Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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I tend to agree with you on this. I also think that when he saw how much attention, publicity, and money could be had by selling supposed NDE's (as his published author JR was gaining) he decided to couch his own fictional books as having come from NDE's as well.

The only thing that gives me pause though is his move to Rexburg. What would cause him to pull up roots in Springville and persuade his family to move there of all places? This doesn't seem to make much sense unless he truly believed the call-out narrative (which claimed this area of Idaho, among other places, was supposedly a "safe place" to weather the last days calamities) and wanted to get ahead of the curve by relocating there. Unless perhaps he saw therein a marketable and vulnerable audience to prey upon since others from his group were moving there? I don't know.
What if Lori wasn’t his first dalliance? Is there a woman in Rexburg he had been associating with prior to moving his family there “for religious reasons”. Tigers don’t suddenly get their stripes in mid-life.
 
  • #862
I'm looking at the wording of this facebook post written by Tammy. First can anyone tell me what "freezer meals from Enrichment" is please?

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Tortoise, others have basically answered your question. But, as a former member of the LDS Church (and technically still a member), I can tell you specifically that Enrichment is the name given to a series of meetings of adult LDS women. The meetings are held regularly but not weekly and always during the week. Although all LDS meetings have a religious component--guaranteed, they would have started and ended with a prayer and the activity would have been explicitly tied to a religious principle--Enrichment is one of several meetings in which the activities themselves are focused more on teaching practical skills.

According to an official website of the LDS Church, "The purposes of [Enrichment] are to strengthen faith in Jesus Christ and to teach parenting and homemaking skills" (First Presidency Announces New Guidelines for Enrichment Meetings and Activities). Most of the time, these are skills that would be interesting to people outside the faith. Food prep, including making meals for freezing, would have been a very typical Enrichment activity.

Two things are interesting about this particular Enrichment meeting. The first is the overt "prepper" element. This is the kind of activity where mainstream LDS and preppers would have a common interest. The second is that only someone in Tammy's ward (congregation) would be likely to know when the meeting would have started and how long it was likely to run. So assuming the paintball gun shooter didn't turn up at the Daybell house at a random time and wasn't hanging out all evening, they would have to be, or at least have been briefed by, someone in the Daybell ward. In other words, Tammy's Facebook post is strong evidence that the paintball attack was an inside job.

MOO
 
  • #863
Interesting - I’ve been thinking about how much Kool-aid AxC had been drinking - it just doesn’t add up for me. I’m just not convinced he was a ‘believer’! Is he just doing Loris dirty work - What’s in it for him - the next life? I can’t see it.
MOO...
Keeping in mind that Lori and Alex grew up together. They have had a lifetime of each others brand of koolaid. Its very possible they are co-enablers from a very early age. They likely know secrets about the other that novody else knows and had a trust in eachother that many dont comprehend.
Maybe Lori was the sister who brought home her freinds for her brother to date and he was the brother that protected her from men who gave her unwanted attention. Maybe they both found sanctuary in one another in a dsyfunctional family unit. Theres so much that could of happened in their lives that glued them together and caused them to feed off the other. It may of been a codependency situtation that began during childhood.
I think we have not even scratched the surface of the psychological complexities at play in this circle.
 
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IMO no plea would be offered or entertained unless it was global, IOW addressing her involvement in the murders of the kids, CV, TD, and possibly JoeR and AxC. Yeah, they might give her life instead of the DP... IF she gives the location of the kids.
If the children are never found, the DP if off the table as well (IMO).
 
  • #866
In searching the Idaho Sentencing Database I could only find two cases with convictions where there was No Drug or Alcohol problem and no prior offenses for Non-Support/Desertion of Children. The results of such a query returns a status of PB - which leads me to believe it stands for probation - with one case resulting in 4 years and another in 10 years. Both cases are males convicted, i.e. no convictions of females under this charge.

You can run a query at this link:
Idaho Sentencing Information Database Query

If Lori were convicted, I think it is a crap-shoot as to how much time, if any, is in jail, since there isn't anything in the database to suggest the time she could receive other than probation despite the statute allowing for up to 14 years of imprisonment.

As a person with no prior criminal history I don't think she would get anything near the maximum and I don't think she would get hit with consecutive sentences.

The difference is those cases was that the children were not missing.
 
  • #867
I think it was a money thing. He got paid for the dirty work. Then, they exhumed TD. Could LV have told ZP to off him with the exhuming of TD's body? That had to of been a moment where they all were like - "Uh-Oh". Or, like many have said, did he kill himself?

I truly think that karma caught up. Had the kids not been missing, these past murders would have never been looked at again most likely. They uncovered a murder ring and I don't think LD thought that would ever happen.

If we assume/believe AxC was doing the dirty work for LVD....responsible for the deaths and attempted murders of the adults....how does that extend to the kids?

