Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

[AZlawyer]

Can someome tell me why the grandparents are trying to get custody or guardianship of the kids, and I know I can be.very wrong, those kids are gone, why are they wasting their money on lawyers for this. I just dont get

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If I was I need theirs shoes, and had the 1m from CV life insurance I would be using it in the best interest of J.J. until I had proof he was no longer alive. Seems simple to me.

You must not have kids, or grandkids? They are missing. We assume they are deceased but we don't know for sure. Jmo

These seem like great answers to your question, monroe2. I’m sure I would do the same in their position.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Kay Vallow Woodcock (interviewed before the Friday hearing): "I'll give her the money. I don't care. I'll give her my house. I don't care. Just give us JJ. That's what's important."

Well that statement should put to rest CP’s ludicrous remark about their motive for “only” offering a 20k reward, not 50k or 1m!

Sorry can't post link right now actually have to leave the house

 

[indicolite22]

I see Parrett and his nonsense as just so much bluffoonery. Blah blah blah, 100% BS.

IMO at some point the remaining Chad supporters will realize that they had been tricked by him or have to admit that they are supporting a criminal. No way would Chad and Lori give up a big chunk of the insurance payout and go to jail just to keep the kids hidden from grandma. On the other hand, even Fotis Dulos had people supporting him in a big way till the end, despite the incriminating evidence against him.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

If she was murdered, because of how long ago, there might be a lot more blood on his hands. Worth a much closer look... dna check for sure... or was it only family and people close to the family that got in the crosshairs?

Too long ago to solve that really, and the possible perp, Alex, is MIA. But looking back, isn't it strange, he happened to be there but also took the opportunity to raid her credit cards and took the cash too, one would presume. It is possible it was innocent... he was living with her, she was ill, and actually did die that way... but it's true he made it a Christmas day for himself and stole from her purse. THEN, when Joe passed, whether planned or not, Lori got a $75k paycheck (for her or for Tylee? IDK if discovered yet) but she loved that and that whetted her whistle too. Poor Charles... then Tammy. Lined up like ducks.

 

[tresir2012]

Indeed, it's known the FLDS sex trafficked their girl children between compounds in SD, CO, BC Canada, the YFZ ranch in TX, and the Short Creek area in AZ/UT - besides many other likely places. Warren Jeff's and about a dozen other of them went to prison in TX for it, Warren in prison for life, in solitary confinement due to his high profile (likely to be harmed in prison) status. Also good to note for future perps, the prisons don't have AC and not much for heat either. If you know the heat and humidity in TX in the summer you can imagine it's near torture. Avenatti has found that out too, they turn the heat on at the MCC in NYC for an hour at 10pm, and then it hits the mid 40's by morning this winter. brrr! Anyways, my wife thought she was sex trafficked as soon as she heard of the story, but didn't say who. That is a new twist I haven't heard verified, that Lori had some connections with FLDS.

Could you spell out what the initials are?
FLDS
YFZ
MCC
Also who is Warren Jeff's and Avenatti? Maybe you have a link?

(I am about 20 pages behind so you may well have provided more info - am catching up.)

 

[Randocalrissian]

IIRC, that's how we first learned about funeral potatoes and got on that (off-topic) topic. A VI mentioned there was no church luncheon at Tammy's Idaho memorial. Just a brief service, and not very many people attended.

Not that it matters in the big picture, but there was a well attended church luncheon after the funeral and interment in Springville.

 

[Monroe2]

These seem like great answers to your question, monroe2. I’m sure I would do the same in their position.

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These seem like great answers to your question, monroe2. I’m sure I would do the same in their position.

I do have kids thank you but Im also a realist, I'm not.saying.they should give up.hope, but I was just wondering.if. there was some specific reason.that would help.bring additional charges for lori

 

[squareandrabbet]

Great stuff. Thanks for the details on the additional family and "cult" members and having been searched. Curious why LVD's other siblings are so quiet considering the dire circumstances. If they are so estranged, some clues as to why might fill in some blanks.

Other than the 1.5 hr drive to Yellowstone I have not read of any travel outside of Rexburg until the children are both missing. Is that correct?

As far as we know, yes.

I should also be more precise, and say that only about half the people I named, specifically came out and said "we were searched".

Also, we haven't heard LE or any whispers from news media about someone showing up and saying "So and so refused to let us search their home".

At minimum, we know for a fact:

Colby Ryan: Said it in interview with Justin Lum

Brandon Boudreaux: said it in news interview; and if his home was searched, than so was his parents' home, where his and Melani's kids were staying and which fact he isn't attempting to hide from LE

Melanie Boudreaux-Pawlowski and Ian: LE said it in their affidavit

Melani Gibb (friend) - police said so in their affidavit

Other family members mentioned in affidavit by police as having been interviewed (not specifically searched, but I'm guessing we can infer it, because if they could be found to be spoken to, they can be found to be searched):

Parents of both Chad and Tammy.

