Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

[bmacmillan1]

With their connection to the LDS church, whatever they might be, Chad and Lori are not bringing the church good publicity at all...

 

[Christ is Truth]

They have a duty of care for Lori since she's in their custody so I get the extra precautions. Nate and Dateline probably got special treatment at the airport as part of their agreement to keep quiet on Lori and Chad's location in Kauai until LE gave the OK. That is fair.

On the other hand, misleading other news organiztions was a mistake IMO. If LE can't or won't say, tell them that but don't lie about it. It breaks a trust that LE may need to rely on from those news organizations in the future.

As far a Chad's special treatment. Yeah, that one gets my goat. Kay has been named and targeted as the reason for Chad and Lori's troubles by Christopher Parrett in an anti-government forum he runs with some members who dispaly a cult-like behavior. Chad is considered one of their "leaders." Brandon Boudreaux has been shot at by someone suspected of being a part of that cult-like group and has been in hiding. So yeah, I think the threat to Kay, Brandon and any other family member who has been outspoken against Chad and Lori is very valid and should be taken seriously.

Again, I think Chad's attorney pulled in some favors but it's not a good look all things considered. Hope they don't do it again. MOO

Yes! Thank you! ITA!

 

[Ohmeohmy]

VINELink

Sunday March 8,2020
Marking my place. I see Lori and Chad don't have the funds, collateral to post bail/bond yet. Lori is still wearing her orange stripe "Spring 2020" look. Not sure about footwear yet..we will watch closely.

LORI N VALLOW
Custody Record

Age46
GenderFemale
RaceWhite
ID: Madison County Sheriff's Office
ID Number174174
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailMadison County Detention Center

 

[nhmemorymaker]

dbm

Thank you! You continue to be amazing.

Do you know where her parents live?

Rexburg is only 1.5 hrs to Yellowstone (west entrance) I'm curious of other people or places connected to the people in this case, along that route.

Thank you! You continue to be amazing.

Do you know where her parents live?

Rexburg is only 1.5 hrs to Yellowstone (west entrance) I'm curious of other people or places connected to the people in this case, along that route.

AxC likely was also cut off, he didnt make it to BYU either, did he?

Parents live in the general area where Lori was living in AZ. Assume they are still there in San Tan Valley.
I strongly encourage you to to to the Timeline to see the date when LE announced Lori, Alex and the kids were identified as being in nYellowstone, and then go back and read many of the pages around those dates on back threads. There were so many places, routes, and possible locations and personal connections to various places. it is worth the read....

 

[Sticksandspades]

With their connection to the LDS church, whatever they might be, Chad and Lori are not bringing the church good publicity at all...

This is why I was wondering if AVOW would decide to follow HS/PTZ and PaP and distance/disband/delete/deflect away from Chad.

What’s the consensus here?

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Nancy Grace shocked by 'cult mom' Lori Vallow's courtroom behavior

Just so everyone remembers what this woman was acting like and looked like in court as we are studying pictures of the kids in Yellowstone Park .

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Thanks for mention of the post that someone thought they had hooked up in Yellowstone... that is what I was missing.
How long ago were they taking root in Texas? JMO-- I know I am reaching for straws (is that the right phrase??) --but just wondered if FLDS was familiar/ok with Cox family and Lori. (Pretty sure I found some online data that indicated she moved from CA to TX with family soon after that first marriage-or-annulment.) So she was still young, "damaged" and probably vulnerable. So where are some of these FLDS besides TX and Mexico???

Also what is YFZ??

1. Yes there was serious trafficking, and some Canadian girls were found at YFZ for instance. No federal charges came tho. Jeff’s still controls from prison, last I heard, with bizarre orders like quit having sex with husband, only certain chosen males. His orders change and I don’t know how long that lasted. The group has a terrible genetic disorder, fumarase deficiency, that may be the driver for that order.

2. Someone posted they hooked up in Ystone and handed Tyler off. I asked for confirmation and haven’t got it.

3. They were taking root in TX around San Angelo & some other areas, but to their surprise TX wasn’t putting up with their child marriage nonsense and not only was the $100m YFZ ranch and Temple confiscated and sold, 12 were sentenced to prison, and pretty much all the rest of the FLDS got the message and left.

