-savvy, despite growing up in a time when computers were beginning to take over everything. And she left her hometown after her 1st marriage ended. I think she chose cosmetology because looking good was what she knew how to do best, it didn't involve any special skills and didn't cost a lot to get started. Plus, it allowed her to meet a variety of people, some who might have money. Maybe she would have liked to try modeling but she was not tall enough (at least by the 90's standards) but sex work was never an option that crossed her mind IMO.

I think Lori mostly wanted a high-priced lifestyle with minimal effort required of her and kept marrying richer men hoping to find that but she was never satisfied. She never figured out how to be content with less money. She divorced Joe because "he didn't make enough money" but we found out Joe was actually pretty successful and he had the ability to fight for legal custody of Tylee for many years in civil courts, which is something most lower-income single parents can't afford to do. I think Joe simply didn't give Lori enough money for her liking, so she moved on to someone she perceived to be richer. She had to work as a hairdresser for a little while before she found her next husband. We heard that she met Charles while she was cutting hair.

Charles completely spoiled and pampered Lori from everything we saw-- whatever Lori wanted, Lori got when she was with CV. CV payed to fight the civil custody suits. CV moved to Kauai and attempted to start a business there because it was Lori's dream. CV converted to LDS because of Lori. She had him wrapped around her little finger but it apparently wasn't enough for her. When the Kauai business venture didn't work out and they were forced to move back to to AZ, I think that was when Lori went searching for another man. But she was determined she didn't want another divorce. I think we will find that while religion runs heavily in the background of this case, the motives here have always been about money.

MOO.

Thank you! You continue to be amazing.

Do you know where her parents live?

Rexburg is only 1.5 hrs to Yellowstone (west entrance) I'm curious of other people or places connected to the people in this case, along that route.

AxC likely was also cut off, he didnt make it to BYU either, did he?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I followed the link to the Family Tree site posted in an earlier thread and the dates were there. Maybe updated recently? Good time to give a shout-out to the previous work done by posters on this site including Gardener 1850, I'm just standing on their shoulders.

Yeah I did realize you had gone to that site... I had just not seen those specific dates before. There were other interesting locations cited there for Charles. I am going to try to check them a little bit.... I really do wonder what she was expecting to get at that mailbox so long before she appeared to make a decision to move to Rexburg area....