Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #27

[nhmemorymaker]

Yeah, That's basically what I was saying at the beginning of my post!! There is more information on Tylee's outlook/ struggles in Colby's longer FB interview with Justin Lum, here:
RAW INTERVIEW: Full 42 minutes with Colby Ryan

He talks about Tylee going through a rough patch about a yr. prior, and that he had been mentoring her.

Colby also said it was very strange that Tylee didn't tell him they were moving all the way to Idaho...?!

Anyway it's a good insight into her, and her personality.

As I said in my final photo post: My feelings are that Lori indeed let Tylee know this was a "farewell, time to fly the nest trip".... and even may have guilted her into it with their presumed financial situation, if, as I suspect Tylee would be reluctant to leave JJ....

I do think she thought she was headed to BYU after that trip, maybe with another "friend". This was the general lie Lori told at least a few people, and should anyone compare notes, I think she'd want them to line up. I really wish we knew more about who left that Park, and how they left.... Part of me wonders if it was only one of the supposed locations they planned to visit on that trip... And if there was a possibility someone took her from there to say..... the desert of AZ (another possible burial sit imo) for example.

I'm glad you're thinking about this too!!

MOO.

Thanks for posting the Colby/Justin Lum interview again... Really worth re-watching. I can't believe I second-guessed him in the beginning. Listening to Colby, and how hard it was living through all this drama is so heartbreaking. And how I agree with the goals for the day. As I have expressed before. YNP was Tylee's destination, not Lori and Alex' final destination.

 

[GiGi4277]

I saw a report that Chad responded to a reporter when he left Hawaii that the kids are safe and I also believe a neighbor or some other third party reported he said essentially the same thing, without elaborating. I also saw that Christopher Parret of AVOW, one of the few supporters of the couple to speak publicly, said "they told him what has been going on with the kids, the marriage, Tammy's death, etc." and that the situation boils down to a “nasty, ugly custody case…involving major sums of money driven by ‘Grandma." Have there been any other statements, by either Chad or someone on his behalf, to the effect that the kids are safe or with some purported explanation as to what is going on?

I'm assuming LE has been or will be knocking on Parret's door. … Having said that BOTH Lori and Chad "told him what has been going on with the kids" makes him an important witness, in my opinion. Any thoughts on this by you all?

The only thing that gives me pause, other than Parret is probably a whackadoodle, is why is he the only one saying the kids are alive? Lori and Chad aren't and they're the focus of all this. Parret's statement seems like a diversion tactic aimed at nervous cult members who may not like the attention this case is bringing their way.

 

[Tortoise]

Based on my memory so not a reliable source, the babysitter said Lori's brother showed up at Lori's apartment and the two of them left for the airport together. Lori returned from the airport with a woman who the babysitter remembers as being someone who did a podcast with Lori. I don't remember the babysitter saying anything about Alex (assuming he is "the brother" she met) returning.

IMO it wouldn't be odd that the babysitter did not see Alex return. He lived practically next door at the time so no reason for him to enter Lori's apartment in the evening, he probably went straight home.

On the other hand, I do read between the lines that maybe "the brother" could have been CD who was being driven to the airport since, as PicklePuck mentions, CD was on an airplane that day flying to Phoenix. I don't think any of us who have followed the case for more than a few minutes would doubt that Lori lied to the babysitter about the man who showed up being her brother. Or lied to the babysitter about anything. She lies. A lot.

