Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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  • #81
I don't know if this was posted yet, here is the operative statement:

“The state might need additional time to gather and prepare witnesses, to gather evidence and there could potentially be charges from other jurisdictions that they might know about and they’re trying to consolidate them all together,” Garner says. “When it does happen, the state will put on a portion of their case to show probable cause. The defense is there to cross-examine and try to narrow down the issues and find additional information that has not been released.”

Preliminary hearing for Lori Daybell likely postponed, attorneys request new judge | East Idaho News
 
  • #82
I agree. But my point is that if it were a simple case, wouldn't the defense already have a bunch of standard narratives ready? No need for extra time before the prelim hearing if SOP arguments and motions can apply to Lori's "not complex" case. They would want to get on with it and defend her case ASAP if it was simple and they already knew everything about it there was to know. I think the defense has never defended anyone like Lori before (I can't imagine what she is telling them :eek: ) and Idaho has never seen a case this complex before. MOO.

I was being more simplistic as it relates to these specific charges. Prosecutors probably have everything there going to have for the current charges and the defense is handcuffed for sure. Produce the kids and it’s over but kind of hard to do when it’s physically impossible as we’ve surmised. Leaves them with lies and trying to pick at the process (new judge, maybe venue change, etc) instead of substance. Deflect, delay and confound until there’s nothing left.

I agree the entire circus encompassing the totality of all the players is very complex. Its made even more difficult that we’re likely dealing with secretive people. They’re also running for cover with so many eyes on them. But the current charges are pretty basic with few remedies to argue.
 
  • #83
IMO The way I understand it is until they are named POI we cannot sleuth them here. MODS please correct me if I am wrong.
Yes it is similar to MBP/IP and ZPP.
(MOO as I am not a mod)
 
  • #84
I have in my notes it was canceled. Next status hearing for guardianship was moved Mar 16 last time I saw it posted. I think @Ohmeohmy has been keeping us updated with the court case link. Sorry, I don't have the Idaho court website handy right now.

Oh ok, thank you! I know you are an expert on this case! So who currently has “custody” of the kids? Lori still or the court? If it’s the court, can’t they charge her with kidnapping?
 
  • #85
But really, what are the other options? If, like me, you take it a given that the events Chad described here never happened, then there are really only three possible explanations for why he said they did.

The first and most innocuous is that Chad wrote stories like this to teach good principles in a humorous and engaging manner. If he'd never insisted they were real, it might have been reasonable to assume he had written them with tongue firmly in cheek. But Chad insists these strange things happened exactly as he said they did. So he himself rules out the most favorable interpretation.

The second possible explanation for Chad writing stories like "Eddie" and insisting they're real is he's insane. He wrote them because he genuinely believed he had experienced them. But to me this is not plausible. The stories are far, far too neat to be the product of a truly deranged and psychotic mind. This explanation does not pass the sniff test.

The third possible explanation, and to me the only remotely persuasive one, is that Chad made these stories up. In other words, he lied. Why did he lie? Well, I'm not a psychologist, but it seems to me there are two very obvious motivations: 1) he wanted to feel special and 2) he wanted to make money. Telling quirky tales and putting them into a book that people bought . . . Well, what's not to love?

RSBM

I like your post a lot. If I want to be charitable to Chad (I don't really, but) I would include a variation on your second explanation. Or maybe it's the fourth possible explanation. Someone raised to believe deeply in the supernatural, or who has an unwavering belief in the supernatural because it feels right, will then have trouble distinguishing between his imagination and what's real. It's not really insanity and it's not really dishonesty as a teller of the tale. I've seen this many times in acquaintances.
 
  • #86
I have in my notes it was canceled. Next status hearing for guardianship was moved Mar 16 last time I saw it posted. I think @Ohmeohmy has been keeping us updated with the court case link. Sorry, I don't have the Idaho court website handy right now.

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Case Information

CV33-20-0088 | In the Matter of the Guardianship and Conservatorship of: Joshua Vallow, A Minor Child.


Case Number
CV33-20-0088

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Eddins, Faren Z.

File Date
01/29/2020

Case Type
G3a- Joint Petition Guard/Conserv (Minor) Same Party

Case Status
Active - Pending
  • 03/12/2020 Appointment of Guardian/Conservator

    Judicial Officer
    Eddins, Faren Z.

    Hearing Time
    10:00 AM

    Cancel Reason
    Vacated


  • 04/16/2020 Status Conference

    Judicial Officer
    Eddins, Faren Z.

    Hearing Time
    1:00 PM

 
  • #87
VINELink

LORI N VALLOW
Custody Record
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Age46
GenderFemale
RaceWhite
ID: Madison County Sheriff's Office
ID Number174174
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailMadison County Detention Center

Well her she sits in all here glory...MOO
 
  • #88
iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
Case Information

CV33-20-0088 | In the Matter of the Guardianship and Conservatorship of: Joshua Vallow, A Minor Child.


Case Number
CV33-20-0088

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Eddins, Faren Z.

File Date
01/29/2020

Case Type
G3a- Joint Petition Guard/Conserv (Minor) Same Party

Case Status
Active - Pending
  • 03/12/2020 Appointment of Guardian/Conservator

    Judicial Officer
    Eddins, Faren Z.