Usually there is a pattern and I have a hard time believing he could take the lives of the kids in the middle of everything else. For just the $? Seems off.

I can see being fed lies about Lori’s husbands and wanting to protect her, but that’s kinda where it ends for me...how does that extend to the kids (unless he was a true believer - was he?).
 
  • #868
Sorry, if this has already been discussed, still 10 pages behind... JMO, MB could miss visitation to pick-up her kids in case she thought that BB will be dead in few days and she will get them anyway. And no-show at custody hearing could also be a sign that she planned to get the kids in few days and take them away to "safe place" just as JJ and TR were taken away (that's why no fear of trespassing, kids' stuff on the curb etc) - planned to repeat LVD actions
That would seem to have been why BB said MBP knows where they are. But she denies knowing where they are. And in the likely event that the "safe place" is really some convoluted justification for murder... then MBP may have been unwittingly fooled into thinking there was such a place. And yet, like CD, there is public evidence that MBP was involved in criminal activity and hasn't yet been arrested. This case is truly bizarre in how long it takes to get people in custody. Every week and month that passes, I think, wow, there must be a lot of criminals in the western usa getting away with a lot more. People are posting about how LVD can beat the abandonment charges without producing children. Seriously? As if this case is about abandonment. Sure there is a lot of evidence to sift through, and that will snowball the charges, if the prosecution is competent. If the deaths all become murders, those cases need not be prosecuted at the same time. There can be back to back trials and incarcerations, that should keep LVD inside for life. Even if she is declared legally insane, no way she should set foot in society again. If the FBI thinks this is a huge network of criminal activity, you can't always get everyone. There are often people that are just involved on the fringes, it gets harder and harder to prove their link to the specific conspiracies around the deaths, attempted murders and missing children. I have seen nothing that extends murders, attempted murders or missing children from CD or other "cult" members, that is not directly tied to LVD. For example, I mean if other cult members have a similar pattern in their lives, its not been reported. So, on the wall where FBI puts up photos and draws lines, all I can see is LVD right in the middle. Next to the "queen, or self proclaimed god" is brother AxC (1 confirmed kill, 2 or 3 attempted murders, possibly tied to death of sister(MBP's mother) , 2 other "deaths" which are under investigation, other criminal activity, and then his own mystery death), then CD whose late wife's(TD) fresh corpse was recently exhumed while honeymooning in paradise with new wife LVD. Then MBP, the niece of LVD, who apparently decided to follow LVD as a role model. Then ZP, who as a more curious peripheral "member" marries AxC 2 weeks before his mystery death AND about the same time MBP marries IP in Vegas(not clear if IP is really in the "club" or just another unwitting mark).
Other Family cant be sleuthed, but appears they are estranged and not in the club anyway. BB, ex of MBP, literally dodged a bullet. He is clearly no longer in the club. More recent 2 of LVD's 4 previous husbands are dead(1 murdered by AxC). LVD's 2 children are missing, a few weeks apart for going on 6 months now.

So there appears to be a rapid decline in membership of this club. If there are any other members, missing or dead, please bring it to light. As for the doomsday authors/believers, unless they were involved, or were asked to be involved Criminally (Like MG was asked by CD and LVD to lie to LE about having JJ... Or those who heard CD "predict" TD's death) they don't seem to matter. If there are other deaths, life insurance collected, missing kids in that community it hasn't been reported. Therefore LVD's death/missing club marrying into CD's on/off life as gravedigger and hallucinatory end times profiteer appears to have created a new "cult" that morbidly has an immediate following of supporters (albeit Social Media).
 
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That would seem to have been why BB said MBP knows where they are. But she denies knowing where they are. And in the likely event that the "safe place" is really some convoluted justification for murder... then MBP may have been unwittingly fooled into thinking there was such a place. And yet, like CD, there is public evidence that MBP was involved in criminal activity and hasn't yet been arrested. This case is truly bizarre in how long it takes to get people in custody. Every week and month that passes, I think, wow, there must be a lot of criminals in the western usa getting away with a lot more. People are posting about how LVD can beat the abandonment charges without producing children. Seriously? As if this case is about abandonment. Sure there is a lot of evidence to sift through, and that will snowball the charges, if the prosecution is competent. If the deaths all become murders, those cases need not be prosecuted at the same time. There can be back to back trials and incarcerations, that should keep LVD inside for life. Even if she is declared legally insane, no way she should set foot in society again. If the FBI thinks this is a huge network of criminal activity, you can't always get everyone. There are often people that are just involved on the fringes, it gets harder and harder to prove their link to the specific conspiracies around the deaths, attempted murders and missing children. I have seen nothing that extends murders, attempted murders or missing children from CD or other "cult" members, that is not directly tied to LVD. For example, I mean if other cult members have a similar pattern in their lives, its not been reported. So, on the wall where FBI puts up photos and draws lines, all I can see is LVD right in the middle. Next to the "queen, or self proclaimed god" is brother AxC (1 confirmed kill, 2 or 3 attempted murders, possibly tied to death of sister(MBP's mother) , 2 other "deaths" which are under investigation, other criminal activity, and then his own mystery death), then CD whose late wife's(TD) fresh corpse was recently exhumed while honeymooning in paradise with new wife LVD. Then MBP, the niece of LVD, who apparently decided to follow LVD as a role model. Then ZP, who as a more curious peripheral "member" marries AxC 2 weeks before his mystery death AND about the same time MBP marries IP in Vegas(not clear if IP is really in the "club" or just another unwitting mark).
Other Family cant be sleuthed, but appears they are estranged and not in the club anyway. BB, ex of MBP, literally dodged a bullet. He is clearly no longer in the club. More recent 2 of LVD's 4 previous husbands are dead(1 murdered by AxC). LVD's 2 children are missing, a few weeks apart for going on 6 months now.