Yes they need to show the babysitter photos of Alex and Chad and see if she can identify who she saw.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have some thoughts to share from the psychological perspective; I am by no means professional, I am only for a long time interested in psychology and read a lot of research on the topic, so this is JMO MOO:
Re Chad:
- as it was mentioned before by another author, it is very possible that Chad suffered an indiagnosted brain injury. There is a lot of (sometimes controversial) research on the topic, how brain injuries might affect person's behaviour, understanding of the world, cause hallucinations, anti social behavior, sociopathy etc. As it seems he has never been tested for this (see citation from his book posted before, that he did not tell anyone at the time), this very well might be the case.
Now taking into account the social surroundings (LDS church), which not only dissapproves of, but even approves of personal revelations, as it was many times confirmed by LDS followers in this thread (my knowledge of LDS is only from this forum though); even motivation to seek such revelations, talk to HS etc; moreover having revelations brings a person "to the top" of the church community (because "only the best" receive this blessing) - there is a big possibility for a person to become disillusioned and motivated to believe in his own fantasies, especially if supported by wife (Tammy, who believed him) and others (people on forums, book readers, etc), and not condemned (because it all fits into LDS doctrine).

Re Lori:
- given info about the childhood and parents that are anti-government (? don't know how much supported this claim is), it seems Lori's (and siblings') childhood was spent in kind of paranoic and sociopathic family with religious background. Lori is called "mystery" by high school friend, she was quiet and attending LDS seminary, which supports this claim. Her first marriage seems like a protest against this state of things, as well as numerous divorces that are not supported by any Christian religion as far as I know, so I believe LDS church also wouldn't support, so kind of making her a "bad sheep" according to her parents views. Given the good looks, personal attraction (source of NPD?), very feminine behavior - there is most probably a psychological conflict between not being a "good girl" according to family standards, striving (with time) to fix this, and personal interests to live a nice life with wealthy husband that adores her beauty and does what she wants, because she is very special.
AxC, AdC and other siblings were also raised in the same surroundings, and this should be taken into account. The agressive and sociopathic attitute towards external world might very well be caused by the same childhood. That's why AxC was so much eager to "defend" Lori, as well as niece and sister that are clearly on the side of the "family" no matter what; and parents we've heard no word from.
- now what comes to my attention is that she was called a perfect mom by CR, babysitter, as well as by many other witnesses; she was also adored by CV for a long time (according to many witnesses as well), so most probably that was the period of her striving to be righteous and good in all respects, and there was a trigger that brought her paranoia and sociopathic past to the surface, something like a seed planted into a prepared (by childhood and personal conflicts) soil. In this case most probably it would be meeting with Chad and other preppers, whose beliefs supported her hidden paranoia, anti-government and religious beliefs, as well as gave her a long needed "sense of life", where she is more important than others, she is the chosen one (NPD again).

Now, I remember reading in support documents on this thread that Doomsday beliefs that Chad and Lori share, seem to show that Doomsday will start with government actions which will lead to the war. So it seems that anti-government beliefs are tightly knit with the religious beliefs, and this all situation might be treated by most of Lori's "prepared" family and their doomsday cult as just another proof of their visions. That could also explain kids disappearance ("taking them into safe haven"), cutting kids from communication long before they were gone (Tylee stopped using social media etc, not saying where they are going even to Colby etc), not wanting to present them to the authorities, as well as strong support by immediate family (AxC, MBP, ZP etc). They do believe this is all a big government plot against them, and they are doing the right thing. Because the end of government is near.

It's interesting to look at the quote from CV and LV divorce court documents about Nick Shneider. I've googled who that could be. It came to my attention that there was one Nicholas Shneider that "on the basis of Kennedy speeches put him forward as model American and Christian in a way that all too obviously equates them". He wrote numerous books on religious views of president. Could that be that CV was named Nick Shneider as a government supporter who named government as a representative of Christian rule, which would make him an enemy of anti-government and Doomsday belief groups?

Add here their genuine belief that they are gods, and God leads them in all what's happening, and everything will be the way God promised ("to them")...

Just my thoughts

Well written thoughts...thank you. I still wonder just how real the near death experience was... how could he not tell anyone, including his parents. Interesting reading about Nich Schneider too... thanks for adding the book pages. It looks like you are new here...so I suggest that if you have not read some of the posts from idaidaidaho, i encourage you to do that. She provides such a personal internal view of living this doomsday way of life.