    Hearing Time
    10:00 AM

    Cancel Reason
    Vacated


  • 04/16/2020 Status Conference

    Judicial Officer
    Eddins, Faren Z.

    Hearing Time
    1:00 PM


Thank you! Do you know who currently has custody of the kids? Lori or the courts? If the courts have custody, why don’t they charge her with kidnapping?
 
  • #89
You aren't going to like this answer, and I didn't like asking google the questions but here you go:

"in optimal scent conditions (cool, damp areas with heavy vegetation and no wind) a trained trailing dog is probably capable of following a scent trail that is up to two weeks old" source

Making other assumptions about the outcome, some cadaver dogs can locate 25 year old remains buried 2 feet deep in dense woods. source
I've done lost pet searches for the past 10 years, and have a friend who has an air scent and trailing bloodhound and they volunteer in SAR for Maricopa County Sheriff's Office here in AZ. On some of my searches, when I have a confirmed sighting, we have been able to follow scent trails more than 3 weeks after. The critical aspect is the presence of moisture, in order for the scent rafts (cells) to be detected. Here in the desert, that is tough to do. But in Yellowstone it would be also tough, but potentially doable with cadaver dogs. You can have a search dog trained in air scent (follows scent based on air movement), trailing (meaning, dog is not required to follow exact path the subject took, but follows the scent the subject dispersed onto the ground during movement) or tracking (dog must keep nose to the ground and follow exact trail subject took). Having. SAR dog trained in air scent and trailing is a bonus since they follow both scent cone formations on the ground as well as having the ability to pick up on air scent to confirm they are heading toward the subject. Cadaver dogs are trained a bit different, but if they really narrowed down an area of Yellowstone, even better if it's off the path of normal visitors, it is possible. The less traffic on the scent trail, the better. I would bet that if LE has any evidence of a specific location, they will bring in cadaver dogs. JMO, from personal experiences. MOO.
Also, question for anyone who can answer: did CD and TD have any pets? Not little pets like ducks and rabbits, but like a dog or a horse? Just doing some speculating in my head. TIA
 
  • #90
YES!! It's crazy how no one (except a friend from high school) and a few other random people have come out and said anything about Lori. I mentioned something about this in the last thread. Is everyone dead? Cooperating with LE? Did she not have ANY friends?
moo
Agree! They have gone silent. I only know of 3 friends that have opened up about LVD (high school friend, J - her friend in Texas, and AR in Hawaii). Family, not so much. Her sister and sister-in-law went to the custody hearing for MBP, which shows some solidarity since MBP thinks so highly of LVD. But they have not publicly come forward regardless of what side they are on. Nothing that I have seen in MSM so far. It’s odd.

Of note, it appears to me (MOO), that LVD has trouble maintaining relationships. Out of 5 marriages, 4 have failed (CV filed for divorce and they weren’t living together at the time of his death). Her 5th marriage is too green to know which way it would have done. Three of her marriages were short. Based on that, I think she had friends that came and went just as quickly as some of the husbands. While I do think she is probably very charismatic and people are drawn to her (she’s a “gatherer” that a person who can’t be named mention, and with reason), I think she is emotionally void and can’t maintain healthy relationships. Look how she treated CR. I think her life was full of superficial relationships. ZP and MG seem to be her longest friendships (greater than a few years). I could be wrong about this but this could explain no friends or family talking about on MSM.
 
  • #91
I was being more simplistic as it relates to these specific charges. Prosecutors probably have everything there going to have for the current charges and the defense is handcuffed for sure. Produce the kids and it’s over but kind of hard to do when it’s physically impossible as we’ve surmised. Leaves them with lies and trying to pick at the process (new judge, maybe venue change, etc) instead of substance. Deflect, delay and confound until there’s nothing left.

I agree the entire circus encompassing the totality of all the players is very complex. Its made even more difficult that we’re likely dealing with secretive people. They’re also running for cover with so many eyes on them. But the current charges are pretty basic with few remedies to argue.

You may have missed it, in my post right above yours, this in the article points that they will be "unveiling" (pun, ha ha) more stuff on the poor defense attorneys:

“The state might need additional time to gather and prepare witnesses, to gather evidence and there could potentially be charges from other jurisdictions that they might know about and they’re trying to consolidate them all together,” Garner says.
 
  • #92
Yeah, I'm not going to let him off the hook that easily. First, he explicitly denies that that's what he's doing. He says more than once and over a period of years that he is writing things that really happened. Second, his style is distinctive and recognizable. Even when he's not writing "genre fiction," he tells what I assume are outright lies.

This is obviously just my opinion, but I would wager a lot of money that I am right.

He lied about not knowing Lori very well despite being married to her for 3 weeks and he lied about not knowing her phone number then later admitted he did have it. He asks others to lie, as in calling MG and asking her to say the kids are with her. He has lied saying Lori is an empty nester and has no minor children. So when he says the kids are safe I don't believe him. I think he lies about his visions too and he has lied about Tammy's death. He also encouraged Lori to lie in the email pretending to be Charles writing to Chad to deceive Tammy. This is a lot of lying for someone who was an executive secretary to the bishop in his church ward. This is only what we know about. I think he has also lied about Tammy appearing in a dream telling him to reconnect with Lori. It is pretty clear he has been lying about his affair with Lori for at least a year.