MOO The best chance for the kids survival is if they were passed off to the FLDS. All other options are worse. One thing about that group is they don’t murder people, to my knowledge.[/QUOTE

 

[Redvines86]

Thank you! You continue to be amazing.

Do you know where her parents live?

Rexburg is only 1.5 hrs to Yellowstone (west entrance) I'm curious of other people or places connected to the people in this case, along that route.

AxC likely was also cut off, he didnt make it to BYU either, did he?

I have a great deal of doubt as to the actual level of Mormon devotion of Loris parents. All I’ve had to go on is Lori going to seminary as a teen, which actually doesn’t mean a lot. There’s also a family photo of Lori as a teen which pretty much proves they weren’t super active at all. But, as they can’t be sleuthed, and the photo will be deleted, as will my post, it’s all rather moot. MOO

 

[VeryVeritas]

The only problem I have with this is, as per posts from yesterday, the only way to walk Lori out of the courtroom appears to be to parade her past the first row of the gallery - on the inside.

???

I guess in Rexburg, either gallery members never jump to wring prisoners' necks, or prisoners never attack gallery members?



Welcome!! Great post. Still chuckling at "how they even had time to find someone bereft of any sense to marry them".

To answer the questions I know I can answer, it seems to me that "The Cult" is currently comprised of a circle of extremists from the AVOW (A Voice of Warning) and PaP (Preparing a People).

I think CD is the most famous person in this subset; and that he came by this status because he has published so many of the others (Hector Sosa; Julie Rowe; others we may not yet know of).

I also think there's scant evidence to say that Chad has always been more "extra" than Lori; though in a different way.

He's, at minimum, pushy in his status as author and publisher; if not exactly dynamic.

I fully believe that he believes his own books; and that this is currently a dangerous mental place to be.

He certainly doesn't seem to have had as much experience disposing of spouses; Lori is a tougher nut to crack.

She's not nearly as devout; or wasn't, IMO.

Her first marriage was reportedly to a non-LDS teen swain, and swiftly annulled by her family.

If I had to guess, I would say that Lori has always felt out of place in her life, neither religious enough for Mormons nor comfortable enough being a (by LDS standards) worldly freak.

We also know from his sister Kay, that ironically, Charles Vallow saw Lori as the be-all and end-all of LDS propriety, and in fact converted to LDS for Lori. CV did not, in fact, worry about anything Lori said about the LDS Church, until she started saying she was a translated being/god and had been sent to kill him; and that Charles was not simply "Charles" anymore, but that he had been body-snatched and replaced with someone named "Nick Schneider" ).

The overwhelming majority of Lori's past spouses, when they have not simply been killed outright, seem to have gone down in a blaze of accusations of domestic violence. This has led people to believe that not only is this "Lori's playbook"; but that Lori has opened and shared her playbook of tactics to rope in her niece Melani, who is employing similar scorched-earth smear tactics in her attempts to break from former spouse Brandon (when killing doesn't work, say they beat up or sexually assault you or your shared children!).

Lastly, it seems pretty clear and obvious that Chad "led" Lori into this current state of mind.

Irrespective of anything else, it is he who knew the infrastructure (AVOW, PaP, etc.) and its key players with F2F intimacy, to the point where all of the key players appear to consider Chad's words "as good as" if they were spoken by a divinity, to the point where they are willing to hang their hats on this in public ("Chad says this is a custody debate? Okee dokee!").

IMO, "The Cult" swirls around "Publisher and Motivational Speaker" Chad, not Lori. Without Chad, Lori's just another second-class divorced Mormon woman (paraphrase of Lori's Hawaii friend April from Dateline).

Chad's good at the talkin'; Lori's good at the killin'.

As for the "with other family members" contingent, these people are IMO delusional and have not so much as an inch of wooden pegleg to stand upon.

We know from several family members and all the things that we're seeing behind the scenes, that LE has interviewed and searched the property with everyone with any type of familial connection to Lori and/or Chad that they can locate.

None of these people are criminal masterminds, and none of them have done a good job of hiding their whereabouts, because well, they weren't expecting to have to.