 

[April_Dawn99]

Well written thoughts...thank you. I still wonder just how real the near death experience was... how could he not tell anyone, including his parents. Interesting reading about Nich Schneider too... thanks for adding the book pages. It looks like you are new here...so I suggest that if you have not read some of the posts from idaidaidaho, i encourage you to do that. She provides such a personal internal view of living this doomsday way of life.

Oh yes, thank you, I've read all the posts, and idaidaidaho's posts are very interesting and valuable!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have some thoughts to share from the psychological perspective; I am by no means professional, I am only for a long time interested in psychology and read a lot of research on the topic, so this is JMO MOO:
Re Chad:
- as it was mentioned before by another author, it is very possible that Chad suffered an indiagnosted brain injury. There is a lot of (sometimes controversial) research on the topic, how brain injuries might affect person's behaviour, understanding of the world, cause hallucinations, anti social behavior, sociopathy etc. As it seems he has never been tested for this (see citation from his book posted before, that he did not tell anyone at the time), this very well might be the case.
Now taking into account the social surroundings (LDS church), which not only dissapproves of, but even approves of personal revelations, as it was many times confirmed by LDS followers in this thread (my knowledge of LDS is only from this forum though); even motivation to seek such revelations, talk to HS etc; moreover having revelations brings a person "to the top" of the church community (because "only the best" receive this blessing) - there is a big possibility for a person to become disillusioned and motivated to believe in his own fantasies, especially if supported by wife (Tammy, who believed him) and others (people on forums, book readers, etc), and not condemned (because it all fits into LDS doctrine).

Re Lori:
- given info about the childhood and parents that are anti-government (? don't know how much supported this claim is), it seems Lori's (and siblings') childhood was spent in kind of paranoic and sociopathic family with religious background. Lori is called "mystery" by high school friend, she was quiet and attending LDS seminary, which supports this claim. Her first marriage seems like a protest against this state of things, as well as numerous divorces that are not supported by any Christian religion as far as I know, so I believe LDS church also wouldn't support, so kind of making her a "bad sheep" according to her parents views. Given the good looks, personal attraction (source of NPD?), very feminine behavior - there is most probably a psychological conflict between not being a "good girl" according to family standards, striving (with time) to fix this, and personal interests to live a nice life with wealthy husband that adores her beauty and does what she wants, because she is very special.
AxC, AdC and other siblings were also raised in the same surroundings, and this should be taken into account. The agressive and sociopathic attitute towards external world might very well be caused by the same childhood. That's why AxC was so much eager to "defend" Lori, as well as niece and sister that are clearly on the side of the "family" no matter what; and parents we've heard no word from.
- now what comes to my attention is that she was called a perfect mom by CR, babysitter, as well as by many other witnesses; she was also adored by CV for a long time (according to many witnesses as well), so most probably that was the period of her striving to be righteous and good in all respects, and there was a trigger that brought her paranoia and sociopathic past to the surface, something like a seed planted into a prepared (by childhood and personal conflicts) soil. In this case most probably it would be meeting with Chad and other preppers, whose beliefs supported her hidden paranoia, anti-government and religious beliefs, as well as gave her a long needed "sense of life", where she is more important than others, she is the chosen one (NPD again).

Now, I remember reading in support documents on this thread that Doomsday beliefs that Chad and Lori share, seem to show that Doomsday will start with government actions which will lead to the war. So it seems that anti-government beliefs are tightly knit with the religious beliefs, and this all situation might be treated by most of Lori's "prepared" family and their doomsday cult as just another proof of their visions. That could also explain kids disappearance ("taking them into safe haven"), cutting kids from communication long before they were gone (Tylee stopped using social media etc, not saying where they are going even to Colby etc), not wanting to present them to the authorities, as well as strong support by immediate family (AxC, MBP, ZP etc). They do believe this is all a big government plot against them, and they are doing the right thing. Because the end of government is near.