I cannot with certainty claim if Summer, Zulema, Lori's parents, or AdC were searched, as we haven't even heard a peep from the first three either way, and I cannot recall if AdC said in his statement; but again, the FBI is involved, so if these folks' addresses are known <modsnip: rumor, no MSM source>, I have to believe they have been searched and if not, that LE has the technology to search them at any moment.

Also, with our thread's VI posting that their residence, too, was searched; and having to be cagey about exactly where they are in the family hierarchy (the way they frame it suggests first and/or second cousin distance); this rolls up an infinite number of potential family members surnamed Daybell, Cox, Douglas, etc., under the "we haven't specifically heard about a search; but just because we haven't, doesn't mean they weren't searched".

 

[AZlawyer]

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I do have kids thank you but Im also a realist, I'm not.saying.they should give up.hope, but I was just wondering.if. there was some specific reason.that would help.bring additional charges for lori

There are enough charges already that cover what we know so far. There’s not much point in piling on charges that allege the same basic facts. What KW & LW want seems to be to find out what happened to the kids.

 

[Sorelle19]

...No way would Chad and Lori give up a big chunk of the insurance payout and go to jail just to keep the kids hidden from grandma.

THIS!! I, too, have a hard time believing they're willing to part with $100,000...my thoughts are that they're trying to cobble together the $1 million on their own and avoid paying a $100,000 fee.

 

[tresir2012]

not that it matters, not weave but probably extensions. I seem to remember you are UK, and I don't think it's important but I don't know where you are going. Weave is generally sewed into corn rows or glued, extensions are much more expensive and fused or glued. When I worked in a nightclub and was expected to have great hair my girlfriend always sewed weave into my hair before work, which was perfect because I wanted it out the same night. But speaking from experience, fine hair doesn't hold braids well, weave is generally pretty heavy so unless you are getting touch ups frequently weave is much more difficult to maintain. MOO

The reason I am asking is that if this is the last picture of her it looks pretty different to the one they are using on her missing poster and could be why she has not yet been spotted (different hairstyle). So I think it could be important what that is in her hair or whether it is just a bad photo like the rest of the pic.

 

[BigAl16]

Could you spell out what the initials are?
FLDS
YFZ
MCC
Also who is Warren Jeff's and Avenatti? Maybe you have a link?

(I am about 20 pages behind so you may well have provided more info - am catching up.)

Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (as opposed to LDS for the mainstream Mormon faith).

Yearning for Zion

Avenatti doesn't have anything to do with this case. He was one of Trump's attorneys and was arrested and put in jail. The MCC is (I think) the Metropolitan Correctional Center (a jail or prison in New York City?)

 

[indicolite22]

Great stuff. Thanks for the details on the additional family and "cult" members and having been searched. Curious why LVD's other siblings are so quiet considering the dire circumstances. If they are so estranged, some clues as to why might fill in some blanks.

BBM. Lori's remaining brother likely doesn't want publicity to protect his job, although his family's stance regarding this case can be found if you look. Lori's sister revealed her allegiance when she accompanied her niece Melani to court and Melani still looks up to Lori (according to her lawyer).

 

[BigAl16]

RSBM

Also, with our thread's VI posting that their residence, too, was searched; and having to be cagey about exactly where they are in the family hierarchy (the way they frame it suggests first and/or second cousin distance); this rolls up an infinite number of potential family members surnamed Daybell, Cox, Douglas, etc., under the "we haven't specifically heard about a search; but just because we haven't, doesn't mean they weren't searched".

IIRC, the VI said that he or she thought someone (maybe another family member?) might have given LE a phony tip to cause this search to happen, maybe because they perceived he or she was not staying quiet and expressing support for Chad in the way they liked. There is no indication that any other members of the Douglas family have been searched, nor really any reason to think this would bear fruit or that they would be willing to cover for Chad's new spouse or even Chad.

MOO

 

[SeattleStew]

I just view it as the way it is cropped leaves Tylee and JJ right in the center. It isn't that unusual to crop photos of missing children. Jmo

I respect your opinion. I would ask then why wouldn't they crop out Alex, too?

 

[Gardener1850]

Was Lori’s 1st marriage annulled or was she divorced? I’ve seen it posted both ways on the forum...not sure if it was verified. Thanks for all you do for us.