They have found and (presumably, since they know where to find all these people) searched the homes of Colby Ryan, Melanie B-P, Brandon Boudreaux, Melanie Gibb (friend), Zulema Pastenes (AxC's widow of 10 days), Lori's surviving sister Summer, Lori's surviving brother AdC (estranged and making no bones about it), at least one of Chad's brothers (IIRC the youngest, Matthew, who has given a press statement denouncing these latest developments and stating they, too, have been estranged for some time); Lori's parents (Cox family); Chad's parents; Tammy Daybell's parents (Douglas family, as per our VI @Maxxer500, who also said, at minimum, that their own home had been searched for the children IIRC); and any of the Daybell children's residences.

So... where are the kids, oh dear "Family has them", contingent?

Great stuff. Thanks for the details on the additional family and "cult" members and having been searched. Curious why LVD's other siblings are so quiet considering the dire circumstances. If they are so estranged, some clues as to why might fill in some blanks.

Other than the 1.5 hr drive to Yellowstone I have not read of any travel outside of Rexburg until the children are both missing. Is that correct?

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Thanks for mention of the post that someone thought they had hooked up in Yellowstone... that is what I was missing.
How long ago were they taking root in Texas? JMO-- I know I am reaching for straws (is that the right phrase??) --but just wondered if FLDS was familiar/ok with Cox family and Lori. (Pretty sure I found some online data that indicated she moved from CA to TX with family soon after that first marriage-or-annulment.) So she was still young, "damaged" and probably vulnerable. So where are some of these FLDS besides TX and Mexico???

Also what is YFZ??

Without further info that implicates the FLDS, I dont want to go down that rabbit hole further but would suggest googling "YFZ Ranch" and go from there. Books have been written on them, they would take up too much space here, so lets wait and see if they somehow pop up on this story.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
CV33-20-0088 | In the Matter of the Guardianship and Conservatorship of: Joshua Vallow, A Minor Child.


Case Number
CV33-20-0088

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Eddins, Faren Z.

File Date
01/29/2020

Case Type
G3a- Joint Petition Guard/Conserv (Minor) Same Party

Case Status
Active - Pending

• 03/12/2020 Appointment of Guardian/Conservator
  
  Judicial Officer
  Eddins, Faren Z.
  
  Hearing Time
  10:00 AM
  
  Cancel Reason
  Vacated
  
  
• 04/16/2020 Status Conference
  
  Judicial Officer
  Eddins, Faren Z.
  
  Hearing Time
  1:00 PM

I have been watching JJ'S Case ...For some reason we have 3/12/20 VACATED

@AZlawyer Any thoughts?

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Great stuff. Thanks for the details on the additional family and "cult" members and having been searched. Curious why LVD's other siblings are so quiet considering the dire circumstances. If they are so estranged, some clues as to why might fill in some blanks.

Other than the 1.5 hr drive to Yellowstone I have not read of any travel outside of Rexburg until the children are both missing. Is that correct?

I think the mysterious death of Stacy may have something to do with it? (insulin shock while being visited by Alex, who then takes the opportunity to raid her purse for credit cards and starts buying stuff online while she lies dead in the next room) Oh and then this fave bro dies in Dec... And sister Lori is coming out of the closet as a witch. Kinda dysfunctional part of the family.

 

[BigAl16]

This is why I was wondering if AVOW would decide to follow HS/PTZ and PaP and distance/disband/delete/deflect away from Chad.

What’s the consensus here?

My suspicion is that CP makes enough money from AVOW that he isn't going to want to shut it down. But then the same could be said of PAP and maybe HS/PTZ. Another factor could be whether the people at the top of these organizations get pressure from their church leaders at the local level to back off. HS and the guy at PAP might have, or maybe not. Maybe they were concerned that it was going to happen, even if it hadn't. If they've observed comparable situations, they would know that they could be excommunicated and could have tried to tone things down to avoid that or even the threat of that.

So why is PC/AVOW different here? I can come up with several theories, none of them based on anything but WAGs, and they all boil down to one of two things. Either he doesn't care if he gets excommunicated or he cares, but has reason to believe that the powers-that-be in his ward and stake are not on the verge of telling him to tone it down.

MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Can someome tell me why the grandparents are trying to get custody or guardianship of the kids, and I know I can be.very wrong, those kids are gone, why are they wasting their money on lawyers for this. I just dont get

You must not have kids, or grandkids? They are missing. We assume they are deceased but we don't know for sure. Jmo

 

[VeryVeritas]

I think the mysterious death of Stacy may have something to do with it? (insulin shock while being visited by Alex, who then takes the opportunity to raid her purse for credit cards and starts buying stuff online while she lies dead in the next room) Oh and then this fave bro dies in Dec... And sister Lori is coming out of the closet as a witch. Kinda dysfunctional part of the family.

If she was murdered, because of how long ago, there might be a lot more blood on his hands. Worth a much closer look... dna check for sure... or was it only family and people close to the family that got in the crosshairs?

 

[AZlawyer]

iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
CV33-20-0088 | In the Matter of the Guardianship and Conservatorship of: Joshua Vallow, A Minor Child.


Case Number
CV33-20-0088

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Eddins, Faren Z.

File Date
01/29/2020

Case Type
G3a- Joint Petition Guard/Conserv (Minor) Same Party

Case Status
Active - Pending

• 03/12/2020 Appointment of Guardian/Conservator
  
  Judicial Officer
  Eddins, Faren Z.
  
  Hearing Time
  10:00 AM
  
  Cancel Reason
  Vacated
  
  
• 04/16/2020 Status Conference
  
  Judicial Officer
  Eddins, Faren Z.
  
  Hearing Time
  1:00 PM

I have been watching JJ'S Case ...For some reason we have 3/12/20 VACATED

@AZlawyer Any thoughts?

There are a dozen possible reasons, but given the current situation maybe the judge thinks periodic status conferences are good enough until they know if there is still a child requiring guardianship :/

 

[BigAl16]

Thanks for mention of the post that someone thought they had hooked up in Yellowstone... that is what I was missing.
How long ago were they taking root in Texas? JMO-- I know I am reaching for straws (is that the right phrase??) --but just wondered if FLDS was familiar/ok with Cox family and Lori. (Pretty sure I found some online data that indicated she moved from CA to TX with family soon after that first marriage-or-annulment.) So she was still young, "damaged" and probably vulnerable. So where are some of these FLDS besides TX and Mexico???

Also what is YFZ??

FLDS used to mostly be in an area called Short Creek by many, officially Colorado City, AZ and Hilldale, UT on the AZ/UT border. I'm assume some still remain in that area. I'm not sure, but think there might be other members spread around the west. There are also other polygamous groups out there. FWIW, the FLDS were mostly in the Short Creek area until well after Lori moved to Texas. She beat them there. You can find a Wikipedia entry on the YFZ ranch. It says it stands for "Yearning for Zion." I guess that's their way of saying they miss Utah. You can find "YFZ Ranch Road" using Google maps it see how far it is from Austin where Lori lived in Texas. It is about a 200 mile drive from the ranch.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Kay Vallow Woodcock (interviewed before the Friday hearing): "I'll give her the money. I don't care. I'll give her my house. I don't care. Just give us JJ. That's what's important."

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[nhmemorymaker]

I have a great deal of doubt as to the actual level of Mormon devotion of Loris parents. All I’ve had to go on is Lori going to seminary as a teen, which actually doesn’t mean a lot. There’s also a family photo of Lori as a teen which pretty much proves they weren’t super active at all. But, as they can’t be sleuthed, and the photo will be deleted, as will my post, it’s all rather moot. MOO

Well... I think i can ask one basic question as it still seems to pertain to "who is Lori Vallow".. Why does seminary as a teen not meaning very much? I guess I was thinking "they live in a non-Mormon part of the country, and do send Lori to seminary each morning".. and figured that was a sign of devotion.

 

[BigAl16]

You must not have kids, or grandkids? They are missing. We assume they are deceased but we don't know for sure. Jmo

Yeah, as a grandparent I have absolutely no problem understanding where Kay and Larry are coming from. MOO