It's interesting to look at the quote from CV and LV divorce court documents about Nick Shneider. I've googled who that could be. It came to my attention that there was one Nicholas Shneider that "on the basis of Kennedy speeches put him forward as model American and Christian in a way that all too obviously equates them". He wrote numerous books on religious views of president. Could that be that CV was named Nick Shneider as a government supporter who named government as a representative of Christian rule, which would make him an enemy of anti-government and Doomsday belief groups?

Add here their genuine belief that they are gods, and God leads them in all what's happening, and everything will be the way God promised ("to them")...

Just my thoughts

Well written thoughts...thank you. I still wonder just how real the near death experience was... how could he not tell anyone, including his parents. Interesting reading about Nich Schneider too... thanks for adding the book pages. It looks like you are new here...so I suggest that if you have not read some of the posts from idaidaidaho, i encourage you to do that. She provides such a personal internal view of living this doomsday way of life.

I feel as if Tylee lived in a unstable bubble that Lori created. It's possible Tylee was expressing her own desires to break out and become independent and that could have interfered with Lori controlling Tylee's money. Lori didn't need Tylee - Lori just needed control over Tylee's funds. Harsh and horrible... hurts to even type it. I wonder what Tylee wanted her life to be?

jmo

Such a truth!---> Hurts to even type it. The more we learn the pains over Tylee, Tammy, Charles...is just overwhelming. Where are Tylees friends??? Listening to Colby's interview about the mindblowing changes of his mom, had to be so much worse for Tylee, living through it in real time. Thank God she had JJ. and vice versa.

 

[GiGi4277]

I saw a report that Chad responded to a reporter when he left Hawaii that the kids are safe and I also believe a neighbor or some other third party reported he said essentially the same thing, without elaborating. I also saw that Christopher Parret of AVOW, one of the few supporters of the couple to speak publicly, said "they told him what has been going on with the kids, the marriage, Tammy's death, etc." and that the situation boils down to a “nasty, ugly custody case…involving major sums of money driven by ‘Grandma." Have there been any other statements, by either Chad or someone on his behalf, to the effect that the kids are safe or with some purported explanation as to what is going on?

I'm assuming LE has been or will be knocking on Parret's door. … Having said that BOTH Lori and Chad "told him what has been going on with the kids" makes him an important witness, in my opinion. Any thoughts on this by you all?

The only thing that gives me pause, other than Parret is probably a whackadoodle, is why is he the only one saying the kids are alive? Lori and Chad aren't and they're the focus of all this. Parret's statement seems like a diversion tactic aimed at nervous cult members who may not like the attention this case is bringing their way.

I don't think LE would have charged her in the first place if they were not confident the evidence was enough to ensure a conviction. Imo

Agreed. I think they charged her with this because it's plain as day she deserted. Still, as far as the public knows, they may not have enough to formally charge her yet for the kids being gone. They don't want those charges to fall apart in court, so they nab her with an easy to prove charge.

Also, the non-support aspect of the charge, I think, ties directly into why they brought up the SS money for JJ and Tylee last week in court. Not financially supporting but still getting SS. I wonder if they did this as a precursor to her maybe bailing out and them getting her on federal SS fraud charges, arresting her before she gets a breath of fresh air?

 

[GiGi4277]

I've been wondering about Chad's emotional maturity. It seems like he pretty much did what he wanted, when he wanted. Being a self styled prophet got him some "center of attention" time. Tammy was in charge of finances. He wrote about past girlfriends and dates like he was a junior in high school.

I wonder if he's a bit lost with Lori not calling the shots. I still think given enough pressure he might just crack.

Jmo

I think Chad will crack first. Lori was calm as a cucumber in court last week. Chad looked like a deer in the headlights.