I've only ever read it was a divorce. That's from people who knew Lori at that time period in her life and have spoken to the press such as this high school friend: Exclusive: Lori Vallow Daybell Went from 'Devout' Cheerleader to 'a Mystery,' High School Friend Says
Annulment seems to be either a rumor or someone's speculation simply because we have not seen the marriage/divorce record. Not all marriage/divorce records are publicly available to us in searchable databases. Every state has different laws on when they will release them and who can apply for and get a copy of a marriage record. We don't know where Lori married her first husband nor where they divorced. And as we have seen with her Hawaii marriage to Chad-- HI is one state (out of many others) that doesn't make their records available to the public. But LE could get it legally and they did verify that Lori and Chad married and put it as fact in an affidavit.

I can't imagine what grounds there would be for an annulment versus a divorce. Since she went to HS in CA and moved away from there after her divorce according to her HS friend, here are the CA guidelines on annulment: Annulment - divorce_or_separation_selfhelp
I don't see any legal reasons for annulment that could have applied to her first marriage. MOO.

 

[indicolite22]

As far as we know, yes.

I should also be more precise, and say that only about half the people I named, specifically came out and said "we were searched".

Also, we haven't heard LE or any whispers from news media about someone showing up and saying "So and so refused to let us search their home".

At minimum, we know for a fact:

Colby Ryan: Said it in interview with Justin Lum

Brandon Boudreaux: said it in news interview; and if his home was searched, than so was his parents' home, where his and Melani's kids were staying and which fact he isn't attempting to hide from LE

Melanie Boudreaux-Pawlowski and Ian: LE said it in their affidavit

Melani Gibb (friend) - police said so in their affidavit

Other family members mentioned in affidavit by police as having been interviewed (not specifically searched, but I'm guessing we can infer it, because if they could be found to be spoken to, they can be found to be searched):

Parents of both Chad and Tammy.

I cannot with certainty claim if Summer, Zulema, Lori's parents, or AdC were searched, as we haven't even heard a peep from the first three either way, and I cannot recall if AdC said in his statement; but again, the FBI is involved, so if these folks' addresses are known <modsnip: rumor, no MSM source>, I have to believe they have been searched and if not, that LE has the technology to search them at any moment.

Also, with our thread's VI posting that their residence, too, was searched; and having to be cagey about exactly where they are in the family hierarchy (the way they frame it suggests first and/or second cousin distance); this rolls up an infinite number of potential family members surnamed Daybell, Cox, Douglas, etc., under the "we haven't specifically heard about a search; but just because we haven't, doesn't mean they weren't searched".

If the kids were hidden (which I don't believe) with family, IMO distant relatives who believed in the cause (either the cult or the evil grandma excuse) would be better candidates than immediate family.

 

[Diddian]

The only problem I have with this is, as per posts from yesterday, the only way to walk Lori out of the courtroom appears to be to parade her past the first row of the gallery - on the inside.

???

I guess in Rexburg, either gallery members never jump to wring prisoners' necks, or prisoners never attack gallery members?



Welcome!! Great post. Still chuckling at "how they even had time to find someone bereft of any sense to marry them".

To answer the questions I know I can answer, it seems to me that "The Cult" is currently comprised of a circle of extremists from the AVOW (A Voice of Warning) and PaP (Preparing a People).

I think CD is the most famous person in this subset; and that he came by this status because he has published so many of the others (Hector Sosa; Julie Rowe; others we may not yet know of).

I also think there's scant evidence to say that Chad has always been more "extra" than Lori; though in a different way.

He's, at minimum, pushy in his status as author and publisher; if not exactly dynamic.

I fully believe that he believes his own books; and that this is currently a dangerous mental place to be.

He certainly doesn't seem to have had as much experience disposing of spouses; Lori is a tougher nut to crack.

She's not nearly as devout; or wasn't, IMO.

Her first marriage was reportedly to a non-LDS teen swain, and swiftly annulled by her family.

If I had to guess, I would say that Lori has always felt out of place in her life, neither religious enough for Mormons nor comfortable enough being a (by LDS standards) worldly freak.

We also know from his sister Kay, that ironically, Charles Vallow saw Lori as the be-all and end-all of LDS propriety, and in fact converted to LDS for Lori. CV did not, in fact, worry about anything Lori said about the LDS Church, until she started saying she was a translated being/god and had been sent to kill him; and that Charles was not simply "Charles" anymore, but that he had been body-snatched and replaced with someone named "Nick Schneider" ).

The overwhelming majority of Lori's past spouses, when they have not simply been killed outright, seem to have gone down in a blaze of accusations of domestic violence. This has led people to believe that not only is this "Lori's playbook"; but that Lori has opened and shared her playbook of tactics to rope in her niece Melani, who is employing similar scorched-earth smear tactics in her attempts to break from former spouse Brandon (when killing doesn't work, say they beat up or sexually assault you or your shared children!).

Lastly, it seems pretty clear and obvious that Chad "led" Lori into this current state of mind.