So there appears to be a rapid decline in membership of this club. It there are any other members, missing or dead, please bring it to light. As for the doomsday authors/believers, unless they were involved, or were asked to be involved Criminally (Like MG was asked by CD and LVD to lie to LE about having JJ... Or those who heard CD "predict" TD's death) they don't seem to matter. If there are other deaths, life insurance collected, missing kids in that community it hasn't been reported. Therefore LVD's death/missing club marrying into CD's on/off life as gravedigger and hallucinatory end times profiteer appears to have created a new "cult" that morbidly has an immediate following of supporters (albeit Social Media).


Well said!
That’s it in a nutshell!
 
  • #870
MOO...
Keeping in mind that Lori and Alex grew up together. They have had a lifetime of each others brand of koolaid. Its very possible they are co-enablers from a very early age. They likely know secrets about the other that novody else knows and had a trust in eachother that many dont comprehend.
Maybe Lori was the sister who brought home her freinds for her brother to date and he was the brother that protected her from men who gave her unwanted attention. Maybe they both found sanctuary in one another in a dsyfunctional family unit. Theres so much that could of happened in their lives that glued them together and caused them to feed off the other. It may of been a codependency situtation that began during childhood.
I think we have not even scratched the surface of the psychological complexities at play in this circle.
I am now curious to know how Lori reacted to his death. But, the only one who could help us understand that would likely be Chad and we have a lot of more interesting questions for him.
 
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If we assume/believe AxC was doing the dirty work for LVD....responsible for the deaths and attempted murders of the adults....how does that extend to the kids?

Usually there is a pattern and I have a hard time believing he could take the lives of the kids in the middle of everything else. For just the $? Seems off.

I can see being fed lies about Lori’s husbands and wanting to protect her, but that’s kinda where it ends for me...how does that extend to the kids (unless he was a true believer - was he?).
I think AxC was mostly a believer in Lori. Her personality disorders and the “charm” that goes with them likely had him wrapped around her little finger for decades. Sadly, I don’t believe he mattered much to her. Once someone is no longer useful or even perceived as a threat to her, it seems very easy for her to dismiss them from her life. Splitting is the term that comes to mind to explain this phenomenon.
 
  • #873
Tammy was exhumed early morning on the 11th Dec. I bet Chad knew straight away by text from one of the cemetery employees. They were in Hawaii so it would have been middle of the night for them but he would see it as soon as he was awake I guess. Alex died the next day on the 12th so there was plenty of time for Lori or Chad to text him about it on the 11th. Certainly a big coincidence anyway at the very least. MOO
I still think Alex was killed to cover up what happened to the kids and/or stop further investigation into CV’s death. And Tylee was disappeared because she knew what really happened when CV was shot. JJ was disappeared because he wouldn’t keep quiet about Tylee being gone. Or maybe because Tylee wasn’t around anymore to take care of him and Lori didn’t want the hassle of dealing with him anymore.
 
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If we assume/believe AxC was doing the dirty work for LVD....responsible for the deaths and attempted murders of the adults....how does that extend to the kids?

Usually there is a pattern and I have a hard time believing he could take the lives of the kids in the middle of everything else. For just the $? Seems off.

I can see being fed lies about Lori’s husbands and wanting to protect her, but that’s kinda where it ends for me...how does that extend to the kids (unless he was a true believer - was he?).
What I think you are asking:
1) Motive to kill or hide Children?
A: LVD discovered that she wasn't the life insurance beneficiary from CV's murder. He was on to her, but underestimated her. The beneficiary was apparently JJ's biological GP's. So it seems possible, that LVD retaliated by keeping JJ from them.
TR may have witnessed CV's murder and the argument which appears to be covered up. That gave leverage over LVD and that would have been intolerable. Another theory is that TR would be aware of the plans for JJ and objected. It appears TR was JJ's primary caretaker. So TR needed to be out of the way first.