 

[GiGi4277]

QUOTE="BigAl16, post: 15919128, member: 257587"]Good question for which I don't know the answer. I would think that cluing the defense attorneys in could potentially backfire as they might use that against the leakers, but the leak (if that was in the plan) could be a win-win for all concerned except (maybe) the bail bond company, and I'm okay with them getting the short end here. No one wins with the bail money being spent in this scenario except the bail bond company. That includes the general public. MOO

I would think, with 3 defense attorneys engaged (leak or no leak), they would advise her about the pro's and con's of making bail. The preliminary hearing is 10 days away, if they are confident (and I don't know why they would be) that the charges get dismissed, and the felony counts don't get bound over to district court, she would be out of jail (saving 80-100k). Alternatively, if they expect more charges, they may advise against depleting the limited resources that will likely be required to fight future charges. In the event, the prosecution prevails (and all they need to do is prove probable cause) and it get's bound over to district court they could always post at that time. Lastly, she could choose to prove the children are alive and avoid much of this mess. She and Chad are between a rock and a hard place - right where LE wants them. MOO

Even through the preliminary hearing I expect the prosecution to only present enough evidence and witnesses to make the probable cause case and save the rest for trial. MOO[/QUOTE]
You know Chad's attorney has to be advising him to hold back in case he needs that money for defense. Unless Chad hid some of the life insurance money, they've gone through a good bit if you look at what they said his average daily balance was. $132k. She's hired 3 attorneys. Can't be cheap.

 

[raysgirl1126]

EXHUMED EVIDENCE: THE DEATH OF TAMMY DAYBELL

I wonder if the autopsy results are in? IMO

 

[Gardener1850]

Circumstantial evidence holds more weight in court than most people think. Hypothetically, if Tammy died by poison and the police were to arrest Chad for her murder, here is some of the evidence we already know about:

1. Chad was sleeping in the room where Tammy died and claims he didn't notice her fall out of bed and die on the floor until hours after her death. The Medical Examiner or an expert in the type of poison she died from can be put on the stand to detail what her death would have been like and the improbability of Chad sleeping through it or witnessing part of it and not calling 911.

2. Chad declined an autopsy. While the sheriff maintains the coroner had the final say, the specific conversation between Chad and the coroner has been kept under wraps. He may have said something that seemed convincing at the time that turns out to be very damning when her cause of death is discovered.

3. Chad told others that he had a vision of Tammy dying before it happened. While our main source of this (Julie R) is iffy for credibility, if she is going to be a witness or if he told other people the same thing, it could be used as evidence of premeditation.

4. Chad may have been having an affair with Lori before Tammy died. At the very least we know there was some shenanigans going on. Lori goes from reading his books to going to conferences where he is speaking, then she is doing podcasts with him. Then she is sending video of herself dancing. And then there's the whole fake email address in Charles' name set up to send Chad a forged letter from Charles, the purpose of which seems to be to give Chad an excuse to get away and come see Lori in Arizona... Something tells me that those emails are the tip of the iceberg in the digital trail between Lori and Chad prior to Tammy's death (and prior to Charles' death too).

5. Chad increased Tammy's life insurance before her death.

6. Tammy and Chad's entire financial picture, including their past bankruptcy can be presented as evidence. If it's true what Julie R said about Chad telling her he and Tammy were struggling financially, then that can be pointed out as a financial motive.

7. Chad moved out of the home he shared with Tammy the day after her memorial service. He supposedly claimed he was going to Hawaii to grieve and for business (editing a book). We don't know when he really left for HI. Hypothetically, if he lied about when he was going to Hawaii and why, and instead went to live with Lori then it's circumstantial evidence of a cover-up.

8. Chad immediately began removing all reminders of Tammy from his life after her death. He told his in-laws he would probably never visit. He told his kids he wanted to sell the house and close down the book publishing business he and Tammy had built since 2004. But even more telling is that he started to talk about this "new direction" before Tammy died, allegedly telling a stranger on an airplane on Sept 19th that he wasn't going to be writing those end-times books anymore.