This is without even looking at his "biographical" books but I would not expect them to be truthful if he is a liar in his day to day life.
 
  • #93
iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
Case Information

CV33-20-0088 | In the Matter of the Guardianship and Conservatorship of: Joshua Vallow, A Minor Child.


Case Number
CV33-20-0088

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Eddins, Faren Z.

File Date
01/29/2020

Case Type
G3a- Joint Petition Guard/Conserv (Minor) Same Party

Case Status
Active - Pending
  • 03/12/2020 Appointment of Guardian/Conservator

    Judicial Officer
    Eddins, Faren Z.

    Hearing Time
    10:00 AM

    Cancel Reason
    Vacated


  • 04/16/2020 Status Conference

    Judicial Officer
    Eddins, Faren Z.

    Hearing Time
    1:00 PM

Thanks! @des2021 I posted wrong month in my reply to you before. See above. It's April 16th, (Not March) for the next status hearing.
 
  • #94
RSBM

I like your post a lot. If I want to be charitable to Chad (I don't really, but) I would include a variation on your second explanation. Or maybe it's the fourth possible explanation. Someone raised to believe deeply in the supernatural, or who has an unwavering belief in the supernatural because it feels right, will then have trouble distinguishing between his imagination and what's real. It's not really insanity and it's not really dishonesty as a teller of the tale. I've seen this many times in acquaintances.

You might be right, Anecdotal. And certainly I applaud efforts like yours to look for explanations besides "they're just evil." However, in this case, I think Chad's writing is so carefully crafted that it rules out the possibility of anything other than deliberate fraud. I think he knows what he's doing. But you are right to ask the question. (And of course my take may be wrong.)
 
  • #95
Yea, I find it strange that we haven't heard from anyone that attended the pool party.
It is possible that LEO know about it, and are asking people to keep a lid on it for now. At least that is what I am hoping.

MOO
I think there may only be Lori left alive from that pool party.
:-(
 
  • #96
I would love to know more about the pool party. Lori is on bodycam footage at something like 10 a.m. saying they just moved in and haven't met anyone in the neighborhood and before the day is over people are complaining about the noisy party. Lori and Alex's family are in the Phoenix area, did she invite them over? If it was family surely someone would have asked about CV, unless they knew and were there to celebrate. If it was friends of TR there would be too much risk of her talking to her friends about what happened that morning, IMO. I guess JJ didn't see anything so it could have been friends of his.

I think you might have answered your own question.

IMO, the problem with any scenario is that neither Lori nor the kids have, by Lori's own admission, been around in that area often enough to have amassed friends.

We know the attendees weren't the neighbors; because Lori betrayed that in her scant "bodycam testimony". "OOOPS! Sorry brand new neighbors!"

IMO, it makes no sense unless these attendees were already-extant intimates of Lori; and/or people who wouldn't care if it had been reported to them that someone had just died in the house (family loyal to Lori, as you suggest).

There's a hugely outside % possibility that Lori had invited a batch of brand-new-to-her peeps, and didn't think she could cancel on them on such short notice, thus opted to keep schtum but again, who amongst such a branch of people (strangers) would feel enough loyalty to Lori, not to blab to LE OR to media?

Because Lori either (a) told the attendees unabashedly; or (b), she didn't tell them; and I question whom amongst any of Lori, Tylee, or JJ would have had enough organic local friends at the time. (Plus, I think most people know the difference between joyous 6-year-olds, 17-year-olds, and/or 40somethings when they overhear them, even sight unseen.)

Also, either Chandler LE (1) didn't ask the neighbors about the pool party; (2) did ask the neighbors, but they were stressed to keep quiet about it. (I feel we've seen a generic sentence in a MSM report saying neighbors were interviewed and had nothing to add, other than the general previous statements that the pool party had been disturbingly raucous. I could be wrong.)

RSBM

I like your post a lot. If I want to be charitable to Chad (I don't really, but) I would include a variation on your second explanation. Or maybe it's the fourth possible explanation. Someone raised to believe deeply in the supernatural, or who has an unwavering belief in the supernatural because it feels right, will then have trouble distinguishing between his imagination and what's real. It's not really insanity and it's not really dishonesty as a teller of the tale. I've seen this many times in acquaintances.

How about #5 - narrator's desire to embellish to make a better story?

In my experience, either impulse could take over; and it could be pushed by impetuses either sacred or profane, in the "it's possible to be both sincere and yet be sincerely wrong" vein.
 
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Per the article, Chad was there on October 2. Good details for the reasoning on this.

Also, is this the first video proof we have of Chad and Lori together in Rexburg before Tammy’s death?

Enhanced video shows who visited Lori Daybell's storage unit the same day her relative was shot at in Arizona | East Idaho News

I just posted the same thing. I totally didn’t even realize this was before Tammy died. Proof of an affair maybe? Or at least enough proof for his kids to start questioning Chad? MOO
 
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