2) If murdered, who did it and could AxC have been conned into that?
A: I think AxC may have been able to have done something with TR, or if LVD did it he may have helped cover it up. Later, I think LVD OD'd JJ... I think at this point that AxC realized it was over and probably OD'd himself. If he was poisoned it still might go down as suicide. But if it was suicide, it would be over the kids, however it went down.
 
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It was MG who does the podcasts and who they both asked to lie about having the kids, not MBP. MBP has nothing to do with the podcasts AFAIK. All three, LVD, CD and MG did podcasts in September 2019 that are no longer available to be played.

Here's a list of the ones they did in July, August and September 2019.
(Nb. They don't play any more )





3 Feel the Fire ~ Chad Daybell Sharing Jesus' Love
September 16, 2019
Emerging from a Spring and Summer break, Chad Daybell joins Lori and Melanie to share things he h...


2 Feel the Fire ~ What is a Baptism of Fire?
September 07, 2019
Following up on their first Feel the Fire Podcast, Melanie and Lori share what their "Baptism of ...




1 Feel the Fire ~ Seeking & Finding Sweet Jesus
August 22, 2019
Melanie Gibb & Lori Vallow team up sharing how some of the most extreme types of challenges helpe...


24 Time to Warrior Up~Redeeming Our Entrance into His Presence
July 02, 2019
It's GIRL'S DAY AWAY...Although we love our guys, they were on assignment and let the girls take ...
You are right! The Melanie I was referring to is the one with an e at the end of her name, not Melani the niece. I was mistaken about her last initial.

The women in the Cox clan change their lasts names so much I’m losing track ....
 
  • #876
Do you/we think "tonight" is just an expression for late in the afternoon, or actually means evening, given she is returning home with meals made at their gathering?

I'm pretty sure we've heard that she would have been returning home about 9 and that sundown that time of year is about 6:30, so it would have been dark although there is an outside light that would have lit the area around her driveway so it wouldn't have be completely dark there, hence the ability to see the "paintball" guy.
 
  • #877
I still think Alex was killed to cover up what happened to the kids and/or stop further investigation into CV’s death. And Tylee was disappeared because she knew what really happened when CV was shot. JJ was disappeared because he wouldn’t keep quiet about Tylee being gone. Or maybe because Tylee wasn’t around anymore to take care of him and Lori didn’t want the hassle of dealing with him anymore.
Agree, And I would add the anger at who got CV's life insurance. She called to collect right after his murder and found out she was removed as beneficiary... JJ's disappearance could also be punishment for that.
 
  • #878
If we assume/believe AxC was doing the dirty work for LVD....responsible for the deaths and attempted murders of the adults....how does that extend to the kids?

Usually there is a pattern and I have a hard time believing he could take the lives of the kids in the middle of everything else. For just the $? Seems off.

I can see being fed lies about Lori’s husbands and wanting to protect her, but that’s kinda where it ends for me...how does that extend to the kids (unless he was a true believer - was he?).
I believe Lori had him wrapped around her finger and he did as he was told. I don't think he was a mastermind by any means, but I think Lori ruled his life and he would do anything for her.
 
  • #879
What if Lori wasn’t his first dalliance? Is there a woman in Rexburg he had been associating with prior to moving his family there “for religious reasons”. Tigers don’t suddenly get their stripes in mid-life.
I am thinking JR when you say that. Her books took off and he was the first author apart from himself and Tammy that he published. Also, when did he take over the GRI newsletter for AVOW? He could also have moved to be closer to the AVOW owner. I wonder if Chad receives payment or a percentage of the subscriptions? He also got a job at an IF printing company. Not sure of the dates for these events. (Off to check the timeline). MOO

Missing Idaho Kids Case: Chad Daybell Calls Situation 'Legal Mess' He 'Will Be Back' From On End-Times Website

(This link mentions the GRI AVOW newsletter which members buy with an additional $4.95 monthly subscription )

JR book came out May 2014. Here is Chad's LinkedIn info. IF printing job was 2016 onwards.


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If we assume/believe AxC was doing the dirty work for LVD....responsible for the deaths and attempted murders of the adults....how does that extend to the kids?

Usually there is a pattern and I have a hard time believing he could take the lives of the kids in the middle of everything else. For just the $? Seems off.

I can see being fed lies about Lori’s husbands and wanting to protect her, but that’s kinda where it ends for me...how does that extend to the kids (unless he was a true believer - was he?).
Latest reports say that Alex might have been connected to Tammy's death, not to mention the murder attempt on Brandon. Tammy wasn't a threat to anyone. I think Lori's crazy talk rubbed on Alex, especially if Chad was on the same page (or even the head of the cult). Would Alex get married if it wasn't part of the cult strategy?
 
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