9. Chad seemingly hid his marriage to Lori at first. When the police came to ask about JJ, he made it seem like he barely knew Lori and didn't know her phone number, while he was actually already married to her. He apparently told his kids that he met Lori in Hawaii while working on book or editing a book for someone and they spontaneously decided to marry while there. He told them about marrying Lori sometime after the wedding happened.

10. The letter Chad wrote to GRI/AVOW after Tammy's death. We can't see this entire letter but the rest could be revealing. What also may be revealing-- when did Chad first write it? His computer may have the answer.

Here's some ideas for evidence LE may have that we know nothing about:

1. How the poison was administered to Tammy. If it was slipped into something she ate or drank, there are a limited number of people who had access to her to do that.

2. Evidence showing knowledge of the poison used. There could be internet searches. It could have been something in one of Chad's books somewhere. Or there may be someone who taught a wilderness survival class and showed Chad which plants were poisonous and that person can testify that he had knowledge of the poison.

3. Evidence showing access to the poison or when it was obtained. Was it a household chemical that was found in the Daybell house? A plant known to grow in their yard? A prescription drug that he had access to?

4. The 911 call when Tammy died. This is being withheld as evidence in the case. I've wondered before-- did Chad possibly decline to do CPR? Did he show knowledge that Tammy had been dead for a couple hours at that point? He is not a doctor, so how would he know her time of death for certain unless he witnessed it happen?

5. Texts, emails and phone calls may reveal a lot more than we expect. Even deleted messages can be recovered sometimes.

6. The masked man with a gun encounter 10 days before her death. We know nothing indicating Chad had any part in that, but that doesn't mean LE has no evidence connecting him to it. Someone had to tell the shooter approximately when Tammy would be arriving home, where to stand, which direction to run off, the best place to park a getaway car or to get picked up by another accomplice, etc.

7. Where was Chad and what was he doing while he sent Tammy to visit her parents? The answer to this could be revealing.

8. Why did Chad fly to Mesa, AZ on Sept 19th, the same day Lori got a babysitter for JJ, told the babysitter she was going to the airport and then returned with a podcaster woman?

9. The storage CCTV. If that's Chad on video on certain days it could reveal some things.

10. LE Surveillance of Lori may be revealing of Chad's movements. Gilbert PD started surveiling Lori Nov 1st in the investigation into BB's attempted murder.

MOO.

Oh, I thought of more. Add to list #2 above:

11. Info from BB's PI hired after the attempted shooting on Oct 2. The PI was hired to find Melani and the Jeep which belonged to Charles Vallow on Oct 13th. Tammy died on the 19th. While Chad may not have been involved in this plot on BB, if the PI was surveilling Lori (who had possession of the Jeep) those 5 days he may have info about Chad's movements and communications as well.

12. The 43 items that were collected from the Daybell home during the warrant, including “computers, cell phones, journals, documents and medications." We have no idea what is in all this evidence.

13. The content of the podcasts Chad did with Lori prior to Tammy's death. These have been removed from the public but LE could obtain them with a warrant and the fellow podcasters, whom we haven't heard from in the media, may have incriminating knowledge of Lori and Chad's interactions while not recording. At the very least, we know Melani Gibb is cooperating.

14. Chad's message board postings and communications with his friends online both before and after Tammy's death. Even if those in the "cult" are loyal to Chad and not talking, the things he wrote to others on private forums or private messages can be obtained with warrants and may come back to bite him.

15. Chad's church membership status and/or things he told members of his church before and after Tammy's death. He either stepped down from his calling or was asked to leave it after his marriage to Lori. While clergy may be allowed to keep a confidence under the law, that doesn't apply to volunteer church workers or fellow members. Chad would have interacted with several people in Springville and Rexburg just to plan Tammy's funeral and memorial. Those interactions could be witness testimony if there was anything unusual about his behavior or requests. And if he didn't interact with people he would be expected to, but had one of his kids or someone else make all the arrangements that could also be telling.