Irrespective of anything else, it is he who knew the infrastructure (AVOW, PaP, etc.) and its key players with F2F intimacy, to the point where all of the key players appear to consider Chad's words "as good as" if they were spoken by a divinity, to the point where they are willing to hang their hats on this in public ("Chad says this is a custody debate? Okee dokee!").

IMO, "The Cult" swirls around "Publisher and Motivational Speaker" Chad, not Lori. Without Chad, Lori's just another second-class divorced Mormon woman (paraphrase of Lori's Hawaii friend April from Dateline).

Chad's good at the talkin'; Lori's good at the killin'.

As for the "with other family members" contingent, these people are IMO delusional and have not so much as an inch of wooden pegleg to stand upon.

We know from several family members and all the things that we're seeing behind the scenes, that LE has interviewed and searched the property with everyone with any type of familial connection to Lori and/or Chad that they can locate.

None of these people are criminal masterminds, and none of them have done a good job of hiding their whereabouts, because well, they weren't expecting to have to.

They have found and (presumably, since they know where to find all these people) searched the homes of Colby Ryan, Melanie B-P, Brandon Boudreaux, Melanie Gibb (friend), Zulema Pastenes (AxC's widow of 10 days), Lori's surviving sister Summer, Lori's surviving brother AdC (estranged and making no bones about it), at least one of Chad's brothers (IIRC the youngest, Matthew, who has given a press statement denouncing these latest developments and stating they, too, have been estranged for some time); Lori's parents (Cox family); Chad's parents; Tammy Daybell's parents (Douglas family, as per our VI @Maxxer500, who also said, at minimum, that their own home had been searched for the children IIRC); and any of the Daybell children's residences.

So... where are the kids, oh dear "Family has them", contingent?

About the "demon named Nick Schneider" that CV became (according to Lori):

Does anyone know the name of the guy Lori married immediately out of high school?... the marriage to a nonmember of LDS that ended very quickly at her family's insistence?

Very curious if the name of the "demon that CV became" (according to Lori) matched up. To me, that would raise the question whether Lori had shared the information about that early marriage with Chad, who then used that information and his awareness of her insecurities about her own connection to the church to manipulate Lori into seeing her husband (who had not been LDS before he met Lori) as a manifestation of her earlier mistake and one she must demonstrate herself defeating to prove her true connection to the church.

Going through the timeline, I watched a video of an interview with JR that had been posted there. One of the things that caught my attention is JR saying that Chad had told her and others about his premonitions about seeing his wife dead long before she actually died. When I saw that, I chuckled to myself, wondering if Chad shared visions of his wife dying every time a good looking woman who seemed a little out of his league gave him a little extra attention. It's manipulative, like subtly saying "Don't consider my wife an obstacle to what could happen between us."

Disclosures like that would send most people with good sense packing, but within the context of all these people sharing their visions and extra-sightedness, and making each other feel special about those gifts, it just kind of blends into the woodwork, at least until his wife does actually prematurely die and he shortly thereafter marries someone who, at least in appearance, seems a little out of Chad's league.

All that said, watching the body language when the two of them have been together recently, Chad seems more follower than leader in their two-person dynamic - like a pup on a leash. That does not excuse him his role in any part of this and we all know how much Lori values the pup on a leash once its lost its utility to her.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Could you spell out what the initials are?
FLDS
YFZ
MCC
Also who is Warren Jeff's and Avenatti? Maybe you have a link?

(I am about 20 pages behind so you may well have provided more info - am catching up.)

Don't want to go down the rabbit hole on these, but google "Avenatti MCC" and then "FLDS YFZ".

Avenatti is completely unrelated, except as he is a similar "High Profile Innocent Narcissist" given special jailhouse privileges, (like his own private cell) who is also recently facing bad music though his MCC jail experience is somewhat different from Lori's. FLDS are likely not related at this time other than being an offshoot, "Fundamentalist" LDS sect. ergo: FLDS
I don't know if there's an acronym for the Chad/Lori New Age LDS, other than perhaps NALDS.

 

[squareandrabbet]

IIRC, the VI said that he or she thought someone (maybe another family member?) might have given LE a phony tip to cause this search to happen, maybe because they perceived he or she was not staying quiet and expressing support for Chad in the way they liked. There is no indication that any other members of the Douglas family have been searched, nor really any reason to think this would bear fruit or that they would be willing to cover for Chad's new spouse or even Chad.

MOO

Oh, thank you for that reminder!!

I think the main point should still stand, though: the Douglases aren't some mysterious hidden entity/monolith. They're right where they should be (er, wherever that is), and can be found at any time to be searched if LE wants.

This is important to stress, IMO, simply because we know there are die-hards out there who will sternly avow that no, we cannot say the kids are "not with family", because there are several hundred people across the U.S. with these surnames (especially, I imagine, "Douglas"); and thus someone indeed could have shuttled the kids to Guam or the moon (a bit of hyperbole here on my part).