16. Testimony from Tammy's family members. We know Chad lied to Tammy's family about Lori's children. Did he tell any lies to Tammy's family about her death? At the very beginning of this case it was reported that Tammy had a "4 hour autopsy" when she died. That turned out to be bad info and it turned out Tammy didn't have a first autopsy at all. It could have simply been a media error in reporting. But what if it was a lie from someone who would not want Tammy's family to know that he declined an autopsy? Any attempts to cut Tammy's family off from her kids and blame her family for the police investigation, may also be revealing.

MOO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Also, from the timeline:

16 Mar 2017 – Tylee creates a project on Prezi about Linear Functions: #1:

Now we know this was a school project she did at Desert Ridge High School in Gilbert.

And:

29 Mar 2017 – Tylee creates a Roblox account under username “Typicaltylee”. Profile - Roblox

The day after she enrolls in a new HS she creates a new Roblox account. Was this so she could talk to someone at her new school? Or her old one? I wonder why the change of schools after such a short time?

Oh, and this is where I had seen Perry High mentioned before from the timeline:

24 Sept 2017 – Tylee’s 15th birthday. Lori posts a “happy birthday” message to her on Instagram that mentions Perry High School in Gilbert, AZ. @lolo4kauai on Instagram: “My Beautiful daughter turned 15 today ! Happy birthday Ty Ty !! I love you so much!!! JJ says "hi Tylee Ryan Perry High School " ”

This is really interesting because it shows JJ knew the name of Tylee's school even though she had changed schools 3 times in the past year. JJ was paying attention. MOO.

All these sites--Prezi, Roblox? Are these typical teenage sites, or school sponsored sites?? The Roblox site shows "friends"... I wonder if any of them have spoken up at all???

 

[GiGi4277]

I have been wondering, if the autopsy results come back and show foul play, how then will LE link Chad to her murder? It seems that if they already had any physical evidence, he would have been arrested. I can think of two ways right now he could be found responsible. One would be through the troves of digital evidence they have. The other, the statements he has made regarding her death. If it comes back she died by a poison or method that would have made her death violent or difficult—instead of peacefully passing in her sleep with some coughing before bed—then he can be considered complicit or responsible. Any other thoughts on how he could be linked to her death IF Tammy’s autopsy results indicate murder? MOO

Honestly, this is the one area that makes me nervous. If it comes back inconclusive, he will walk on charges for her death. I think him being in bed with her and the last one to see her would raise enough reasonable suspicion to bring him in for questioning at the least.

 

[GiGi4277]

All these sites--Prezi, Roblox? Are these typical teenage sites, or school sponsored sites?? The Roblox site shows "friends"... I wonder if any of them have spoken up at all???

Yes, My kids use both.

 

[jjenny]

I was thinking the same. IMO I think when asked if his children were okay and he replied with yes, I think he was referring to his own children. Honestly, I don’t even know if he EVER referred to JJ and TR as his stepchildren. Remember that document online where he told either his mom or one of his friends that LV didn’t have any children?

MOO

They went missing before Chad married Lori. They were never actually his step children, and he was never their step father.

 

[GiGi4277]

Since bail hasn't been posted, I wonder that it won't be. It's in Chad's best interest to keep her in jail away from himself. I agree...the crack might be forming.

You have to wonder if he reads the media reports, Twitter, etc. and finally sees how they're viewed by 99% of the population? It would be daunting to know you're one of the most hated people in the country right now.

 

[jjenny]

Honestly, this is the one area that makes me nervous. If it comes back inconclusive, he will walk on charges for her death. I think him being in bed with her and the last one to see her would raise enough reasonable suspicion to bring him in for questioning at the least.

Authorities screwed up by not doing autopsy right away. Like sheriff pointed out, they didn't need permission from family, coroner could have ordered it.
Coroner in Idaho is an elected position, and this particular coroner only has High School diploma, not even B.S., let alone M.D. Not sure how she is supposed to be figuring out if death is suspicious enough to order an autopsy, but Tammy was a fairly young woman with no history of health problems. If autopsy was done right away, and blood was collected right away, it would have been easier to figure out what killed Tammy. Now it might be impossible.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Oh, I thought of more. Add to list #2 above:

11. Info from BB's PI hired after the attempted shooting on Oct 2. The PI was hired to find Melani and the Jeep which belonged to Charles Vallow on Oct 13th. Tammy died on the 19th. While Chad may not have been involved in this plot on BB, if the PI was surveilling Lori (who had possession of the Jeep) those 5 days he may have info about Chad's movements and communications as well.

12. The 43 items that were collected from the Daybell home during the warrant, including “computers, cell phones, journals, documents and medications." We have no idea what is in all this evidence.

13. The content of the podcasts Chad did with Lori prior to Tammy's death. These have been removed from the public but LE could obtain them with a warrant and the fellow podcasters, whom we haven't heard from in the media, may have incriminating knowledge of Lori and Chad's interactions while not recording. At the very least, we know Melani Gibb is cooperating.

14. Chad's message board postings and communications with his friends online both before and after Tammy's death. Even if those in the "cult" are loyal to Chad and not talking, the things he wrote to others on private forums or private messages can be obtained with warrants and may come back to bite him.

15. Chad's church membership status and/or things he told members of his church before and after Tammy's death. He either stepped down from his calling or was asked to leave it after his marriage to Lori. While clergy may be allowed to keep a confidence under the law, that doesn't apply to volunteer church workers or fellow members. Chad would have interacted with several people in Springville and Rexburg just to plan Tammy's funeral and memorial. Those interactions could be witness testimony if there was anything unusual about his behavior or requests. And if he didn't interact with people he would be expected to, but had one of his kids or someone else make all the arrangements that could also be telling.

16. Testimony from Tammy's family members. We know Chad lied to Tammy's family about Lori's children. Did he tell any lies to Tammy's family about her death? At the very beginning of this case it was reported that Tammy had a "4 hour autopsy" when she died. That turned out to be bad info and it turned out Tammy didn't have a first autopsy at all. It could have simply been a media error in reporting. But what if it was a lie from someone who would not want Tammy's family to know that he declined an autopsy? Any attempts to cut Tammy's family off from her kids and blame her family for the police investigation, may also be revealing.

MOO.

And the latest subpoenas from JJ's elementary school in Rexburg, and resort and landlord in Kauai. The information from Kauai may be very revealing. Jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have been wondering, if the autopsy results come back and show foul play, how then will LE link Chad to her murder? It seems that if they already had any physical evidence, he would have been arrested. I can think of two ways right now he could be found responsible. One would be through the troves of digital evidence they have. The other, the statements he has made regarding her death. If it comes back she died by a poison or method that would have made her death violent or difficult—instead of peacefully passing in her sleep with some coughing before bed—then he can be considered complicit or responsible. Any other thoughts on how he could be linked to her death IF Tammy’s autopsy results indicate murder? MOO

The delay in hearing back on the autopsy is so frustrating, but I feel they are researching like crazy as they go along. Autopsy results can bring up some information early, but other types of information takes longer. Coupled with what we know about Alex' death, Alex' employment with a hazardous waste company. I am just thinking/hoping they are making sure to dot all the i's and cross all the t's. My wildest hope is that they have someway to go back and address JR's death too. Though so unlikely because of how/when he was found, and was cremated.

 

[Trixie Belden Detective]

EXHUMED EVIDENCE: THE DEATH OF TAMMY DAYBELL

I wonder if the autopsy results are in? IMO

I think this is KSL trying to stay relevant. I think they used the word "exhumed" to catch attention. The Sheriff's Dept wouldn't use a news station from out of state to release the results. MOO